Pistons will listen, but not seek trade offers

AleksandarN

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Come on Petrie work your magic. I would trade just about anyone on our team for Darko


http://www.mlive.com/pistons/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1136459405294520.xml&coll=1


AUBURN HILLS -- When you consider the Detroit Pistons' impressive record, it's hard to imagine they would try to change a thing.

However, standing pat, even in good times, has not been a given in recent years.

During the team's 2004 championship season, the Pistons pulled off a three-team blockbuster deal just before the trading deadline that brought them Rasheed Wallace. A year later, they added Carlos Arroyo via a trade from Utah that helped put them in the NBA Finals for the second consecutive season.

The Pistons (25-4) aren't looking to move any players, but they are at least willing to listen to teams wanting to discuss potential trades.

"You have a responsibility -- every team has a responsibility -- to be on the phones talking with other teams, doing your due diligence to see what's out there," said John Hammond, Detroit's vice-president of basketball operations. "But with our team and the position we're in now, teams understand that we're not going to move any significant parts of our (playing) rotation."

However, there are at least two players -- Arroyo and Darko Milicic -- whose status with the team is far from secure.

Both have repeatedly said they love being in Detroit, although each has expressed a desire to be in a situation where they could play more.

Arroyo's status might hinge on the effectiveness of Lindsey Hunter, who is expected back later this month after having left ankle surgery in November. Hammond said a number of teams have called about Detroit players, most coming from teams interested in Milicic.

"It's been like that the last two-and-a-half years leading up to the trading deadline," Hammond said. "Teams see that he's not playing a lot here, but understand that he has tremendous upside for a young big man. We understand that with Darko, we have a valuable asset, so you want to be very careful in how you approach dealing with that asset."

While it's possible Milicic could be dealt by the Feb. 23 trading deadline, it's more likely the Pistons will keep him on the roster for at least another season. If the Pistons don't offer Milicic a contract extension by the start of next season, he will become a restricted free agent heading into the summer of 2007. At that point, the Pistons can match any offer he gets, or they can trade him for either a player, a draft pick or a combination of the two.

Guard Richard Hamilton understands that being traded is a possibility all NBA players must accept.

"Mostly everybody here has been in different situations," said Hamilton, who was traded to Detroit from Washington in 2002. "But you know you can only control what you do out on the floor. That's it."

It looks like Friday's game against Seattle won't be a happy homecoming for former Michigan State star and Flint native Mateen Cleaves. Cleaves was waived by the SuperSonics on Wednesday after appearing in 19 games this season.

"I showed enough in the games that I did play that I belong (in the NBA), so I'm not worried about getting picked up," Cleaves said in a phone interview moments after being waived. "The toughest part about all of this was the relationships I built with the guys on the team, and leaving all that behind."

Cleaves, a former Pistons draft pick, said the decision didn't catch him by surprise.

"I was the only guy (on the Sonics) without a guaranteed contract, so after the way we started, and the coach (Bob Weiss) getting fired, they figured they probably needed to shake up the lineup too," Cleaves said.
 
Darko would definetly bring some height, athleticism and much needed shot blocking to our team.

However, if we are looking for someone with great enery, hustle and passion then we are most definetly looking in the wrong place. Hell, Milicic's intensity makes Peja look like Ron Artest.

With Arroyo, you get a decent PG back up so we can get rid off Hart for good. The problem is, I don't see too many things we have that Detroit would be interested in.
 
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It sucks we can't hire vlade as a coach and bring in Darko. We'd make him the best passing center in the game. IMO Skinner and hart should be enough for darko. Maybe add in a second rounder.

Edit: This works on the trade checker:

Darko, Mcdyess, Dale Davis, for Garcia, Rahim, Williamson. But I think that might be a bit too much to give, and I don't know if they'd want to mess up chemistry.
 
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BMiller52 said:
It sucks we can't hire vlade as a coach and bring in Darko. We'd make him the best passing center in the game. IMO Skinner and hart should be enough for darko. Maybe add in a second rounder.

Edit: This works on the trade checker:

Darko, Mcdyess, Dale Davis, for Garcia, Rahim, Williamson. But I think that might be a bit too much to give, and I don't know if they'd want to mess up chemistry.
I think Dumars would want a fair bit more than Skinner and Hart for Darko. Darko might be sucking it up but he still has a huge upside that teams are still obviously very interested in.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are lottery teams out there willing to give up their 1st round pick for Darko.
 
