Petrie Is God, All Will Be Well

[thesanityannex]

with all of the trade speculations and off season acquisitions going around this board, and as fun as they are to think about, i just wanted to remind people that petrie will pull off something amazing for this team that no one expected to happen. he's done it in the past and he will do it again. long live petrie.

 

[kingsfannPDX]

if petrie is god then why does he get injury prone players??

 

[keflanag]

if petrie is god then why does he get injury prone players??

The better question is how does he manage to pull off trading away not only injury-prone players, but injured players in the twilight of their careers?

 

[Packt]

The better question is how does he manage to pull off trading away not only injury-prone players, but injured players in the twilight of their careers?

By taking on less talented players with bad contracts. He broke down Webb's contract, but the talent level was also broken down.

I'm not trying to knock Petrie. He has his work cut out for him this summer. He doesn't have the flexibility of cap space or a clean slate.

 

[KP]

By taking on less talented players with bad contracts. He broke down Webb's contract, but the talent level was also broken down.

I'm not trying to knock Petrie. He has his work cut out for him this summer. He doesn't have the flexibility of cap space or a clean slate.

Good post^. If he really is God he'll make some big moves this summer and the team will be back in the top 3 or 4 teams in the west. If he's not...

 

[Bricklayer]

Petrie is merely good, its I who am God.


Thought that was clear by now.


As an aside to the discussion of my divinity, I actually do not look at this offseason as being THAT impossible for us. We have all the pieces we need to make some bigtime moves -- and that was susposed to be the plan (or at least claimed to be so). The real question is whether Geoff can overcome his own conservative instincts and have that "vision thing".

 

[Viking]

Petrie should pull the whole immaculate conception thing (probably through Ainge) so we could sign Jesus.

 

[thesanityannex]

if petrie is god then why does he get injury prone players??

god knows when players will be injured. bye bye webber, injured. bye bye christie, injured. bye bye divac, injured. god knows.

 

[D-Mass]

Petrie should pull the whole immaculate conception thing (probably through Ainge) so we could sign Jesus.

Jesus wouldn't be the thug we need...too darn nice!

 

[Bricklayer]

Jesus wouldn't be the thug we need...too darn nice!

That's actually true.....what we actually need is God him/itself. Old Testament God. Fire and brimstone, drown the Earth, rain frogs and locusts on your head, pee me off and I'll turn you into a pillar of salt God. Now there was a mo'fo' you didn't mess with.


(one problem though -- had a real attitude problem. If some fan threw a beer on HIS chest, could get REAL ugly. )

 

[thesanityannex]

i heard we could be drafting some guy named Joshua. i guess he brought down some walls in jericho or something. another trade rumor was getting that guy moses who parted the sea. i heard he grabs lots of boards.

 

[Kingsgurl]

bye bye webber, injured. bye bye christie, injured. bye bye divac, injured.

Webb's injured? If you are speaking about him coming back from that knee surgery thing, everyone and their dog (if they read the papers) knew about that. He was leading the league in Triple Doubles until being traded to play second fiddle to Iverson in Philly. Why can't the rest of our injured guys put up numbers like that? That would be a god thing, since injuries we have in abundance still.
Doug had some bone spurs (and the ongoing plantar faciitis, which he has battled the last two seasons, not much pre-cognizant thinking to see that)
Perhaps he foresaw Vlade injuring his back during a SUMMER workout, which would truly mean he had some sort of Godlike power, as who could even foresee Vlade practicing BEFORE training camp? But that begs the question, why the hell didn't he do something about Brad???? Or Bobby? The peak time to trade Bobby would have been the year after he earned 6th man honors, if you knew ahead of time who would be injured and all, don't you think?

 

[Sparky]

Jesus wouldn't be the thug we need...too darn nice!

I don't know, just think of Arco as "The Temple" and the opposing team as sellers of doves, money changers etc. JC would definitely pop a can o' whupass.

