Please Stay Ron.. Sacramento needs you.. The Kings needs you

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This is a thread devoted to the Artest fans that would like to see Ron-Ron Back on the squad next year and possibly multiple years after next.

93 till Infinity has been our best player this year, most nights on both sides of the floor. Now you cant say that about alot of SF players... I can think of Kobe & Lebron... and Ron Ron is better then Lebron defensivly.
Ron is the Kings star... possible allstar next year.. His defensive entensity and energy cannot be matched ... we all saw what happend in minny without ron... a terrible team scored on us at will, if ron was there it would of been a different story for maccants and gomes.

So ill get to my point... Please stay ron, we love you here!
we love your heart hustle energy and determination towards any game you play. And I think bein on the Kings squad is the best scenario for you to become the star you want to and to have a chance at a championship.
You got a borderline allstar in Martin backin you up... you got a stud center in Hawes maturing very fast for a 19 year old (he is really resembling vlade).
You got a bench with sick players, tha doubster, salmons, Garcia, Shelden, Mikki. You got the point guard to get you your open looks in Beno who should be ressigned this offseason. And you have three draft picks one a 1st round (which could turn into a stud PF, Or Stud PG) to help our championship run. THen we got two more 2nd rounders and this is where tha boss man comes in and does his magic and drafts some steals for us in the second round..
IF YOUR reading this RONNIE our team is shaping into a playoff contender very very fast,most likely next year. but we have to make sure one piece is always there and that is you RON ARTEST lead this team. You have superstar potential I've seen glimpses of pure greatness from you in games. You have to harnass that potential and bring the kings home what they deserve but we need you around ronnie... we need you around.
 
I want to hear positive comments for ron in this thread save the other comments for "Ron is going to walk thread"
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Ron is a fighter, he's a scorer and a defender, the complete package at SF - I can't think of many better small forwards out there.

All the issues people accuse him of haven't even materialized during his stay with the Kings, it's basically waiting for something to happen in order to say "see, I was right about him, he's a nutcase" type of comments.

I only wish there were as many players with his hussle and desire to win.
 
When he does show up to play, he brings forth a good effort. That much is true.
 
I have never heard a single Kings player say a negative thing about Ron Artest (some might say it's because they wanted to keep all their teeth:eek:). Recently, Coach Theus said Ron-Ron was NOT a constant distraction. The Maloof's are known to LOVE his heart, hustle and determination to win an NBA championship. Of course, they loved Mike Bibby too up until the last couple of years when he started declining. I've never heard Geoff Petrie utter a negative word about #93 except to call him one of the best two-way players in the league and one of the Kings top 3 players (top 2 now since comment made when Bibby was here). No question Artest has baggage, but a lot of the worst of it is rather stale at this point. He seems to be slowly maturing in his late 20's. I tend to like the idea of re-signing Artest because just having him around to guard and potentially lock down other teams top player makes him worth a ton. If he opts out, that's just $8 mil plus that drops off the Kings cap to use for other talent out there. If GP swings a sign and trade at least he gets something for the big-time talent Ron is. But finding another defensive terror like Ron Artest is... is... well... IMPOSSIBLE!
 
OptimusRhyme said:
I want to hear positive comments for ron in this thread save the other comments for "Ron is going to walk thread"
Thanks
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Oh please. You make a request like that and yet, when you go to the "Ron will walk" thread, you see YOUR comments in rebuttal?

If you wanted to send a real message to Ron, you'd make this a poll. "Do you want Ron to stay or go?" and just have two options - YES or NO. I think that would be much more telling.
 
I love Ron Artest. He is undoubtedly the most talented player on the Kings. Even with all of the "baggage" he brings Ron, IMO, is a top 20 player in the league. That being said, even with all Artest brings to the table we are no better than a .500 team as currently assembled. In order for Ron and the Kings to move forward they will need to part ways. (Hopefully through a sign and trade)
 
VF21 said:
Oh please. You make a request like that and yet, when you go to the "Ron will walk" thread, you see YOUR comments in rebuttal?

If you wanted to send a real message to Ron, you'd make this a poll. "Do you want Ron to stay or go?" and just have two options - YES or NO. I think that would be much more telling.
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ok. do you think you coould add a poll for me because im not too familiar with this. thanks a bunch
 
Ron is the man. Its no secret on this forum that I am a fan. The only thing Ron needs to work on is team play. Ease up on the one on ones man and focus on defense.
 
The team loses any chemistry it has with Ron in the lineup. Let him walk.
 