Čarolija said:
I think Dumars would want a fair bit more than Skinner and Hart for Darko. Darko might be sucking it up but he still has a huge upside that teams are still obviously very interested in.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are lottery teams out there willing to give up their 1st round pick for Darko.

Well, we're a lottery team... ;)

But if we're going to go for the real rebuild this time would much rather hold onto that pick AND get a Darko type project if possible. Load up on young talent and see who blossoms.
 
I don't think there is anyway that the Pistons will consider trading McDyess. Dale and Darko I can see, but I think Antonio is staying where he is. Both and Carlos have been too reliable off that bench. Delfino is bringing it as well so I honestly don't think those 2 are going anywhere either. But who am I? What do I know?
 
Bricklayer said:
Well, we're a lottery team... ;)

But if we're going to go for the real rebuild this time would much rather hold onto that pick AND get a Darko type project if possible. Load up on young talent and see who blossoms.
I would love to get Darko too but I wouldn't give up our 1st round pick in the deal. Having said that, I don't see Detroit trading him for anything less than a lottery pick
 
lol...... trading players for a bust....... dam i guess we gettin really desperate.....
 
I don't think trading Darko works for Detroit.They don't want to trade him for some bad player and if they trade him for some good player,he won't be happy to play 5 min per game...I think Darko will stay...
 
Fillmoe said:
lol...... trading players for a bust....... dam i guess we gettin really desperate.....

The guy still barely plays. He had a great pre-season, looking like a stud of sorts, and people thought he was going to have an increased role. But since, he hasn't been in the regular rotation at all.
 
Čarolija said:
I would love to get Darko too but I wouldn't give up our 1st round pick in the deal. Having said that, I don't see Detroit trading him for anything less than a lottery pick

I think that if we offered Bonzi Detroit would bite especially if they think that Bonzi would be the key to them winning over the Spurs in the final.
 
AleksandarN said:
I think that if we offered Bonzi Detroit would bite especially if they think that Bonzi would be the key to them winning over the Spurs in the final.

I don't do that.

Have very little right aboout this team. Willing to trade what is wrong and take a chance, but there is a healthy chance that Darko ends up being Kwame part II, and with Bibby, Miller, Bonzi = not interested.
 
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Bricklayer said:
I don't do that.

Have very little right aboout this team. Willing to trade what is wrong and take a chance, but there is a healthy chance that Darko ends up being Kwame part II, and with Bibby, Miller, Bonzi = not interested.

Pedja rules apply to Bonzi as well, you should know that better then anyone. If Bonzi comes back and continues where he left of, he just might play himself out of an extension with the Kings (e.g. in the next FA season, with Ben probably resigning with Pistons all the FA money will be chasing Bonzi and Pedja). Since we comitted all our dough to Mike, Brad and Webb (yes, we are still paying Webb kind of nut without Webb kind of impact, so let's call it waht it is) and Martin starting to look like an NBA player, I would trade Bonzi for a tall, athletic kid that can block. I don't know that I would take a risk on Darko, but something along those lines - yes.

Pairing up Brad with Tyson Chandler like or even Darko-potential like kid might just turn the whole thing around. I can't say the same for 2-spot. Even though Bonzi ws our best player prior to injury and just about the only hustle and hart guy on this team, I still listen to offers.
 
Darko and Arroyo would solve a lot of problems for the Kings, or at least they have the potential to. I don't know what it would take for the Pistons to bite.

McDyess, Evans and Arroyo get most of the minutes off the bench. I think KT would work for them, but his contract would be a bit much, I assume.
 
LPKingsFan said:
Darko and Arroyo would solve a lot of problems for the Kings, or at least they have the potential to. I don't know what it would take for the Pistons to bite.

McDyess, Evans and Arroyo get most of the minutes off the bench. I think KT would work for them, but his contract would be a bit much, I assume.
I don't think KT would work for them because they already have McDyess who actually plays very well off the bench unlike KT.

One player they might be interested in is Skinner but I don't think it would be overly smart to trade Skinner unless you get a similar sort of husle guy in return.
 
bozzwell said:
Pedja rules apply to Bonzi as well, you should know that better then anyone. If Bonzi comes back and continues where he left of, he just might play himself out of an extension with the Kings (e.g. in the next FA season, with Ben probably resigning with Pistons all the FA money will be chasing Bonzi and Pedja). Since we comitted all our dough to Mike, Brad and Webb (yes, we are still paying Webb kind of nut without Webb kind of impact, so let's call it waht it is) and Martin starting to look like an NBA player, I would trade Bonzi for a tall, athletic kid that can block. I don't know that I would take a risk on Darko, but something along those lines - yes.

