Pistons want Bonzi?

[Bricklayer]

We're not getting Ben Wallace. He's the soul of that team (Chauncey's the heart). The Pistons are not getting Bonzi. He's ours until we want to get rid of him.

Bonzi was reportedly not terribly interested in going to Detroit last year as a reserve. Assume that would remain the same. On the other hand as a FA it has to be mighty flattering/tempting when a title contender says it wants you (not to mention more than a bit questionable if a lesser team like ourselves decides we do not). Be best not to screw around too much on this one, hit him wiht a good offer up in the expected range, and not try the lowball game that might have him thinking...64 win team in need of savior vs. 45 win team dicking me around...hmmm....

 

[Entity]

Bonzi and KT for Ben. Ben didn't rebound or block many shots in the playoffs and he don't do much else like score. I would think Detroit isn't going to throw more money at him than what they already have. Ben is not that dynamic and he is 32 years old. I wouldn't give anymore than KT and Bonzi and thats just to make the salaries meet. give Ben about 3 years. NO more.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Lets not get too carried away people, Ben Wallace IS the Pistons, and they will re-sign him, he is a free agent, as well. That being said, they have a ton of money they can spend, so even if they give Big Ben $15mil. a year, they still will have money to spend on someone. No way in hell he goes anywhere. The Pistons can offer Bonzi something high if they want to because they have cash to do so, and I really dont think we can match anything that any other team offers, only because we're already at the cap limit, even WITHOUT Bonzi on our payroll, so anything we give to Bonzi will put us that much over the cap, and the Maloofs definetely dont want that...Clutch Martin may very well be our guy at the 2 next year. I did find it funny that the Pistons still had Derrick Coleman on their payroll this last year.

 

[Entity]

Ben isn't worth more than about 8-9 mil a year he is a just a great role player that is all. he is not a game changing machine he works well with his team on defense and is a great rebounder and shotblocker. But in this league the money will go to the scorers.

 

[West_Gunslinger16]

No team in NBA doesn't want Bonzi after his performance against the Spurs.

 

[Sirius]

Trading for Big Ben just doesn't seem like something Petrie would do. Why would he trade for someone who has no offensive game whatsoever?

Just going with history on this one. Plus, Big Ben and Artest obviously have history, and the Kings shouldn't push their luck even though Artest has behaved himself so far.

 

[Kings113]

We can't get Ben Wallace. I don't see what else there is to say...

 

[Sac.Kings]

Ben isn't leaving Detroit, but something tells me Petrie will find another "diamond in the rough" player like Diop is for the Mavs. We need to be realistic about the players we can afford to get and Ben Wallace wants a lot of $$$ and we can't give it to him. I will sit back and see what Petrie pulls out of his magic hat. There is NOTHING we can do except wait and watch for news.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Lets not get too carried away people, Ben Wallace IS the Pistons, and they will re-sign him, he is a free agent, as well. That being said, they have a ton of money they can spend, so even if they give Big Ben $15mil. a year, they still will have money to spend on someone. No way in hell he goes anywhere. The Pistons can offer Bonzi something high if they want to because they have cash to do so, and I really dont think we can match anything that any other team offers, only because we're already at the cap limit, even WITHOUT Bonzi on our payroll, so anything we give to Bonzi will put us that much over the cap, and the Maloofs definetely dont want that...Clutch Martin may very well be our guy at the 2 next year. I did find it funny that the Pistons still had Derrick Coleman on their payroll this last year.

What? Where do you find that the Pistons have all this cap room? I don't think so...

 

[BRad1055]

Just for the record Mobley and Jim Jackson didnt play together here in Sac.

 

[Kings113]

Yeah, in Houston.

 

[kingsfan916]

Keep Bonzi!

 

[BMiller52]

Lets not get too carried away people, Ben Wallace IS the Pistons, and they will re-sign him, he is a free agent, as well. That being said, they have a ton of money they can spend, so even if they give Big Ben $15mil. a year, they still will have money to spend on someone. No way in hell he goes anywhere. The Pistons can offer Bonzi something high if they want to because they have cash to do so, and I really dont think we can match anything that any other team offers, only because we're already at the cap limit, even WITHOUT Bonzi on our payroll, so anything we give to Bonzi will put us that much over the cap, and the Maloofs definetely dont want that...Clutch Martin may very well be our guy at the 2 next year. I did find it funny that the Pistons still had Derrick Coleman on their payroll this last year.