To me personaly, this whole Ron Artest thing has become borrrrrrrring. He'll either be here, or he won't, and this thread praising him, or a thread abusing him aren't going to make any difference.
 
I like the way Ron played yesterday, especially since he set the tone early for us on the defensive end in causing the Lakers to turn the ball over more than they have in recent games. He also was solid offensively, particularly in the first half.

That having been said, there is no place for Ron on this team in the long term. Sorry to have to say it, but the guy doesn't fit on a team that needs to take a couple three years to strip down and rebuild. Especially in light of his recent comments about the coaching staff, comments that cost him $5,000. This on the heels of him missing two games that the coaches were apparently not aware he was going to miss.

Ron wants to play for a contender, and until he does, he won't be happy and satisfied. We won't be a contender for quite some time, and an unhappy, dissatisfied Ron Artest is bad news. Especially for a delicate, young team looking to gel and improve.

Vote NO on Prop 93.
 
Superman said:
Ron wants to play for a contender, and until he does, he won't be happy and satisfied. We won't be a contender for quite some time, and an unhappy, dissatisfied Ron Artest is bad news. Especially for a delicate, young team looking to gel and improve.

Vote NO on Prop 93.
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Why does it seem like everyone wants to tell us what Ron is thinking? How do you know Ron won't be happy on the Kings? He says he's not happy losing, he says he wants to keep competing because there's still a slim chance to make the playoffs. Isn't that what you'd want to hear from a franchise player? Do you want them saying they're just going to mail it in the rest of the year because the games don't matter anyway? We might be a few seasons away from competing again, but without Ron Artest we'd be even further away from competing. For all his faults (some of them real, some of them imaginary) -- he is absolutely a player that you want on a championship team.

Before Ron Artest was a King I thought he was a hard-nosed player who's capable of dominating the game on any given night. The type of player you'd be proud to root for. Now that he's played for the Kings for a couple of seasons, I feel like I have a personal interest in seeing him succeed. A lot of fans here seem to think that Ron is too big of a distraction to keep him on the team -- they'd prefer he was someone else's "problem". Ultimately he's going to do whatever is best for him, that probably is going to have a lot to do with the attitude of the Kings front office and what they believe is best for the future of this team. I don't know what Petrie or the Maloofs or Coach Theus are thinking, but I like watching Ron play and I'd like to see his story end in redemption, with a championship -- and I'd like to see that happen in Sacramento because then, in some small way, I'd feel like I was a part of it.

This is maybe getting off topic, but it's related for me so I thought I'd bring it up. I don't know how many of you follow baseball, but Milton Bradley is a player with a similar reputation as a trouble-maker and he became one of my favorite players of all-time in his short time with the A's. I was crushed when he was traded. I almost felt like I couldn't be a fan anymore. Part of rooting for a team is learning about the players and all their personal storylines. So when you watch the game you know if they're coming off a career game or facing somebody they don't like or trying to break out of a slump. That's the fun part for me. And when it's a player that it seems like most everyone is rooting for them to fail, it's that much sweeter seeing them defy expectations and thrive.

I'm a little selfish in that I want us to lose games so we can have a better draft pick and bring in a great young player. Losing games might not be in the best interest of the team, but I hate seeing all those other guys draft players that I really like year after year and take them to some other team where I'll hardly ever get to see them play. That's my own selfishness, but I can't blame the players for wanting to win and I can't blame them for being disappointed when they don't. Nobody likes to lose. I don't know how much longer Ron Artest will be a King, but I've enjoyed watching him as long as he's been here and I hope he survives the rebuild process because he's still I player that I feel proud to root for.
 
To everyone who is hating on Artest please consider this. We would stink up the gym just about every game without him. He has bailed us out of so many games.

We need Ron Artest!
 
upinsmoke said:
To everyone who is hating on Artest please consider this. We would stink up the gym just about every game without him. He has bailed us out of so many games.

We need Ron Artest!
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no we don't.


why the hell is this ugly *** car under my name?
 
hrdboild said:
Why does it seem like everyone wants to tell us what Ron is thinking? How do you know Ron won't be happy on the Kings?
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Didn't Ron Artest himself say that he wants to win a championship, that that's the most important thing to him? I'm not putting words in his mouth. I'm not guessing at what he wants and what he's thinking. I'm assuming -- and this might be a stretch because of who we're talking about -- that he feels very strongly about playing for a team with a chance at contending for a championship, because that's what he said. Now he may not have meant it, but I'm not telling you what he's thinking. He already did that.