Pairing up Brad with Tyson Chandler like or even Darko-potential like kid might just turn the whole thing around. I can't say the same for 2-spot. Even though Bonzi ws our best player prior to injury and just about the only hustle and hart guy on this team, I still listen to offers.

I listen to offers, but I do not move him for less than a sure thing.

Similar situation, but difference is that Bonzi is a keeper. Peja is superflorous. I'll trade the superflorous guy for a young talent (MAYBE -- Peja for Darko would be a very shaky use of our existing talent pool too) ont he theory that even if the young guy flops, we don't lose much. Not interested in gambling a keeper on a guy with a 2.0ppg career average though.
 
Bricklayer said:
I listen to offers, but I do not move him for less than a sure thing.

Similar situation, but difference is that Bonzi is a keeper. Peja is superflorous. I'll trade the superflorous guy for a young talent (MAYBE -- Peja for Darko would be a very shaky use of our existing talent pool too) ont he theory that even if the young guy flops, we don't lose much. Not interested in gambling a keeper on a guy with a 2.0ppg career average though.

OK, who are you and what did you do with the real Brick? :)

I agree that Darko is not Bonzi or Pedja worthy. But, when I compare Pedja and Bonzi it is simply based on their pending FA status. We still may lose Pedja to FA and then have to overpay (even if it much less then we would Pedja) to keep Bonzi and play him at 3 (Kevin at 2). I do have a feeling that that line up would be better then the one we started this year with, but I would not dare use one FA as an insurance policy for another. Ideally, I want Artest or at least Hassel at 2 or 3 and young shot blocker paired up with Brad. I want to keep 2 open for Cicso or A1 (preferably A1 on current evidence), I want to get younger and more athletic. Pedja AND Bonzi are our trading chips right now (as would be a healthy SAR but his contract is too small to get anything in return). In my book, that leaves Brad, Mike and the kids as the keepers.

I thought you of all people would agree with this. No more big contracts for anything less then superstar talent and no more guys turning thirty within a year and with pending FA. ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
I listen to offers, but I do not move him for less than a sure thing.

Similar situation, but difference is that Bonzi is a keeper. Peja is superflorous. I'll trade the superflorous guy for a young talent (MAYBE -- Peja for Darko would be a very shaky use of our existing talent pool too) ont he theory that even if the young guy flops, we don't lose much. Not interested in gambling a keeper on a guy with a 2.0ppg career average though.

In reality we do not know if Pedja and Bonzi will resign with the team. We are looking at two of them leaving for nothing. If Petrie feels that both of them will not resign then he will trade. If you look at those two players they are probably two of the most valuable trading pieces on the market today. Come the deadline we will see what offers come our way. Also if Petrie wants Bonzi to stay and Bonzi wants to be here why isn't he signed to an extension. If Petrie does not sign him before the trade deadline then I think Bonzi will be either traded or walks at the end of the season. It makes no sense to let him be a FA at the end of the year. Why take the risk?
 
Darko? That guy is 10 times softer than Peja and has no heart whatsoever. We need "hungry" players not another guy who is afraid to break a fingernail out there on the floor!
 
coolhandluke said:
Darko? That guy is 10 times softer than Peja and has no heart whatsoever. We need "hungry" players not another guy who is afraid to break a fingernail out there on the floor!

I am no fan of Darko but I don't see where are you getting it from that he is soft? Cretinous and infantile yes, but soft? I don't think so.
 
AleksandarN said:
In reality we do not know if Pedja and Bonzi will resign with the team. We are looking at two of them leaving for nothing. If Petrie feels that both of them will not resign then he will trade. If you look at those two players they are probably two of the most valuable trading pieces on the market today. Come the deadline we will see what offers come our way. Also if Petrie wants Bonzi to stay and Bonzi wants to be here why isn't he signed to an extension. If Petrie does not sign him before the trade deadline then I think Bonzi will be either traded or walks at the end of the season. It makes no sense to let him be a FA at the end of the year. Why take the risk?

No you're right -- same principle as the Peja situation. Difference being now the team's situation has changed. We aren't even moderately successful. In fact we flat out suck. That has a tendency to eliminate the impetus to give guys midyear extensions.

