Proposed Trade Idea: The Ultimate Offseason Move for the Kings

[NoBonus]

Here is my idea for the Ultimate Offseason Move for the Kings:

Trade: No one, nowhere for nobody. The Kings have lots of prospects and developing talent... let's let them develop! This team needs consistency and time.

Tyreke doesn't need to be traded, he needs to be not traded.

 

[pshn80]

Sort of agree. We'll have two new players in a couple of weeks. It that doesn't do it we can always te=weak it a little.

 

[Bricklayer]

Got two holes that need filling: starting SF and shotblocking big. Have only 1 high draft pick to cover both of those. If we could fill the other via FA, then sure. That's assuming of course we don't LOSE guys via free agency as we did last year. Any stand pat strategy has to involve bringing back JT and TWill.

I am less averse than 1 might think to running out:

C- Cousins
PF- shotblocker from draft, Drummond?
3rd big- JT

SF- TWill

SG-Thornton
PG- Evans
3rd guard- IT

8th-Salmons
9th-Hayes
10th-Cisco
11-Whiteside
12- Outlaw
13-Honeycutt


relying on Evans and TWill together to equal one dynamic PG type presence, Thornton to shoot, and TWill and the shotblcoker to stiffen the defense. But a) while the above appears viable to me, it does not mean its the best we could do, its still young and lacking in leadership; and b) I have absolutely no confidence in our coaching staff to play it correctly. We might have to trick the 8th to 13th players on our roster into a small plane, and then ditch it over Antartica to keep Smart from screwing it up and muddling it with random junk.

Remember too that Petrie when the offseaosn began said publicly that he was looking for two things -- rim protection and shooting. Standing pat and just drafting a kid = can only fill one of those holes. And franklly unless the shooter is also good enough to start at SF, and unless defense materializes from thin air, not sure you can fill those holes just while standing largely pat. Have too many players under contract anyway.

 

[Hallama]

Whatever happens, I don't think the Kings will be a playoff contender until they find a way to have Thorton become their 6th man. They need a strong scorer off the bench. I'm not counting on Jimmer at this point, but would be very happy if he blossoms.

If the Kings take Drummond or Henson, it might be better to go after Ersan Ill to start alongside of Cousins for better balance. You bring in a young shot blocker early - maybe even Whiteside - if the Kings are getting hammered in the paint.

I guess Jimmer is #14 on your depth chart?

 

[Bricklayer]

Whatever happens, I don't think the Kings will be a playoff contender until they find a way to have Thorton become their 6th man. They need a strong scorer off the bench. I'm not counting on Jimmer at this point, but would be very happy if he blossoms.

If the Kings take Drummond or Henson, it might be better to go after Ersan Ill to start alongside of Cousins for better balance. You bring in a young shot blocker early - maybe even Whiteside - if the Kings are getting hammered in the paint.

I guess Jimmer is #14 on your depth chart?

Its easy to forget him.

Seriously, I will wait to see if he has taken dramatic steps forward as a ballhandler and defender, but I think people still counting on him are still invested in the college hype. Adn with Reke/Thronton/IT in town, unless we either run Reke at SF again, which will result pretty quickly in him being traded, either at hsi demand or ours, or trade one of those guys, Jimmer has no place even if he were all that. Especially nto with Salmons, hopefully (and I do hop ehere) TWill etc. running about as well. If Reke/Thornton/IT are the guards there might be 10min a game there for Jimmer.

 

[Hallama]

Its easy to forget him.

Seriously, I will wait to see if he has taken dramatic steps forward as a ballhandler and defender, but I think people still counting on him are still invested in the college hype. Adn with Reke/Thronton/IT in town, unless we either run Reke at SF again, which will result pretty quickly in him being traded, either at hsi demand or ours, or trade one of those guys, Jimmer has no place even if he were all that. Especially nto with Salmons, hopefully (and I do hop ehere) TWill etc. running about as well. If Reke/Thornton/IT are the guards there might be 10min a game there for Jimmer.

I could see the Kings trying to go with a lineup like this, if they draft MKG and sign Ersan Ill:

PG: Jimmer
SG: Tyreke
SF: MKG
PF: Ersan
C: Cuz

That lineup can hide a little bit of Jimmer's weakness on D. A good rebounding starting lineup, and would allow Thorton, IT, TWill (hopefully), JT (hopefully) to come off the bench. Whiteside is the emergency oh-****-we-forgot-that-we-need-a-shot-blocker dude off the bench.

Problem is, it won't work in the long run - still too much youth in the starting lineup. And you know Smart will try and force too many Chuckwagon minutes somewhere in the mix.

 

[Hallama]

^^^ OK, rereading my post above, I really don't like that solution. :lol

I'm going all in on Drummond, to possibly create the scariest frontline in basketball. If Brooklyn goes all-in after Ersan Ill (plus trying to resign Wallace or DWill) then AK47 should come into play again. I'm also using amnesty of Salmons and going after either Andre Miller or Billups.