Secondly, I am also assuming that he won't be happy on the Kings because we are not in position to contend for a championship, and barring some extremely fortuitous changes in circumstances, we won't be contending for at least three seasons, realistically speaking.

I fail to see how it requires that great a leap of faith to say that he'd be neither happy nor satisfied playing for a team that struggles to win 35 games a year and finishes at the bottom of the division ... three years in a row. And considering the fact that Ron is not the most emotionally and mentally stable person in the NBA, I think it's reasonable to conclude that he would at least contribute to, if not directly cause, some tension in the locker room and with the coaches if he is unhappy with the state his team is in.

This is a player that has threatened to retire, asked for time off to promote his music label, been in domestic disputes, had trouble with the law, etc., all within the past three or four years. Just last week, he had a spat with the head coach.

I know it seems like I hate Ron Artest. I don't. I appreciate what he brings to the court as a player. I can even appreciate that he's often misunderstood and prejudged because of the brawl and some of the other things he's done, even some of the things I mentioned previously. Artest is probably one of the best two-way players in the NBA, quite honestly. If we were on the verge, just a piece or two away from being able to compete with the top teams in the NBA, I would love to see management find a way to incorporate Ron into our long-term plans.

We are not on the verge. We are in a very delicate position as a team, what with the youth, the cap situation and the rookie head coach. I don't think it wise to include a player as volatile and unpredictable as Ron Artest in your long term plans. Especially if that means signing him to a multi-year contract.
 
In this forum, I read a lot of people's discontent over Artest, which is fine because everyone has their own opinion and I respect that. However, in regards to basketball, Artest is a great defender and can is capable of scoring a substantial amount of points. I think the Kings should keep him around and get some better players than what's already there. There is so much potential for the Kings to be a legitimate 2nd round playoff team with all the FA's available in the off-season. If the Kings keep Artest or if he decides to stay, put him with someone like Brand or Okafor and the results might be pretty good. It's up to Kings management to create a team that can complement the good players on this team and if the Maloofs care about the Kings, they need to let Petrie sign some good FA's and if Artest stays, the team might be great.
 
Superman said:
This is a player that has threatened to retire, asked for time off to promote his music label, been in domestic disputes, had trouble with the law, etc., all within the past three or four years. Just last week, he had a spat with the head coach.
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With all due respect, I hear this line over and over and over when justifying why Ron Artest must go NOW and should have never been brought to Sactown in the first place. It's okay, because it's mainly group think, but I see it as almost as childish as Artest sometimes appears. If this is the best you (and other Artest critics) can come up with no wonder Coach Theus felt it necessary to say loud and clear recently that Ron Artest "HAS NOT BEEN A CONSTANT DISTRACTION ."

All the things you bring up are relatively trivial in the big picture of a long NBA season - not to be ignored - but not endlessly condemned and nailed to the cross over. The lone really major event, the brawl in Auburn Hills, Michigan is ANCIENT HISTORY and he paid the biggest penalty in NBA history for it - with lesser sanction to Stephen Jackson, Jermaine O'Neal, etc. The rest of the laundry list of relatively insignificant Artest "crimes" are really not worth comment at all, IMO. You could have added some others, like his wanting to work at Circuit City to get company discounts, stiffing Pacers Coach Carlisle a few times by not showing up to practice or showing up once wearing his bath robe. To some these seem quirky, to others worthy of immediate league suspension and heavy fines. Coach Theus thought recent comments by Artest were detrimental to the Kings and fined him $5,000 or equivalent to $35 for a person making $50,000 annual vs. Artest's current salary. Earlier Theus fined Mikki Moore and John Salmons similar amounts for similar indiscretions.

Remember the lovely and incredibly talented Dennis Rodman? He had very similar personal scandals and assorted run-ins with this or that authority figure all the while winning NBA championship after NBA championship. Michael Jordan when asked about Rodman once said, "what the hell is there for me to worry about, that he'll (Rodman) show up wearing the championship ring in his nose?"

I'm not sure I want Artest here next season (since re-building is now the push) but, I'm extremely grateful that he lived up to his own hype when he first arrived in town. He told the world the Sacramento Kings would make the playoffs when absolutely no one believed him - probably not even Kings Coach Adelman. He pulled it off with dogged determination and some star will power (plus a nice assist from disciple Bonzi). He then helped push #1 seed San Antonio to 6 games in what Coach Pop later said was such a bruising series it may have hastened their eventual demise in the WC finals.