No Detroit can offer Ben all they want because they have his bird rights. They are over the cap just not over the luxury tax. We can pay Bonzi all we want because we have his bird rights.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

What? Where do you find that the Pistons have all this cap room? I don't think so...

The Pistons, as it stands right now(now that this season is officially over for them) will only be at $39,596,220 for next year(a big part of that was them losing Kelvin Cato's huge contract after this season), and the cap should be around $52mil. next year.

 

[BMiller52]

The Pistons, as it stands right now(now that this season is officially over for them) will only be at $39,596,220 for next year(a big part of that was them losing Kelvin Cato's huge contract after this season), and the cap should be around $52mil. next year.

That's not counting Ben's contract though right? Where'd you get that info?

 

[Sirius]

How would Bonzi fit in the Pistons rotation anyway? Come off the bench behind Prince and Hamilton? No way is he going to want to do that. He already did say the only way he does not sign here is if the team doesn't want to sign him. Now I know it's ultimately about money, but I think he meant it. He said he was tired of changing teams, and I'm sure hearing the fans chant his name in the playoffs and all had to mean something to him.

 

[BigSong]

The Pistons, as it stands right now(now that this season is officially over for them) will only be at $39,596,220 for next year(a big part of that was them losing Kelvin Cato's huge contract after this season), and the cap should be around $52mil. next year.

Pretty sure Detroit has to resign Prince, i don't see them as having all that much room to throw money around.

 

[BMiller52]

Pretty sure Detroit has to resign Prince, i don't see them as having all that much room to throw money around.

Yeah I bet he consider Tayshaun's extension.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Pretty sure Detroit has to resign Prince, i don't see them as having all that much room to throw money around.

ah yes, my bad, totally forgot about this being the last year for Tayshaun's contract as well, he only made $1.7mil. last year, so I'm sure he will want a sizable raise. So they have Ben and Tayshaun to re-sign...which they should do, but you never know. I dont want Bonzi to go anywhere, but not sure how far over the cap the Maloofs are willing to spend due to the $-$ luxury tax, and we'd be right at the cap next year, even without Bonzi, so everything we give Bonzi will be money owed by the Maloofs to the NBA.

 

[Gilles]

The Pistons, as it stands right now(now that this season is officially over for them) will only be at $39,596,220 for next year(a big part of that was them losing Kelvin Cato's huge contract after this season), and the cap should be around $52mil. next year.

You probably use hoopshype.com salary page and missed that Prince's line is not a line of zeros but it is highlighted which means he will be under contract and it is one of 48mln./5years that starts at about 8 mln. so Detroit will have about 47mln. in salary commited come July, 1. Plus they will probably want to re-sign promising Amir Johnson and maybe Acker. Also they will be without backup PG which will require a couple of millions. So their situation is not as good as it seems especially since Billups is expected to opt out next summer.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

The only person they have that could help us IMO is Rasheed but I don't even know if that would work. Ben and Ron would never work. Sheed's a good defender but we might have to put up with his crap.

sheed and ron ron would both be making guarantees on the same team

 

[Sackings8390]

was there any proof of these rumours?

 

[VF21]

It's TDOS. There are going to be rumors floating around somewhere about virtually every single combination of players available.

Is there any proof? They're rumors and speculation. That pretty much precludes any kind of proof.

 

[Fillmoe]

i would do bonzi and miller for ben and arroyo

 

[Burrito06]

ah yes, my bad, totally forgot about this being the last year for Tayshaun's contract as well, he only made $1.7mil. last year, so I'm sure he will want a sizable raise. So they have Ben and Tayshaun to re-sign...which they should do, but you never know. I dont want Bonzi to go anywhere, but not sure how far over the cap the Maloofs are willing to spend due to the $-$ luxury tax, and we'd be right at the cap next year, even without Bonzi, so everything we give Bonzi will be money owed by the Maloofs to the NBA.

They already re-signed Prince during the season. He there long term now.

