Pete D'alesandro and Kenneth Faried's Relationship

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The_Jamal

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Spike said:
If you think Faried is worth 12/13, then I want some of your Kool-Aid.

Is Faried a good player? Sure. Did he dominate inferior FIBA competition? Fine. I would have liked to have seen him against a standard front line, you know, like the ones he goes up against in the NBA. He really wanted to prove himself against Spain, but alas, did not get the opportunity.

He's a scrapper and a hustler, and that's great. It's why he has his fans, but everything he does directly contradicts what we need the PF playing next to Cousins to do.
It's time to stop collecting random assets - we need the pieces to fit now.
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Scrapper and Hustler? That's Quincy Acy. Faried is the epitome of role player and has shown it through his consistency the last 3 seasons.

What people really need to do is stop hoping for the pipe dream of Serge Ibaka/Anthony Davis or cloning one of them to come play next to Cousins. It's not going to happen. So you look for ways to gain an advantage and a Faried-Cuz frontline would be a deadly rebounding duo and a high energy/hustle/compete duo. A big reason we started playing a bit of defense last season the second we traded for Reggie Evans is we started to become a dominant rebounding team and became extremely physical in the paint. Faried brings that same mentality as Reggie Evans and slightly worse rebounding skill, but as a guy who can also give you an effective 10-12 PPG offensively.

As far as the defense thing goes...When is the last time anyone in Denver ever played defense? 30-40 years? longer? Faried strikes me as a guy who you can plug into a good defensive system and he'd be just fine moving forward.

As far as a contract goes, I wouldn't break the bank for him, but I'd consider him stellar value at $6-$8 mil/year
 
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The_Jamal

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Bricklayer said:
Yeah, that's the problem. He's actually not much better of a fit than Reggie Evans right now. And what Denver/Shaw has him working on is developing some post game, which still isn't going to make him a fit.

Now if he could either a) go from a minus to a + defender; or b) become a consistent midrange faceup jumpshooter, then he could fit. The boarding/hustle is useful and gives him value on any team, but since the very top two traits to put next to a great center are defense and midrage J on offense, and he has neither, its hardly a perfect fit.
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I challenge you to find a Denver roster that's played defense in the past 30 years.

You honestly don't think Faried, in a good defensive system would pick it up right away? He's also by far been the best big on the Denver teams and been relied upon for a majority of the teams scoring production and rebounding. I'd see playing with Cousins opening his game right up and allowing him to do his Manimal thing.
 
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swisshh

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Faried isn't a shot blocker or a shooter. He's an intense energy guy who hops and flies his way to dunks and layups and putbacks. He's super Reggie Evans. Paul Milsap is more of what you want.
 
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The_Jamal

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swisshh said:
Faried isn't a shot blocker or a shooter. He's an intense energy guy who hops and flies his way to dunks and layups and putbacks. He's super Reggie Evans. Paul Milsap is more of what you want.
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Why would you want an offensively gifted PF who doesn't provide any defense or rebounding? I'd take Faried in both areas rather easily and he's a guy who's content not getting shots. Millsap is a great player, but he's a guy you want if you don't have a DeMarcus Cousins leading the league in USG% in the paint already.
 
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sdballer

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The_Jamal said:
Why would you want an offensively gifted PF who doesn't provide any defense or rebounding? I'd take Faried in both areas rather easily and he's a guy who's content not getting shots. Millsap is a great player, but he's a guy you want if you don't have a DeMarcus Cousins leading the league in USG% in the paint already.
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I agree with that, though I'd rather have other people over Faried at 10M+.
 
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The_Jamal

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sdballer said:
I agree with that, though I'd rather have other people over Faried at 10M+.
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Oh for sure. I'd rate him very similiar to IT in terms of contract value. Has tons of value to a team, but a few limitations prevent him from being a building block for a franchise.

