Ostertag Starter?

[16to93]

Yes, as soon as TAg came in we started cutting into the lead. That's why he's good OFF THE BENCH, not why he would be a good starter.

Do you not understand that TAG simply isn't in good enough condition to play an entire game?

Wouldn't you rather have him in reserve to help at the end instead of using him up at first and NOT having him in the stretch when he can do the most good?

P.S. You have to win 16 games to win the title. You have to win 4 in the first round, 4 in the second round, 4 in the WC finals and then 4 in the NBA finals. That adds up to 16, not 17.

I thought you were talking about how many games we would have to play to win the NBA Title. Not how many wins.

Well if you saw that as soon as he came in that we were cutting down the lead, wouldn't you rather have that at the begining of the game?

 

[tyrant]

hmmmmmmmm. i chose skinner to start, but i change my mind. i definately think that greg ostertag would be better in this series than brian skinner. only because greg ostertag is a bigger and stronger defender in the post. skinner is a better help defender because he can get over quickly and block shots. the tandem of miller and ostertag would be best because we need greg's body in the paint and we need miller because he's a part of our instant offense.

ostertag
miller
peja
cuttino
mike

 

[16to93]

hmmmmmmmm. i chose skinner to start, but i change my mind. i definately think that greg ostertag would be better in this series than brian skinner. only because greg ostertag is a bigger and stronger defender in the post. skinner is a better help defender because he can get over quickly and block shots. the tandem of miller and ostertag would be best because we need greg's body in the paint and we need miller because he's apart of our instant offense.

ostertag
miller
peja
cuttino
mike

I mean everyon knows that tag5/miller4 is way better than skinner5/thomas4

 

[AriesMar27]

I mean everyon knows that tag5/miller4 is way better than skinner5/thomas4

not just better but taller too.... like there's a difference? lol....

 

[tyrant]

lets hope brad miller stars on tuesday and if greg doesnt start lets hope he gets in early 1st quarter. if skinner isnt doing well

 

[BigWaxer]

Skinner has been playing pretty poorly the last 2 weeks or so. I would expect Brad to start next game.

 

[6th]

At first I thought this was a silly thread, but the more people have gotten involved, I see there is great argument on both sides. I really think it comes down to our opponent.

With Seattle, I want Tag starting with Brad at the 4. That way we have a defender and someone to provide offense. No offense to Kenny, but he has not played well of late, so we need Brad at the 4. Tag will tire quickly. Okay, then play him 5 min then switch Brad over to the 5 and bring in Kenny. I think Kenny will put forth more effort when he comes in since he wants to prove he should be the starter. After Tag has rested, let him come back in for the last 3 min of the qtr and rest Brad. Okay, now play Skinner at the 5 with Brad at the 4. Again we have a defender/shot blocker with someone who can play offense.

The point is RA has many many options available to him with the players he has. He simply needs to be flexible. He has already shown some signs of flexibility, but I want to see more. When someone is having a bad game, such as Bibby and Bobby did yesterday, then RA must be willing to set them on the bench. He has a lot of talent lanquishing there while others who just don't have it continue to underperform. Be even more flexible, Rick!

Lastly, do not ever play Corliss/Kenny at the 5/4. Midget ball will not beat the Sonics (or anyone else for that matter). Yes! Size matters.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Brick and LP are both reading my mind on this one.

Hey Celt, if you don't mind can you think about your credit card numbers for a second?

 

[6th]

Hey Celt, if you don't mind can you think about your credit card numbers for a second?

ROFLOL!!


LPKingsFan owes me a keyboard. That caught me totally off guard.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Hey Celt, if you don't mind can you think about your credit card numbers for a second?

that would maybe get you a cup of coffee before the repo men found you!!!!!

 

[KP]

With Seattle, I want Tag starting with Brad at the 4.

I agree^. Skinner, and Kenny, both dissapointed me along with other things we did, but I'm not sure about either of these guys exicuting in playoff situations. I think it's pretty clear that a frontline of Skinner and Thomas is NOT a good rebounding lineup(at least not against Seattle). They grabbed some offensive rebs along with everyone else on our team, but when we got stops defensively,we couldn't get the ball back! It was ridiculous!! The trade did nothing to make that situation better, nothing. Tag was like an Angel from Heaven when he entered the game, Brad too. Even if Tag doesn't start he should def get more minutes. Skinner is either hurt, or just not playing well right now... and there is no time to figure out which...

 

[16to93]

With Seattle, I want Tag starting with Brad at the 4. That way we have a defender and someone to provide offense. No offense to Kenny, but he has not played well of late, so we need Brad at the 4. Tag will tire quickly. Okay, then play him 5 min then switch Brad over to the 5 and bring in Kenny. I think Kenny will put forth more effort when he comes in since he wants to prove he should be the starter. After Tag has rested, let him come back in for the last 3 min of the qtr and rest Brad. Okay, now play Skinner at the 5 with Brad at the 4. Again we have a defender/shot blocker with someone who can play offense.

in all those line-ups at the 5 and 4 u didnt even mention darius
not saying its bad just pointin out that we have even more options

 

[6th]

in all those line-ups at the 5 and 4 u didnt even mention darius
not saying its bad just pointin out that we have even more options

My next sentence was, "The point is RA has many many options available to him with the players he has." I only gave a few options. You are correct. I hadn't even gotten to the use of Darius options. I could have gone on forever.

