Phil-thy mouth taunts Kwame

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Phil-thy mouth taunts Kwame




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By Marc Stein
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You know about his controversial book and the relationship he's trying to rebuild with Kobe Bryant.
You also probably know that he's now co-hosting a weekly Sirius radio show on the same satellite network as Howard Stern, who, we can confirm, isn't related to David Stern.
And, yes, you heard right: Phil Jackson did indeed tell reporters earlier this week that he has been regularly calling Kwame Brown a sissy. Except the crude word Phil has been using makes sissy sound like a compliment.
The Zenmeister obviously has lots to say in his twilight coaching years. Great news for anyone who wants to be entertained by the ultimate insider.
I'm nonetheless moved to ask: Shouldn't the Kwame quote have caused at least a minor furor?
The reflex answer: Because it is Phil Jackson -- and because it is Kwame Brown -- there isn't a great rush to challenge the remark. Jackson has as much credibility as anyone who has ever coached this game. Brown's toughness has been questioned every day of his NBA career.
Phil can actually say anything he wants about anything. Right?
Still ...
It's one of the most stunning on-the-record remarks I can remember.
You never, ever hear a coach publicly say something like that about one of his players, even in jest. Anything goes in the locker room or on the practice floor, but this? The stuff in the book about "uncoachable" Kobe doesn't come close.
I could believe it was never meant for public consumption -- just Jackson being quippy with writers before a game -- if Jackson's explanation wasn't another shot. "The thing I do is that I meow when I go by him," Jackson said Thursday, trying to downplay his original remark by revealing that Lakers assistant Brian Shaw has been making cat noises around Brown.
Shaw insists the whole idea was trying to get Brown believing he can be a Big Cat down low. Believable or not, the clear feeling you get from Jackson is that he's fed up with Kwame already, with Brown having missed nine games with thumb and hamstring ailments and looking lost when he has been available.
I thought all along, as soon as the Lakers dealt for Brown, that Phil-Kwame relations would be a much bigger problem than the Phil-Kobe dynamic. Yet I never expected Phil, after just two months, to let something like this slip to the press when he knows Brown's history of fragility. Phil, after all, did get the full Kwame scouting report from Michael Jordan before the season began.
The kid has been coddled long enough, no question, but I thought Jackson's methods of motivation were a bit more sophisticated. He has always seemed to know exactly who could and couldn't handle these psychological ploys. It seems awfully early in the Kwame experiment to choose this path, no matter how disappointing he has been so far.
A happy ending here would see the 23-year-old prove us all wrong and use this new low in Kwame-bashing as the pivotal point in an overdue turnaround. Yet you don't have to be a veteran Kwame-watcher to know that would be a surprise ending. A massive surprise. The smaller surprise? Keeping things in-house this time, as he promised, hasn't been as easy as the Zenmeister of multimedia made it sound.

source: ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-051210-11
 
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nbrans said:
Because questioning Kwame Brown's manhood worked so well in Washington...

Word.

Sorry but I still don't find anything about Phil Jackson appealling and this pretty much just seals it.

I think it may get even uglier around there if the Lakers don't start doing something. If he's been calling Kwame names on a regular basis, he'll soon have to move up the food chain...

Any bets on who ends up on the receiving end of the caustic wit?

...

How horrible is it that I'm actually waiting for it to happen?

:confused:
 
Uh, what exactly is the problem?

Man, I keep waiting for the day that Coach Adelman calls Peja a *****. Maybe that would light a fire under him. (But I doubt it.)
 
B-kauz Kwame and Peja are different people. Some people react well to criticism. We know FOR A FACT that Kwame has NEVER responded well to criticism. Peja, we don't know, but it is worth a shot.

Some people just need positive encouragement.
 
Coach said:
Uh, what exactly is the problem?

Man, I keep waiting for the day that Coach Adelman calls Peja a *****. Maybe that would light a fire under him. (But I doubt it.)

More likely Peja would just go further in a shell. Different people respond to things differently, and it doesn't take a Kwame insider to know that everytime he has been insulted/humiliated he has retreated into a corner and more or less quit.

At this point I get the feeling Phil is almost bored wiht teh NBA, bored wiht the games, and just has no patience to play mind games anymore. He's rich, famous, a legend. Just seems to be in the mood to let **** fly and what happens happens. Why pull punches if you have nothing to lose?
 
Unbelievable. At first I thought Kwame Brown was just continuing to live up to his well-deserved reputation, but this changes my opinion a little. He's like the weak kid in school that everyone likes to pick on. Can't you see him just blowing up at some point and going ballistic on everybody? Hopefully that means on the court, and not something else. I wonder if some kind of combination of bench players could get Kwame in a trade right now? The thought of Kwame on the Kings still makes me shudder, but it's not like we'd have anything to lose.
 
Two most overrated coaches in the NBA today are Larry Brown and Phil Jackson.
 
hrdboild said:
The thought of Kwame on the Kings still makes me shudder, but it's not like we'd have anything to lose.
if it makes you shudder, that should be a good indicator that we don't need him, regardless if we have nothing to lose. he would make the kings even softer, and thats hard to do.
 
Coach said:
Uh, what exactly is the problem?

You mean aside from the obvious? As nbrans pointed out, it didn't work in Washington and it most likely won't work in LA. Why do something you know isn't going to produce positive results?
 
VF21 said:
You mean aside from the obvious? As nbrans pointed out, it didn't work in Washington and it most likely won't work in LA. Why do something you know isn't going to produce positive results?

Maybe if Phil says it it will work ;)
 
VF21 said:
You mean aside from the obvious? As nbrans pointed out, it didn't work in Washington and it most likely won't work in LA. Why do something you know isn't going to produce positive results?
anything the lakers do to make themselves worse than us is a positive at this point.
 
They coddled Kwame last year in Washington and it didn't work. He became lazy and more arrogant about his limited contributions. At one point, he refused to play because the crowd wasn't cheering for him. They're probably doomed either way with Kwame. However, trying to beat the wuss out of him is less nauseating than telling him how good he is and how much he's improving. It takes less time and energy to shame someone into improving. Kwame has no pride, though.
 
Coach said:
Uh, what exactly is the problem?

Man, I keep waiting for the day that Coach Adelman calls Peja a *****. Maybe that would light a fire under him. (But I doubt it.)
LOL I was thinking th esame thing. It's not like calling Kwami a sissy is INACCURATE or something. Good god would people be up set at Adelman for calling Brad slow, or if Sloan for calling Tag fat? Next thing you know PJ will call Kobe a ball hog and then all hell will break loose.:p
 
Hey, the more things Jackson does that AREN'T effective with the Lakers, the happier I am. At some point, however, you just have to shake your head and walk away...
 
thesanityannex said:
anything the lakers do to make themselves worse than us is a positive at this point.

I don't think that's possible unless Kobe and Lamar break a bone -- their coccyges, for example.
 
Bricklayer said:
More likely Peja would just go further in a shell. Different people respond to things differently, and it doesn't take a Kwame insider to know that everytime he has been insulted/humiliated he has retreated into a corner and more or less quit.

Really, at this point, it doesn't matter. Brown hasn't been missed at all since his injury.
 
DeAtHrOw said:
Two most overrated coaches in the NBA today are Larry Brown and Phil Jackson.

thats a massive call there. i strongly disagree, but i could see some merit in arguing phil jackson is over-rated. but larry brown? you've got to be kidding?
 
BTW, did anyone else notice Coach Adelman getting in Peja's face last night in the 4th quarter? I had never seen that before. LONG TIME COMING.
 
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