PG: Billups
SG: Tyreke
SF: AK47
PF: Drummond - most likely JT if resigned will start.
C: Cousins

Bench: TWill, Thorton, IT, Chuck, Whiteside

 

[TTown Kings]

AK47 won't sign here. That's a pipedream. Realistically I agree with Brick. Draft a shotblocking big at 5 and start TWill at the 3. Starting guards being either IT and Reke with MT off the bench or Reke and MT with IT coming off the bench.

Other scenario, draft a 3 with the #5 and re-sign and start JT. Same type of guard rotation.

I just don't see us signing a starting caliber SF.

 

[TTown Kings]

MKG will also most likey be unavailable unless we move up and no way in hell the Maloofs amnesty Salmons.

Sorry to burst your bubble, just trying to think in realistic terms here. We do have the worst owners in basketball and they will approach the offseason as such

 

[Hallama]

MKG will also most likey be unavailable unless we move up and no way in hell the Maloofs amnesty Salmons.

Sorry to burst your bubble, just trying to think in realistic terms here. We do have the worst owners in basketball and they will approach the offseason as such

Don't worry, no bubbles burst here. I think the Kings will have a shot at AK47, especially if Brooklyn goes after other FA's + their own FA's first.

Totally agree Petrie will have his hands tied with the Maloof's situation, and will probably end up making some stupid financial saving moves in conjunction with this draft.

 

[funkykingston]

While I think you deal any player for the right price, I'm not gung ho on trading Tyreke. But standing pat doesn't seem like the best idea either. Reason being, I don't see a player available at the fifth pick that drastically improves this team. Or the Maloofs spending money in free agency.

There's a reason why OKC is everyone's favorite example of how to rebuild a team. They are up 1-0 in the NBA finals with a core of players 23 or younger and a great supporting cast. Plus they're in the bottom half of team salaries with no bad contracts. They'll need to extend Westbrook this year and will have Harden and Ibaka to deal with next year but they have the chance to keep the team mostly intact for a long time.

Part of that was drafting the best player available and not worrying about fit. They took James Harden giving them a glut of talented wings with Sefolosha, Green, & Durant. But doing so let them deal Green for Kendrick Perkins which firmed up their interior defense and rebounding.

Point being, the Kings don't HAVE to make a trade this offseason, but at some point they will. You can't just keep accumulating draft picks and rolling the ball out there waiting to win games. If you accumulate a bunch of young talent at some point you have to deal some of it to fill needs. Which is MUCH better than trying to draft to fill needs since you can get a proven commodity that you can have a reasonable expectation of providing what the team needs rather than hoping that one day a young kid will grow to be that player.

At some point this team WILL have to start wheeling and dealing to really round out the roster.

 

[hiero]

Here is my idea for the Ultimate Offseason Move for the Kings:

Trade: No one, nowhere for nobody. The Kings have lots of prospects and developing talent... let's let them develop! This team needs consistency and time.

Tyreke doesn't need to be traded, he needs to be not traded.

I agree, but what is your vision for tyreke and for the team?? we can't play him at the 3, curious to see your opinions on this

 

[hiero]

Its easy to forget him.

Seriously, I will wait to see if he has taken dramatic steps forward as a ballhandler and defender, but I think people still counting on him are still invested in the college hype. Adn with Reke/Thronton/IT in town, unless we either run Reke at SF again, which will result pretty quickly in him being traded, either at hsi demand or ours, or trade one of those guys, Jimmer has no place even if he were all that. Especially nto with Salmons, hopefully (and I do hop ehere) TWill etc. running about as well. If Reke/Thornton/IT are the guards there might be 10min a game there for Jimmer.

I agree, Rekes best shot in the league at being a star is the 1/pg/main ballhandler whatever you want to call it. If were going to succeed we need Reke at PG being a dominant player. he's most likely never going to be good enough at shooting to play SG and he's not an sf at all. this past year was weird but I actually thought he had good vision and passing his first year. if were not going to play him at pg, then we need to trade him for iguodala or rudy gay or Danny granger or someone. maybe the #6 for Barnes or Lillard. If it were up to me it'd be.

1) Evans
2) Thornton
3) T-Will (secondary ballhandler)
4) Drummond
5) Cousins
6th man JT
Isaiah 2nd team pg
trade jimmer for a late 1st grab someone who belongs in the NBA is a SF and can shoot from range.

or:

1) Evans
2) Twill
3) Barnes
4) JT/hopefully increased role for whiteside
5) Cousins
6th man Thornton

or
1) Isaiah
2) Jeremy Lamb
3) Granger/Iguodala/Rudy Gay
4) Drummond
5) Cousins

trade tyreke and Thornton

 

[roasthawg]

Trades never seem to workout unless you're trading draftpicks for an established star. Tyreke's name keeps getting mentioned but guaranteed we won't get near enough in return for him as he's still a work in progress. We need all the upside we can get.. keep our guys and hope for the best.

 

[hrdboild]

Clearly we need to get better defensively and some of that needs to come from the coaching staff, but I don't think you can bring back the same team that was near the bottom of the league in just about every defensive metric and expect big improvement. Moving Tyreke back to PG should have an impact defensively but I don't think we currently have a defensive stopper on the wing or an interior defender of the caliber that we need on our roster. Whiteside and Williams have potential but they haven't proven themselves in those roles yet. There are possibilities in the draft this year if things fall right to pick up either one of those players but most likely we need to be targeting somebody either a FA (and there aren't a lot of desirable options there) or someone on the trading block that will help address our defensive problems.