I would love to see Faried in a system that can actually take advantage of his hustle and tenacity on the boards on the defensive end. He's really been underutilized in the Denver system
 
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swisshh

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The_Jamal said:
Why would you want an offensively gifted PF who doesn't provide any defense or rebounding? I'd take Faried in both areas rather easily and he's a guy who's content not getting shots. Millsap is a great player, but he's a guy you want if you don't have a DeMarcus Cousins leading the league in USG% in the paint already.
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Milsap provides rebounding and some defense. Not great D, but probably more than Faried. He can give you some weakside shotblocking. As Milsap's offensive game has better passing and shooting, he's a better fit overall. Neither are going to up your defense by themselves, but Faried is undersized in the NBA. He is also a Karl system type of player. He fills in for dunks and putbacks, but that's somewhat redundant with Cousins. Faried excels in the open court though.
 
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ESP47

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Not sure why Acy's name is being brought up. What was Acy good at again? Oh yeah dunking and yelling once in a while. The guy couldn't defend, rebound or score. Poor mans Reggie Evans and Reggie Evans is a poor mans Kenneth Faried.

I'd keep Evans over Faried based solely on the fact that Faried is going to make a ton of money and Evans wont. If Faried was going to take an average type salary, you take him all day every day regardless of whether he's a good fit next to Cousins or not. If you're going to have a bad fit next to Cousins either way, might as well get the most talented one.
 
TheBadGuy

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ESP47 said:
Not sure why Acy's name is being brought up. What was Acy good at again? Oh yeah dunking and yelling once in a while. The guy couldn't defend, rebound or score. Poor mans Reggie Evans and Reggie Evans is a poor mans Kenneth Faried.

I'd keep Evans over Faried based solely on the fact that Faried is going to make a ton of money and Evans wont. If Faried was going to take an average type salary, you take him all day every day regardless of whether he's a good fit next to Cousins or not. If you're going to have a bad fit next to Cousins either way, might as well get the most talented one.
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Atleast Acy has developed a mid range jumper and Faried is being given more minutes to play than Acy so you cannot really tell if Faried is better than Acy, I would only say that if they have the same playing time and maybe if Acy goes to a team where their system fits him well.
 
Bricklayer

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TheBadGuy said:
Atleast Acy has developed a mid range jumper and Faried is being given more minutes to play than Acy so you cannot really tell if Faried is better than Acy, I would only say that if they have the same playing time and maybe if Acy goes to a team where their system fits him well.
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Come on, I think you can very clearly say that Kenneth Faried is better than Quincy Acy.
 
Tetsujin

Tetsujin

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TheBadGuy said:
Atleast Acy has developed a mid range jumper and Faried is being given more minutes to play than Acy so you cannot really tell if Faried is better than Acy, I would only say that if they have the same playing time and maybe if Acy goes to a team where their system fits him well.
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I don't think there's any doubt that Faried is better than Acy. Fairly certain even Quincy Acy's beard would agree
 
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KingMilz

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The_Jamal said:
Why would you want an offensively gifted PF who doesn't provide any defense or rebounding? I'd take Faried in both areas rather easily and he's a guy who's content not getting shots. Millsap is a great player, but he's a guy you want if you don't have a DeMarcus Cousins leading the league in USG% in the paint already.
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From Wiki
He was the only player in NCAA basketball history to lead the nation in rebounding for three consecutive years
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- In regards to Milsap

Hawks season review http://www.nba.com/hawks/features/season-review-paul-millsap
On defense, Millsap was very strong against the pick-and-roll and post-ups, ranking 70th in the NBA in points per possession allowed in both of those categories, per Synergy Sports. He was active in rotations at the rim and was very good at getting in passing lanes to deflect or steal the ball. Millsap's 1.7 steals per game were good for ninth in the NBA this season, and his 101.9 defensive rating for the season was 20th best in the NBA, per Basketball-Reference.com.
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What? Milsap is a very solid rebounder he averaged 8.5 in 33mins last year which is not bad he also like Cousins averaged 1 steal + and 1 block per game, Milsap is also a high energy guy (well he was in Utah not as much on Hawks since he had to shoulder more of the scoring when Al went down). Faried is a better rebounder but defender I don't think so and as far as overall player they are not close and Faried will command a similar deal to Milsap imo.

Milsap came into the L as a hustler/rebounder but he really worked hard and developed his offensive game the dude goes hard and is actually skilled/tough and can excel in the playoffs/half court game something I don't ever see in Faried.

Maybe it's wishful thinking by me but I think Milsap is smart enough to adjust his game into more of a hustler type (with shooting and play-making) if he were put in a position to play with Cousins/Rudy.
 
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