Artest has not been perfect as a King, but I'm very happy overall with what he's brought to the court as a superior, often devastating two-way player. Not a Kobe, not a LeBron, just a RonRon - and that's been plenty good, plenty fun to watch over the past three seasons.
 
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upinsmoke said:
To everyone who is hating on Artest please consider this. We would stink up the gym just about every game without him. He has bailed us out of so many games.

We need Ron Artest!
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Actually, I prefer the Kings losing more games than staying mediocre.

What is 30-35 wins going to do for the Kings? Playoff? No. High draft pick? No.
 
Very well stated.
PurpleHaze said:
With all due respect, I hear this line over and over and over when justifying why Ron Artest must go NOW and should have never been brought to Sactown in the first place. It's okay, because it's mainly group think, but I see it as almost as childish as Artest sometimes appears. If this is the best you (and other Artest critics) can come up with no wonder Coach Theus felt it necessary to say loud and clear recently that Ron Artest "HAS NOT BEEN A CONSTANT DISTRACTION ."

All the things you bring up are relatively trivial in the big picture of a long NBA season - not to be ignored - but not endlessly condemned and nailed to the cross over. The lone really major event, the brawl in Auburn Hills, Michigan is ANCIENT HISTORY and he paid the biggest penalty in NBA history for it - with lesser sanction to Stephen Jackson, Jermaine O'Neal, etc. The rest of the laundry list of relatively insignificant Artest "crimes" are really not worth comment at all, IMO. You could have added some others, like his wanting to work at Circuit City to get company discounts, stiffing Pacers Coach Carlisle a few times by not showing up to practice or showing up once wearing his bath robe. To some these seem quirky, to others worthy of immediate league suspension and heavy fines. Coach Theus thought recent comments by Artest were detrimental to the Kings and fined him $5,000 or equivalent to $35 for a person making $50,000 annual vs. Artest's current salary. Earlier Theus fined Mikki Moore and John Salmons similar amounts for similar indiscretions.

Remember the lovely and incredibly talented Dennis Rodman? He had very similar personal scandals and assorted run-ins with this or that authority figure all the while winning NBA championship after NBA championship. Michael Jordan when asked about Rodman once said, "what the hell is there for me to worry about, that he'll (Rodman) show up wearing the championship ring in his nose?"

I'm not sure I want Artest here next season (since re-building is now the push) but, I'm extremely grateful that he lived up to his own hype when he first arrived in town. He told the world the Sacramento Kings would make the playoffs when absolutely no one believed him - probably not even Kings Coach Adelman. He pulled it off with dogged determination and some star will power (plus a nice assist from disciple Bonzi). He then helped push #1 seed San Antonio to 6 games in what Coach Pop later said was such a bruising series it may have hastened their eventual demise in the WC finals.

Artest has not been perfect as a King, but I'm very happy overall with what he's brought to the court as a superior, often devastating two-way player. Not a Kobe, not a LeBron, just a RonRon - and that's been plenty good, plenty fun to watch over the past three seasons.
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PurpleHaze said:
If this is the best you (and other Artest critics) can come up with no wonder Coach Theus felt it necessary to say loud and clear recently that Ron Artest "HAS NOT BEEN A CONSTANT DISTRACTION ."
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With all due respect, what else is he going to say?

They have been trying to trade him. Publically stating what the rest of the league already knows doesn't do any good in the quest to get rid of Ron.

Why do you think Ron is still here? Because nobody in the league thinks he's worth giving anything up for. A few teams want him, but not bad enough to part with anything of substance other than an ender and low first round pick. Why do you think that is? If he has all this talent (and he does - he can be a phenomenal player when he plays within the team's offense), why isn't he in more demand? It has to be the havoc he causes off the court (both known and unknown to us) including deciding not to play in games at the last minute, choosing which games to play in, etc.

You can't write it off like it's nothing because it isn't.
 
PurpleHaze said:
With all due respect, I hear this line over and over and over when justifying why Ron Artest must go NOW and should have never been brought to Sactown in the first place. It's okay, because it's mainly group think, but I see it as almost as childish as Artest sometimes appears. If this is the best you (and other Artest critics) can come up with no wonder Coach Theus felt it necessary to say loud and clear recently that Ron Artest "HAS NOT BEEN A CONSTANT DISTRACTION ."
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I think you misunderstand my stance, so I'll clarify:

I am not of the opinion that Ron Artest has to be traded or cut simply because he has a big personality. I think that this team is at a crossroads, and since Ron Artest's contract is expiring soon (either this summer or next, depending on how he feels in June), we have to decide whether or not to keep him around.

