Our Future PF/C - Tiago Splitter

['89 Kings Fan]

I think our best better for a defensive PF/C of the future is not actually in the NBA yet.

http://www.nba.com/draft2007/profiles/TiagoSplitter.html

Now the Spurs are horribly over the luxury tax threshold, and are currently tied for the 8th seed. By absorbing a little salary we should be able to get his rights.

Sacramento
->Andres Nocioni + Kenny Thomas + Ime Udoka
<-Josh Howard + Matt Carrol + Keyon Dooling + Denver's 2010 1st + Rights to Tiago Splitter

New Jersey
->Trenton Hassel + Keyon Dooling + Denver's 2010 1st
<-Kenny Thomas + Ian Mahimi

Dallas
->Josh Howard + Matt Carrol
<-Richard Jefferson + Michael Finley

San Antonio
->Richard Jefferson + Ian Mahimi + Michael Finley + Rights to Tiago Splitter
<-Andres Nocioni + Ime Udoka + Trenton Hassel

Why we do it:
We free up playing time on the Wings by trading Nocioni, get a 3rd string PG in Dooling when Sergio leaves in the offseason, break Nocioni's contract into two smaller contracts in Dooling and Carrol, get a late 1st rounder and our big man of the future. Josh Howard could then be immediately traded for someone else or we could just let his contract expire.

Why New Jersey does it:
This reduces their Cap Hit next season by $5 million allowing them to sign two max free agents.

Why San Antonio does it:
There are $10 Million reason San Antonio does it. By getting three defensive wings, their production will not fall off much by losing Jefferson and Finley and I cannot believe the owner will be willing to pay 10 million for the rights to give Tiago a contract next season. This will also save them $8 Million next season.

Why Dallas does it:
Kidd and Dirk are not getting any younger, so they give up two players who are giving them anything for a starting SF. Added bonus is that Kidd is very familiar with Jefferson's game. This also allows Finley to retire a Mav, all for only taking about $1 Million in extra salary.

 

[Nighthawk1]

Good idea but... No way are they trading Finley and Richard Jefferson. Spurs love both guys. Really no team has incentive to change their players except the Kings.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The idea of Splitter is intriguing. He's not terribly young (will turn 25 this season) but has good size. I'm not immediately grabbed by his rebounding totals (about 5 per game the past few years) but Euroleague stats are hard to gauge.

One disadvantage that the Spurs have in bringing him over is that they would be stuck paying him the rookie scale for his contract because they won't have any cap room to give him more without dumping off Jefferson/McDyess AND renouncing Ginobili - I don't imagine they'll want to renounce Manu, but maybe they will. With that knowledge in hand, he might be available, and we should have the cap room to make him a reasonable offer if we don't take on any more salary. Then the question becomes one of how badly he wants to come to the NBA.

The above trade is probably too complicated. But the idea is at least worth exploring.

 

[NoBonus]

Wow! This trade works on paper!
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5314599

Must have taken forever to develop.

 

[USNAVY15]

A rookie is a rookie, thats the way the cookie crumbles. We have no need for more youth. Splitter hasn't shown an interest in the NBA, and if he didn't hop the pond yet, it is unlikely he ever will, prime earning years and whatnot. good idea but i dont see it happening.

 

[anafree]

The idea of Splitter is intriguing. He's not terribly young (will turn 25 this season) but has good size. I'm not immediately grabbed by his rebounding totals (about 5 per game the past few years) but Euroleague stats are hard to gauge.

One disadvantage that the Spurs have in bringing him over is that they would be stuck paying him the rookie scale for his contract because they won't have any cap room to give him more without dumping off Jefferson/McDyess AND renouncing Ginobili - I don't imagine they'll want to renounce Manu, but maybe they will. With that knowledge in hand, he might be available, and we should have the cap room to make him a reasonable offer if we don't take on any more salary. Then the question becomes one of how badly he wants to come to the NBA.

The above trade is probably too complicated. But the idea is at least worth exploring.

Bad idea. Splitter is signed with CAHA LABORAL trough 2012. And Spurs see him next thing for franchise. But if we are looking for gays playing Euroleague I'd take attention on Timofey Mozgov (216) from Khimky ( Russia), Aleksandar Maric (211) from Partyzan (Serbia) and Vladimir Golubovic (212) from Ljublana. All of them are tall, strong physically that could block shots and take rebounds.
Unfortunately, best pospects playing in Europe still has been drafted: Pekovic by Minnesota, Lorbek by Indiana, Splitter - San-Antonio. And I see no possibilities to sign them. But I mean that Mozgov can be available this summer and he surely deserves the shot

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Brilliant.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Bad idea. Splitter is signed with CAHA LABORAL trough 2012.