 

[thesanityannex]

Webb's injured? If you are speaking about him coming back from that knee surgery thing, everyone and their dog (if they read the papers) knew about that. He was leading the league in Triple Doubles until being traded to play second fiddle to Iverson in Philly. Why can't the rest of our injured guys put up numbers like that? That would be a god thing, since injuries we have in abundance still.
Doug had some bone spurs (and the ongoing plantar faciitis, which he has battled the last two seasons, not much pre-cognizant thinking to see that)
Perhaps he foresaw Vlade injuring his back during a SUMMER workout, which would truly mean he had some sort of Godlike power, as who could even foresee Vlade practicing BEFORE training camp? But that begs the question, why the hell didn't he do something about Brad???? Or Bobby? The peak time to trade Bobby would have been the year after he earned 6th man honors, if you knew ahead of time who would be injured and all, don't you think?

WEBBER HAD KNEE SURGERY, I DIDNT KNOW THAT. MY BAD. petrie will take care of the injured ones this season, dont worry.

 

[PixelPusher]

The real question is whether Geoff can overcome his own conservative instincts and have that "vision thing".

I've heard and read many different adjectives describing Petrie's moves this season, but "conservative" wasn't one of them. It took balls to bring Webber to Sacramento in the first place, not to mention trading him away this season.

btw, if "Old Testament God" is too busy to come down and bring toughness to our lineup, maybe he can send down Samson. It's ok to have long hair in the NBA, right?

 

[loopymitch]

I've heard and read many different adjectives describing Petrie's moves this season, but "conservative" wasn't one of them. It took balls to bring Webber to Sacramento in the first place, not to mention trading him away this season.

btw, if "Old Testament God" is too busy to come down and bring toughness to our lineup, maybe he can send down Samson. It's ok to have long hair in the NBA, right?

yea, just braid it don't cut it.

 

[JohnGalt]

Geoff Petrie has "GM'd" this team into nothingness... his last good move was signing Jim Jackson.

He will always wear a halo for doing the Richmond for Webber deal, signing Vlade, drafting Pedrag, and getting Christie for Corliss.

But it has been a long long time since one of his moves worked out well. I think if Adelman goes, Geoff should go too. He's just as washed up as any of the old players he dumped.

 

[Bricklayer]

Geoff Petrie has "GM'd" this team into nothingness... his last good move was signing Jim Jackson.

He will always wear a halo for doing the Richmond for Webber deal, signing Vlade, drafting Pedrag, and getting Christie for Corliss.

But it has been a long long time since one of his moves worked out well. I think if Adelman goes, Geoff should go too. He's just as washed up as any of the old players he dumped.

Brad Miller? Mike Bibby? Darius?

 

[JohnGalt]

I'm not sold on Darius - not after this past post-season. He looked like a JV player who suited up for the varsity game. Not like a guy priming to go shopping as a FA. I thought Darius was very disappointing in the playoffs.

I don't like Brad Miller. I mean he's ok. He'd be a good PF. He puts up impressive stats because he can shoot, and he's kind of scrappy. But he spends the first half of the season getting knocked over by every other PF and C in the league and crying to the refs about it. He's not committed to conditioning. He just chews tobacco and fishes all summer. He's good for the 17 foot J, and a good passer. That's it. I don't like the King's commitment to Brad as "the guy in the middle". I think the Kings will NEVER win a championship with Brad Miller at Center. At PF, ok. But the Kings lack a significant presence in the middle and I consider this bad planning on Geoff's part. He felt that Brad could be heir to Vlade? gimme a break.

Hard to knock Bibby, and I'm not going to knock him. But I think while he WANTS the big shot and can knock it down, he has shown signs of immaturity - like last season when he was partying late in Dallas before a big game. But sure, Mike Bibby is our best player - no doubt. I should have mentioned JWill for Bibby as a Petre coup. My bad.