 

[iheartBrad]

At first I thought this was a silly thread, but the more people have gotten involved, I see there is great argument on both sides. I really think it comes down to our opponent.

With Seattle, I want Tag starting with Brad at the 4. That way we have a defender and someone to provide offense. No offense to Kenny, but he has not played well of late, so we need Brad at the 4. Tag will tire quickly. Okay, then play him 5 min then switch Brad over to the 5 and bring in Kenny. I think Kenny will put forth more effort when he comes in since he wants to prove he should be the starter. After Tag has rested, let him come back in for the last 3 min of the qtr and rest Brad. Okay, now play Skinner at the 5 with Brad at the 4. Again we have a defender/shot blocker with someone who can play offense.

The point is RA has many many options available to him with the players he has. He simply needs to be flexible. He has already shown some signs of flexibility, but I want to see more. When someone is having a bad game, such as Bibby and Bobby did yesterday, then RA must be willing to set them on the bench. He has a lot of talent lanquishing there while others who just don't have it continue to underperform. Be even more flexible, Rick!

Lastly, do not ever play Corliss/Kenny at the 5/4. Midget ball will not beat the Sonics (or anyone else for that matter). Yes! Size matters.

I agree. Actually I was thinking about this very thing during the first timeout commercial break...I agree it does matter the series...but in this series...that what you have mentioned might just be in the best bet..at first I was thinking "well what about Kenny" but then I agree he'll probably be pissed that he's not starting and play better from the get go when finally entering the game off the bench...I think it's a good idea...but will it happen....???

 

[LPKingsFan]

I think start Tag or Brad, but not both. That way at any given time you have one 7 foot whose not in shape on the floor, and then paired with the undersized power forward. Parings should be Tag with Thomas/Darius, and Brad with Skinner to get the right defense and offense balance. If things really hit the fan, go with the Tag/Miller combo, but I don't think either is in good enough shape yet.

That said, everything changes soon as Miller gets into the swing of things and Tag gets into game shape.

 

[ParniValjak]

Its not about who starts but who is on the court in crunch time. Tag is nowhere near fit enough to play big minutes but he can be a big impact player coming off the bench. When the other team gets a bit of a run on then we should throw Tag in there to scare the living daylights out of the opposition.

I am also not against playin Tag and Miller at the same time when the need arises

 

[SacTownKid]

No, of course there's not an unwritten rule you're not familiar with...

Is there a good reason Adelman shouldn't have Tag start and then bring in Miller or Skinner? Well, yes. After watching the game tonight, I can think of at least a couple but they're no more cast in stone than your concept that we should establish a "no layups, no dunks" mentality at the outset. Under that guideline, we wouldn't have Miller as our starter...

My main objection to this is that whenever a role player has a good night, someone invariably decides they should become a starter. Granted, some people may think revolving door starters is a good idea but role players are role players for a reason. A lot of times it's because they aren't good enough to be the STARTERS. Starters are the main players - they're the A list. I didn't dream it up; that's the way things are in the NBA.

This person decided we should start Tag at the 5 over Skinner because he had one good night...as a role player coming off the bench when he was needed most.

It's going to be moot before long, because as soon as Adelman feels Brad can start, HE will start - and I don't think it will be too much longer.

Greg Ostertag is a starting quality center in this league. He has played in 2 NBA championship series and he came out poised and ready to go last night. He looked very confident and I am proud of the guy. Brad at the 4 and Tag at the 5 is looking better and better to me.

 

[SacTownKid]

Does anyone else think it's prety freeking funny that last summer when GP let Vlade go and then signed Tag this forum was covered with threads about how dumb that was, and about how much Tag sucked. (Yes some of us DID say we would need him for the paly offs) Now here we are after teh firs paly off game and we get a thread calling for Tag to start...

No coincidence my friend, none at all.

 

[BigSong]

RA should make Tag pay for his physical idleness this year and run him to the ground with 25 min/game. heck, like quick dog said he'll probably foul out before he collapses.

 

[Raci]

I think not,but against James he is perfect solutions.

 

[RageMe11]

I didn't get to read this whole thread, but i think that we need to put o-tag in when J. James is in, they are both big and almost cancel eachother out. Did you see how many times that guy went over people's backs...a little harder to do with o-tag in there i think, man tuesday cannot come quicker....i want green and yellow blood on the king's hands!!!!!!!whoooo....sorry....did i just say that? I went blank for a sec.

 

[Bartking]

Just don't see any reason to allow Jerome James to pound us just based on size alone, and if you come out and confront him from the opening tip, think there's a good chance he never gets into rhythm and becomes a probelm.

Seattle was nervous and missed their first 4 or 5 shots. Unfortunately for us, they kept getting rebounds until they were able to make a shot. I don't see any reason for us to allow them this kind of start when we've got 5 million bucks of O-tag on the bench.

When O-tag is in, the Seattle guards dribble THROUGH the lane and keep going, instead of looking like Michael Jordan doing a layup drill. They know that he's big enough and a little bit clumsy, so that when he lays the lumber on them, bad things could happen. FREE TAG!!!