Thing is -- Bonzi is everything we should be looking for in the "new" Kings players -- play hard, hustle, play physical. Furthermore I put him in an exclusive 2 man Kings pantheon with Bibby right now as the only guys I can squint my eyes at and see as starters on a championship team. SO what exactly is the point in getting rid of him unless it be for a MAJOR star? Are you going to get back a tougher, more physical, harder hustling player? Very doubtful. If you move all of the starters, and go 100% young. Bonzi should go obviously. But if you're going to have any holdovers trying to set the tone for the next generation, it is Bonzi's tone I want set, not Peja's or SAR's.
 
BMiller52 said:
It sucks we can't hire vlade as a coach and bring in Darko. We'd make him the best passing center in the game. IMO Skinner and hart should be enough for darko. Maybe add in a second rounder.

Edit: This works on the trade checker:

Darko, Mcdyess, Dale Davis, for Garcia, Rahim, Williamson. But I think that might be a bit too much to give, and I don't know if they'd want to mess up chemistry.

Hart, Skinner, and a 2nd round pick for Darko. That would make the trade that dallas made with Minnesota for Hershal Walker look like a good deal. LOL Wasnt darko the 2nd overall pick?
 
Bricklayer said:
No you're right -- same principle as the Peja situation. Difference being now the team's situation has changed. We aren't even moderately successful. In fact we flat out suck. That has a tendency to eliminate the impetus to give guys midyear extensions.

Thing is -- Bonzi is everything we should be looking for in the "new" Kings players -- play hard, hustle, play physical. Furthermore I put him in an exclusive 2 man Kings pantheon with Bibby right now as the only guys I can squint my eyes at and see as starters on a championship team. SO what exactly is the point in getting rid of him unless it be for a MAJOR star? Are you going to get back a tougher, more physical, harder hustling player? Very doubtful. If you move all of the starters, and go 100% young. Bonzi should go obviously. But if you're going to have any holdovers trying to set the tone for the next generation, it is Bonzi's tone I want set, not Peja's or SAR's.

Aee I uhnderstand where you are coming and we need players more like Bonzi ilk mentally but what I do not understand is why do the Kings not resign Bonzi before he hits the open market? If he is not signed by then I am afraid he will go somewhere else. That is why we either have to resing him before the trade deadline or trade him because we do neither then he walks for free at the end of the year. That is why I am willing to trade them both before the deadline for talented prospects. We need to rebuild the team top to bottom because we tried to rebuild on the fly and look at what it got us.
 
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AleksandarN said:
Aee I uhnderstand where you are coming and we need players more like Bonzi ilk mentally but what I do not understand is why do the Kings not resign Bonzi before he hits the open market? If he is not signed by then I am afraid he will go somewhere else. That is why we either have to resing him before the trade deadline or trade him because we do neither then he walks for free at the end of the year. That is why I am willing to trade them both before the deadline for talented prospects. We need to rebuild the team top to bottom because we tried to rebuild on the fly and look at what it got us.

indeed!

i dont think it would set the kings back all that much financially if they re-signed bonzi wells. it would be pertinent to do it before the offseason as well, because it resolves the issue of him walking, and it shows trust and faith in the player who has shown the most effort this season. that's a commitment worth taking, risks aside (and i don't think the risk of bonzi exploding is as great as everyone made it out to be).
 
IT seems more and more likely Darko could be moved for the right deal.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060111/SPORTS0102/601110353/1127

Arroyo time
There are two Pistons' names that come up most frequently in Internet trade rumors -- Darko Milicic and Carlos Arroyo . The Pistons have gotten calls on the former, none on the latter, and plan on moving neither.
"We're getting calls, but not on any particular player," said John Hammond , Pistons vice president of basketball. "The player we get the most calls on is Darko. But we are in a position where, I wouldn't say we were hesitant to make any deals, but we have a pretty good thing going on. To pull the trigger on a trade right now would be tough to do."
Especially since, Hammond said, the Pistons have made it clear they weren't moving any of their core players.
Arroyo, for his part, isn't overly thrilled with his role, but doesn't want to be traded, either.
"Winning championships is the No. 1 priority for everyone," he said, when asked if he preferred playing a limited role for the Pistons over a larger role on a non-contender. "For me to be on a great team that has a chance to go to the Finals, it's a blessing."
Saunders indicated before the game that he may be altering Arroyo's role, bringing him in earlier in the game to play alongside starters Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince .
"I know I am better and I know I can do a lot more," Arroyo said. "But I am playing with great players, backing up a great point guard in Chauncey (Billups ) and that's the fun side of it."
 
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