 

[VF21]

I'm not sold on Darius - not after this past post-season. He looked like a JV player who suited up for the varsity game. Not like a guy priming to go shopping as a FA. I thought Darius was very disappointing in the playoffs.

I don't like Brad Miller. I mean he's ok. He'd be a good PF. He puts up impressive stats because he can shoot, and he's kind of scrappy. But he spends the first half of the season getting knocked over by every other PF and C in the league and crying to the refs about it. He's not committed to conditioning. He just chews tobacco and fishes all summer. He's good for the 17 foot J, and a good passer. That's it. I don't like the King's commitment to Brad as "the guy in the middle". I think the Kings will NEVER win a championship with Brad Miller at Center. At PF, ok. But the Kings lack a significant presence in the middle and I consider this bad planning on Geoff's part. He felt that Brad could be heir to Vlade? gimme a break.

Hard to knock Bibby, and I'm not going to knock him. But I think while he WANTS the big shot and can knock it down, he has shown signs of immaturity - like last season when he was partying late in Dallas before a big game. But sure, Mike Bibby is our best player - no doubt. I should have mentioned JWill for Bibby as a Petre coup. My bad.

OMG. An NBA athlete has shown signs of immaturity? Who wudda thunk it?



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Geoff Petrie isn't God, but he certainly has shown he can build a championship calibre team. Whether or not he can do it again - pull something elite like a phoenix out of the ashes of our former team remains to be seen.

I'm optimistic but not overly so.

He's good but we don't have a lot for him to work with. Unless you're willing to give up Bibby, Peja or Miller (or a combo of them) you're not going to see a superstar come to the Kings so he's going to have to work some magic with what he can get.

The Jimmy Jackson fiasco was the biggest mistake he's made, IMHO. Jackson - who is now a contributing factor for the Suns - walked away from us for nothing.

If I sound negative, it's because I'm not quite ready to set myself up for a major disappointment if my beloved Kings end up being mediocre for the next few years. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised if Petrie manages to pull yet another rabbit out of that magician's hat...

GO KINGS!

 

[LPKingsFan]

I don't get this fascination with putting Miller at PF. It doesn't matter if he's not the "inside presence" at C, as long as the Kings find someone to take that role at PF. In Indy, Jermaine was the PF and inside presence. In SA, Duncan the inside presence with Rasho outside. You're stuck on traditional norms too much. To put a slow 7 footer at PF and a 6'10 athletic post up player at C just because that is how tradition states doesn't make sense.

 

[JohnGalt]

I guess I'm reasonably optimistic that at least Geoff can go all out and try again and get a new star (KG/Lebron caliber) to build around.

If I woke up and read in the Bee that Bibby, Miller, and Peja were all gone in a trade.. I would cheer up immediately because that would mean Geoff snagged a megastar (or else a move to Vegas was imminent )

I don't think the Kings have what you could call a "foundation" like they did when Webber and Vlade were healthy. I don't care what Napier says... absent a significant offseason move, the Kings are lottery bound next season.

I just don't get the "Geoff knows what he's doing - don't worry" talk. I just haven't seen the Midas touch lately with him. Signing Greg Ostertag cost a lot of goodwill.

Maybe Geoff could just put up a bulletin board message:

"Dear fellow GMs. I will trade all my slow white guys for something else. Pedrag, Ostertag, Miller, Songalia. Asking Kevin Garnett obo. Please call 1-800-GOK-INGS Thank you in advance for your thoughtful consideration. Geoff."

 

[JohnGalt]

LPKingsfan: I don't have a fascination with putting Miller at PF. I want to get rid of him. But I think if we have to keep him, he will do less damage and get clowned less if he's at PF.

 

[LPKingsFan]

LPKingsfan: I don't have a fascination with putting Miller at PF. I want to get rid of him. But I think if we have to keep him, he will do less damage and get clowned less if he's at PF.