Other than that, probably the added familiarity of these young guys playing together another year will help to tighten up the offensive execution. Better defined roles would go a long way as well. If the plan is to mostly stick with what we have and augment it, I'd be strongly in favor of trying TWill at SG with Thornton off the bench. I just don't see Thornton and Evans making each other better offensively whereas getting a second playmaker in the backcourt (particularly one who won't need a lot of shots himself) will probably help to find better shots for everybody. Not to mention, having plus defenders at both backcourt spots gives you a lot more options in filling the SF position (and I still think we need a defensive stopper there regardless -- but we'd at least buy ourselves some time to find that right player by improving our backcourt immediately).

 

[Prince_XY]

I agree, Rekes best shot in the league at being a star is the 1/pg/main ballhandler whatever you want to call it. If were going to succeed we need Reke at PG being a dominant player. he's most likely never going to be good enough at shooting to play SG and he's not an sf at all. this past year was weird but I actually thought he had good vision and passing his first year. if were not going to play him at pg, then we need to trade him for iguodala or rudy gay or Danny granger or someone. maybe the #6 for Barnes or Lillard. If it were up to me it'd be.

1) Evans
2) Thornton
3) T-Will (secondary ballhandler)
4) Drummond
5) Cousins
6th man JT
Isaiah 2nd team pg
trade jimmer for a late 1st grab someone who belongs in the NBA is a SF and can shoot from range.

or:

1) Evans
2) Twill
3) Barnes
4) JT/hopefully increased role for whiteside
5) Cousins
6th man Thornton

or
1) Isaiah
2) Jeremy Lamb
3) Granger/Iguodala/Rudy Gay
4) Drummond
5) Cousins

trade tyreke and Thornton

IMO, one of first two options will most likely happen and I like it.

The third one would be a disaster. It seems going back to playing midget ball with IT as starting PG and a 6' 4" rookie as SG. It will also look like we're back to the very first step of rebuilding replacing Evans with the rookie Lamb. The cycle of never-ending building and rebuilding should stop because Evans and Cousins are adequate enough to bring us to the promise land if we surround them with the right role players.

 

[Kingster]

It's almost a foregone conclusions there are going to be trades. Reynolds said as much late last year. The 3 position just begs for a trade (and I guess I'd include amnesty as a "trade" in all this). The bench begs for trades/FA/amnesty in order to make some order out of it. Petrie is working with Tyreke on his shot so I'd say he's going to have an excellent vantage point to assess the probability of Tyreke getting a jump shot in the near future. That's an entirely open question at this point. Clearly, roles have to be defined on this team, and if Kings management doesn't think a guy can live with his role, he should be gone.

 

[roasthawg]

Its easy to forget him.

Seriously, I will wait to see if he has taken dramatic steps forward as a ballhandler and defender, but I think people still counting on him are still invested in the college hype. Adn with Reke/Thronton/IT in town, unless we either run Reke at SF again, which will result pretty quickly in him being traded, either at hsi demand or ours, or trade one of those guys, Jimmer has no place even if he were all that. Especially nto with Salmons, hopefully (and I do hop ehere) TWill etc. running about as well. If Reke/Thornton/IT are the guards there might be 10min a game there for Jimmer.

I'm expecting big improvements from Jimmer this year. JJ Redick took a couple of years to figure out his role in the nba and now he's a valuable bench guy. Jimmer should be able to do the same... lord knows we need his shooting.

The other guy I'm expecting/hoping to breakout is Whiteside. If the fifth pick, Jimmer, and Whiteside all contribute this year we might be sitting pretty.

 

[pshn80]

Brick, I like your thoughts on using the existing roster. I wish I had your faith that Tyreke would work as PG. He has played it a lot with us but I continue to see that he has a huge learning proces to go through to get to bringing the ball up onslow break which is about half the time. You must have a vision but I can't yet see it. Willing to try it again, though.

 

[SacKings7]

Here is my idea for the Ultimate Offseason Move for the Kings:

Trade: No one, nowhere for nobody. The Kings have lots of prospects and developing talent... let's let them develop! This team needs consistency and time.

Tyreke doesn't need to be traded, he needs to be not traded.

I'm all for this, although we do need to fill a hole or 2. Our biggest problem IMO is the coach. Stop the coaching carousel and get an available, NBA proven coach not named D'Antoni and let him work with this team for a couple of years. I think that would help improve our record more than adding a role-playing SF

 

[DesertFox]

Trade Salmons for Hedo straight up. Then you can give Evans a secondary ball handler (who doesn't take shots) and can spot up for 3's. Some size too.
Also keeps TWill on the bench for ballhandling.
The Magic save some cash, especially with Salmons contract decreasing every year.

Not really a huge improvement on either side, but a shakeup for two teams and players that need one.

And god forbid Smart keeps going small ball, at least Hedo looks like a 4 more than Salmons/Garcia.