 

[Gary]

Just for the record Mobley and Jim Jackson didnt play together here in Sac.

If you are referring to my post what I was saying was about the whole "sign and trade" thing. We were talking about a sign and trade with both of those players, yet it never happened. I don't think we will with Bonzi either. If he leaves, than he leaves. I don't like the idea of sign and trade anyway unless it's for a draft pick.

 

[WalMatt23]

i would do bonzi and miller for ben and arroyo

Arroyo is with orlando.

I keep hearing that Detroit is interested in Bonzi, but where do they fit him in? It just doesn't seem realistic for them to trade Ben for Bonzi or Bonzi/Miller. I mean, they have rip/prince at the 2/3 and I can't see them paying $9+ million for a back up. Also, after Prince tore it up in the playoffs this year I can't see them parting with him either. So does that mean that detroit might trade rip for bonzi? Rip is supposed to get about $9 million next year, so a straight up swap of a re-signed bonzi might would work salary-wise. I wouldn't be opposed to that. Rip is locked up for four more seasons and is making probably what bonzi would make. Plus he's a better ball handler and FT shooter.

 

[Padrino]

Arroyo is with orlando.

I keep hearing that Detroit is interested in Bonzi, but where do they fit him in? It just doesn't seem realistic for them to trade Ben for Bonzi or Bonzi/Miller. I mean, they have rip/prince at the 2/3 and I can't see them paying $9+ million for a back up. Also, after Prince tore it up in the playoffs this year I can't see them parting with him either. So does that mean that detroit might trade rip for bonzi? Rip is supposed to get about $9 million next year, so a straight up swap of a re-signed bonzi might would work salary-wise. I wouldn't be opposed to that. Rip is locked up for four more seasons and is making probably what bonzi would make. Plus he's a better ball handler and FT shooter.

eh...while i would certainly consider a rip hamilton for bonzi wells swap, i'm not sold on it. its not because i'm not sold on rip hamilton (he's one of the most consistent 2-guards in the league), but it does seem silly to me considering that many scouting reports are referring to kevin martin's game as rip hamilton-esque. i don't think the kings necessarily need two shooter/slashers in their SG rotation. bonzi's strength and post game is a huge asset to the kings considering the other matchup problems they create. one mismatch in favor of the kings is good, but throw ron artest into the mix, and brad miller who (when he shows up), can further stretch the opponents defense (which musselman also seems to like), and i see great potential. i really like the balance between bonzi and kevin. it works in the kings favor to have a two SG rotation that is very flexible when it comes to dealing with particular matchups, and kevin will come at a much cheaper price than rip. we just have to be patient and wait for kevin to continue his rise among the young ranks of the nba.

 

[jacobdrj]

First off: Ben Wallace is a FREE AGENT this summer.
Second: Tayshaun has already been resigned. Any trade envolving him is for his 9-ish million a-year contract.
Third: Hunter returning to the NBA is up to him. He is getting old, and any return would be about whether he thinks he can, not nessacarily who trades for him.

Now, with all that out of the way: Ben Wallace, in all likelyhood, is no longer a Piston after this summer. He hired an agent. He played poorly enough in the playoffs to warrent him not getting the 'Rasheed+1' contract he was most likely going to recieve before this season was played. He doesn't like Flip Saunders or the direction the Pistons are heading. He needs a defense-1st system to be effective as the anchor of a franchise. He will also be offered a max deal by pretty much everyone that can offer it to him.

My prediction is that Ben ends up in Chicago. This is because of their defense 1st system, the amount of money they have to offer, and the offensive-minded guards that are already in place.

What I think will happen is similar to what happened with both Grant Hill and Jerry Stackhouse: He will either be traded for the right to get a heftier contract, or a straight up sign and trade will occur.

If the Pistons loose Ben Wallace, they would probably go after a guy like Bonzi. However, if I am not mistaken, Bonzi has a thing against playing in Detroit, and would avoid it at all costs. It also depends on who is going with the 'sign and trade'.

As for the Ben-Artest thing: They would be fine playing with eachother. It would probably amount to the greatest defensive tandom in history. Why not in Sacremento?

 

[VF21]

The only reason we won't get Ben Wallace is pure and simple ... $$$$. He's worth more than we'd be able to pay.