It's not only you. I saw it a lot more in other threads, this just reminded me. But I think he'd get "clowned" a lot more against quicker and more athletic PFs than slow and bruising centers. He's more of a slow a bruising guy himself. I mean, wouldn't you think he'd match up better with Kandi than Garnett?

 

[VF21]

It's not only you. I saw it a lot more in other threads, this just reminded me. But I think he'd get "clowned" a lot more against quicker and more athletic PFs than slow and bruising centers. He's more of a slow a bruising guy himself. I mean, wouldn't you think he'd match up better with Kandi than Garnett?

Ah, but consider how well he might do playing NEXT to Garnett...

I would consider moving Miller to the PF, if Kenny Thomas is our only other option for that slot. Miller played the 4 pretty well while Webber was out, albeit with wiley veteran Divac at the 5.

Face it, folks.

We have a myriad of questions and very, very, very few answers.

The KINGS (the team as we've known it the past several years) are dead.

Long live the Kings (or whatever reincarnation of them we can possibly hope for.)

There is no quick fix. There is no ONE single move that can put us back at the top of the heap. It ain't gonna happen. The best we can hope for right now is that Geoff Petrie is, like a chess master, looking at a picture down the road that is simply still to blurry for the rest of us neophytes to focus on.

 

[Packt]

I'm not sold on Darius - not after this past post-season. He looked like a JV player who suited up for the varsity game. Not like a guy priming to go shopping as a FA. I thought Darius was very disappointing in the playoffs.

I like Darius as a back-up guy for Webber because he can come in and do the little things that Webber isn’t, or can’t do. If Thomas is our PF, then we need to look for a bigger, stronger guy and let Darius go. He fell into the same trap as Mobley; looking to boost his off-season resume by trying to do too much. Both probably played themselves right out of town.

 

[VF21]

If anything, I think Darius' main problem is youth. There are things he needs to learn...such as how NOT to commit ticky-tack fouls. I think he's capable of learning those things and I hope he's still here next year to provide back-up. He's a role player and we need some of them. I don't think Darius was trying to boost his off-season resume. I think he was simply trying to step into a role he just can't quite fill... not his fault there's that big gaping oozing wound at the 4.

 

[love_them_kings]

We have a myriad of questions and very, very, very few answers.

The KINGS (the team as we've known it the past several years) are dead.

Long live the Kings (or whatever reincarnation of them we can possibly hope for.)

There is no quick fix. There is no ONE single move that can put us back at the top of the heap. It ain't gonna happen. The best we can hope for right now is that Geoff Petrie is, like a chess master, looking at a picture down the road that is simply still to blurry for the rest of us neophytes to focus on.

I'm hoping for an interesting offseason, but I agree with you that right now we have more questions than answers.

I've always trusted GP (agree that letting JimmyJ go was flat out dumb, though, but suspect that may have been Maloofs tightening the purse strings) but it is absolutely mind boggling to me what he might pull out of his hat to make things come together in the next year or two. I know I accept that we may have a couple, or a few, mediocre years as we rebuild, but is that really what GP had in mind?? Because, like Brick mentioned in another thread, 2 years from now you could get a lot for CWebb because people want an expiring contract. I think there must be some short term plan in mind, but can't, for the life of me, figure out what it is.

My other concern is that this could be a devastating time to become mediocre. If you think getting public support for a new arena was looking like a long shot when we were trying to contend, just wait & see what happens if we miss the playoffs.... But, hopefully it won't come to that.

 

[slugking50]

Maybe Geoff could just put up a bulletin board message:

"Dear fellow GMs. I will trade all my slow white guys for something else. Pedrag, Ostertag, Miller, Songalia. Asking Kevin Garnett obo. Please call 1-800-GOK-INGS Thank you in advance for your thoughtful consideration. Geoff."

No I disagree. Geoff Petrie would atleast say Pedja's first name corectly. Its Predrag.

< Just exercizing one of my pet peeves... name and spelling mistakes for a guy whos been here 7 years>






In Petrie I trust!