I don't think that we can afford to keep him, based on his expressed desire to win a championship and the fact that he will likely command a significant pay raise. Couple that with the fact that we need to be rebuilding, bringing in young players and shedding salary, and there's just no room for him.

After I consider those things, his record as a "different" player comes into consideration. And it's worth taking note of, I think.

All the things you bring up are relatively trivial in the big picture of a long NBA season - not to be ignored - but not endlessly condemned and nailed to the cross over. The lone really major event, the brawl in Auburn Hills, Michigan is ANCIENT HISTORY and he paid the biggest penalty in NBA history for it - with lesser sanction to Stephen Jackson, Jermaine O'Neal, etc. The rest of the laundry list of relatively insignificant Artest "crimes" are really not worth comment at all, IMO. You could have added some others, like his wanting to work at Circuit City to get company discounts, stiffing Pacers Coach Carlisle a few times by not showing up to practice or showing up once wearing his bath robe. To some these seem quirky, to others worthy of immediate league suspension and heavy fines. Coach Theus thought recent comments by Artest were detrimental to the Kings and fined him $5,000 or equivalent to $35 for a person making $50,000 annual vs. Artest's current salary. Earlier Theus fined Mikki Moore and John Salmons similar amounts for similar indiscretions.
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You don't look at Ron Artest incident by incident. That's like putting a puzzle together and only looking at each piece by itself. Each incident is a part of the big picture, and it's clear that Ron Artest's big picture isn't what anyone would call a portrait of stability.

So while you're right that those missteps are relatively minor and even trivial in the grand scheme of things, when you realize that it's been one after the other for several seasons now, you begin to see that there's definitely reason to be concerned about Artest's likelihood to have a detrimental effect on a team. Especially a young team with a relatively inexperienced head coach.

Regarding the value of the fine, the proportions are irrelevant. Any fine is meant to send a message: shape up, or else.

I HATE getting street sweeping tickets. They are only forty bucks or so, but it's just the thought that I have to send some of my hard-earned money to the city because I forgot to move my car that churns my stomach. I hate it. It's not like it breaks me, but it's the most annoying thing in the world to me.

That "$35" fine that Artest got last week, while it may not have caused him to missed a car payment, was definitely felt, no matter how much money he makes.

Remember the lovely and incredibly talented Dennis Rodman? He had very similar personal scandals and assorted run-ins with this or that authority figure all the while winning NBA championship after NBA championship. Michael Jordan when asked about Rodman once said, "what the hell is there for me to worry about, that he'll (Rodman) show up wearing the championship ring in his nose?"
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The Bulls were a championship contender with a strong and accomplished leader, a second-fiddle All-Star, and a head coach with a reputation for winning championships. Rodman was a footnote, someone who joined the team because he wanted a shot at a ring.

They weren't fighting to get out of the cellar of their division, Rodman wasn't their best player, and they didn't have a rookie head coach.

And, by the way, while Rodman was a nut, he never got suspended for 60 games for starting the biggest brawl in NBA history. I know that it's not fair to continue holding that over Artest's head, but it happened, and we can't just ignore it.

The situations are not as similar as they seem.

I'm not sure I want Artest here next season (since re-building is now the push) but, I'm extremely grateful that he lived up to his own hype when he first arrived in town. He told the world the Sacramento Kings would make the playoffs when absolutely no one believed him - probably not even Kings Coach Adelman. He pulled it off with dogged determination and some star will power (plus a nice assist from disciple Bonzi). He then helped push #1 seed San Antonio to 6 games in what Coach Pop later said was such a bruising series it may have hastened their eventual demise in the WC finals.

Artest has not been perfect as a King, but I'm very happy overall with what he's brought to the court as a superior, often devastating two-way player. Not a Kobe, not a LeBron, just a RonRon - and that's been plenty good, plenty fun to watch over the past three seasons.
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Again, I'm not saying that Ron should have never been a King. I don't resent him being here. I just think that, because of the state our team is in, it's best that we part ways with him now and move forward. Best for both parties involved. I would have preferred to see him traded for something before the deadline, and if he doesn't opt out of his contract, we should try to trade him before next season's deadline so that we can get something back. We should also try to work a sign and trade with anyone interested in him if he does opt out.

It's not just that I am diametrically opposed to Artest being a King. I appreciate his hustle and his overall attitude since he joined the team, especially when you consider that the player he was traded for had given up on the team. But I think that the time has come to say goodbye, and it has as much to do with where we are as a franchise as it does with Artest's past and his reputation.
 
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