Can you provide a link for this? The only information I can find (through Wikipedia and across several Spurs boards) suggests that he is only under contract through 2010.

And Spurs see him next thing for franchise.

Perhaps they do, but Splitter has already chased the money once rather than come to the NBA. The problem for the Spurs is that as it stands right now, the team will not have any salary cap space next summer. If my reading of the CBA is correct, the Spurs can either offer him a rookie scale contract (too low, he wouldn't take it) or they can make an offer using their cap space (which they don't have, so they can't offer), but they do not appear to have the option of giving him Mid-Level Exception money.

A team with salary cap space (for instance, the Kings) could offer Splitter enough money to get him over here. As it stands now, the Spurs can't. They have the option of holding on to him as he gets older and older while they try to get cap space to bring him over, or to trade his rights for what value they can get. Splitter isn't getting any younger. If he is in fact available to be signed in 2010, the Spurs may feel some pressure to trade his rights.

 

[Merdiesel]

While I do appreciate the level of detail you put forth for this, Josh Howard one of the few clowns in the NBA I absolutely do not want to see in a Kings uni. Hes a disgrace.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

sounds good but too many bodies involved and it only takes one person to say no to the trade to mess it up. blockbuster trades normally don't happen bc they are complicated

 

['89 Kings Fan]

While I do appreciate the level of detail you put forth for this, Josh Howard one of the few clowns in the NBA I absolutely do not want to see in a Kings uni. Hes a disgrace.

We would either trade him immediately in another trade or pull a Tim Thomas and tell him to stay home.


http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q42

It has been three years so we do not have to use the rookie scale to sign him. We can use cap space or MLE.

As far as too many players, we could eliminate New Jersey. However they were included to make it more palatable to the Maloofs as it reduces the amount of salary taken on this year.

The Spurs are going to trade his rights to someone this year, (Luis Scola part 2) might as well be us.

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Good idea but... No way are they trading Finley and Richard Jefferson. Spurs love both guys. Really no team has incentive to change their players except the Kings.

Money talks, Peter Holt is not paying $90 Million in salaries (80 + 10 for the Luxury Tax) for an 8th seed team. That is more than his net work according to wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Holt

The only way to really reduce Salary will be to trade Jefferson. The only other players making money are Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu.

 

[Nighthawk1]

The spurs clearly made the move to sign jefferson though to go after a title - I don't think they abandon ship after ~20 games... his net worth has little to do with it other then if he wants to actually pay the luxury tax. They get vastly worse talent wise by doing this trade

 

[drboiffard]

It's a beast. A sure bet.

It's not very young but he can be almost as dominant in the paint as Marc Gasol is being this year. He averages 16 pt in 24minutes, and that in FIBA basketball is A LOT. (There is no 3s rule in D, it's other game)

I don't know the contract he has with Caja Laboral, is until 2012. But the real point is people here usualy has a buyout, I couldn't find the exact quantity but here it says he has some clausules to facilitate the exit since this year (in theory) if is to NBA.

http://www.solobasket.com/contenido...litter/renueva/cuatro/temporadas/c-18126.html

At the end:

A su vez, el Tau ha comunicado que Tiago Splitter ha renovado su contrato para cuatro temporadas más, con una cláusula de posible salida a la NBA después de la segunda.

The team has comunicated that Splitter has renewed his contract for 4 more seasons (that was last year, so it's this year and 2 more) with a clausule for the posible exit to NBA after second (that's this year).

I'd go for him next summer. He's very experienced in very top FIBA competition and it's NBA-ready; has played finals, playoffs, Euroleague...

 

[drboiffard]

His stats are really, really good.

http://www.baskonia.com/es/miembro_equipo.asp?id=25&id_plantilla=1

 

[drboiffard]

Compare with Scola stats (he played in the same team Splitter plays right now) and do the math.

http://www.acb.com/stsacumjug.php?cod_jugador=A3C

Scola stats were similar (6 assist 16 point, but 24 minutes). But if he ends up next year, Splitter would arrive with 25 instead of arriving with 27