Ok Geoff Whats Next? Trades and Deals !

[sactownfan]

real quick how many of you thought that when Mia took jason smith that he was headed to the kings? wow that was a cruel joke. I thought Ron, Bibby or both were headed outa town.

ok Hawes is like are Bynum young and growing. maybe cause hes willing to work hard unlike our other center he becomes great? who knows its to early to tell. Im just glad we didnt draft a Tweener again, it could have been worse.

to with the draft outa the way. i figure right now Geoff is not dealing for anymore bad contracts and knows that right now, our trading pieces stock is way down. maybe now isnt the time to sell. Its well known that the kings were all about trading ron. but were not going to give him away. Hes our best player as sad as that is. We need value for him. If a great deal comes up that will better our team im sure Geoff will pull the trigger. but we cant afford to make our team worse even at the cost of dealing artest. his time will come, we all know it. Heck im sure even the voice in his head is tellin him hes gonna get the boot here sooner than later. so im not worried maybe Reggie can get half a season of steller play outa him and then Petrie can deal him to a could be contender or team trying to make a push for the playoffs and get more out of this deal.

as for bibby he couldnt play worse..... could he? probably not, so maybe we give him half a season to pull it together and trade him to.

who knows maybe these guys are gone before the season starts. Who cares
its not like we were going anywhere next year anyway.

Hawes dont make me regret this............ WELCOME SPENCER HAWES GOOD LUCK, PRACTICE, WORK HARD, DONT BE MILLER#2 !

Bibby can be traded July 1st.

 

[BMiller52]

We'll probably keep the same stupid team dude. Nobody wants a 1 legged Reef, Geoff won't give Artest/Bibby up unless he gets 100% value back, Miller's contract is horrible, and nobody wants Thomas.

 

[jimbodan]

I'm going to remain optimistic about trades until after the trade deadline. If we still stink and have the same team after the deadline as we do now then I will start to really get upset. Hopefully Petrie is waiting until the season is underway in order for some of our players to increase their value more before he starts dealing them. I just really hope that we don't try to fix this mess with more veteran bandages.

 

[Warhawk]

Hawes dont make me regret this............ WELCOME SPENCER HAWES GOOD LUCK, PRACTICE, WORK HARD, DONT BE MILLER#2 !

And I just don't get this - the kid is 19 and already has a very nice post game and is a good shooter with good handles with both hands. If he can do this AND resemble Miller of a few years ago (high IQ, good passing center, a little toughness in the paint and setting picks) I am VERY happy with the pick. This kid is young and will grow into his own in a couple years. Let's give him the chance.

 

[Smills91]

Well Michael Jordan is an idiot, let's targert Charlotte..they want NBA ready vets to catapult them into relevance...why not do a Brad Miller for Gerald Wallace sign and trade and look to move Artest to a team that can give us a PG/C type.

 

[Bricklayer]

Well Michael Jordan is an idiot, let's targert Charlotte..they want NBA ready vets to catapult them into relevance...why not do a Brad Miller for Gerald Wallace sign and trade and look to move Artest to a team that can give us a PG/C type.

You are jsut beign ridiculous.

Jaosn Richardson is a star. A young star. Brad Miller is not. And Brandon Wright is not ready. Meanwhile Gerald very mcuh is. Jordan has been an idiot in the past, but that was a major score. Going into the draft their weakest position might have been OG (depending on what you call Okafor), and suddenly they come up with a Top 10 guy there. 4 down, 1 to go.

 

[Rockmeister]

And I just don't get this - the kid is 19 and already has a very nice post game and is a good shooter with good handles with both hands. If he can do this AND resemble Miller of a few years ago (high IQ, good passing center, a little toughness in the paint and setting picks) I am VERY happy with the pick. This kid is young and will grow into his own in a couple years. Let's give him the chance.

This pretty much describes a good offense type game. However, what about the defense. He averaged 6.4 rebounds. Is that really good for a 7'1" center?

 

[Smills91]

You are jsut beign ridiculous.

Jaosn Richardson is a star. A young star. Brad Miller is not. And Brandon Wright is not ready. Meanwhile Gerald very mcuh is. Jordan has been an idiot in the past, but that was a major score. Going into the draft their weakest position might have been OG (depending on what you call Okafor), and suddenly they come up with a Top 10 guy there. 4 down, 1 to go.

I know, I'm just pissed that Jordan is so short-sighted and SIGNIFICANTLY helps out one of our divisional rivals, who I despise. I personally would have offered Kevin Martin for the #8 pick.

Hawes/BWright/Salmons/Garcia/Douby or Price

is a VERY nice core in the future.

 

[Smills91]

This pretty much describes a good offense type game. However, what about the defense. He averaged 6.4 rebounds. Is that really good for a 7'1" center?

The college game also has fewer possession and shots(fewer shots/possessions = less rebounds available)..they have a 35 second shot clock, only play 40 minutes and usually play more zone defense which hampers defensive rebounds.

He was sick for a large portion of the year and had a super stud rebounder next to him in the Huskie line-up.

Also go back and look at most freshmen big men's rebounding stats...Hawes was better than the likes of Horford, Noah, Wright, and many others.

He's only 19 and played 28 minutes a game with a 35 second shot while have to deal with an illness that had him lose 20 some odd pounds during the season.

He was tied for 70th as a FRESHMAN in # of blocked shots. So he's not a stiff, he's not Ben Wallace, but he'll be adequate. Our shot block specialist is Justin Williams, Hawes is our all-around starting Center for the next decade.

In his prime I can easily see Hawes average 16-20 points/10+ rebounds/3-4 assists/1.5 blocks

He'll be an all-star Center in his prime IMO.

 

[Miles and Miles]

The Knicks have too many bigs so somebody call them. Is David Lee available?

 

[Kingster]

This pretty much describes a good offense type game. However, what about the defense. He averaged 6.4 rebounds. Is that really good for a 7'1" center?

And if we got Noah, then we'd have a center who could rebound and block shots and who couldn't shoot worth a lick. So, it's not as if we lost out on "All World." They both have issues.

 

[Spike]

True, his shot makes Shawn Marion look like a silky-smooth jump shooter.

 

[Rockmeister]

And if we got Noah, then we'd have a center who could rebound and block shots and who couldn't shoot worth a lick. So, it's not as if we lost out on "All World." They both have issues.

I would have picked Noah in a heartbeat over Hawes.

 

[LA King Fan II]

I've felt for some time trading Martin (who IMO will never be as good as Jason Richardson in no shape or form) was the only means for moving up in the draft and/or scoring a decent talent. We're stockpiled at the position and he was expendable. Now he'd better be the best all around player on the team -- not just best scorer.

Artest for the #20 would have been a good deal at this point. Bibby for a pick would have been good too. Nada -- we probably asked for way more.

The biggest problem with the Kings is that Reggie Theus may well feel he can deal with Artest and wants to keep him. From my standpoint the "fun basketball" I was drawn to for the last 8 years will be officially dead and I'll be able to dislodge myself from my strange allegiance to this team.

The lack of athleticism has been an obvious hurt even when Webber was here (after Wallace gone). To draft Hawes is practically a commitment to not keeping up with the changing game. He might be a nice player, but guys are flying up-down-and around these days. Everyone except the Kings that is. King vs Knicks this year ---- who will win more?

 

[TaxMan]

The lack of athleticism has been an obvious hurt even when Webber was here (after Wallace gone). To draft Hawes is practically a commitment to not keeping up with the changing game. He might be a nice player, but guys are flying up-down-and around these days.

To insinuate that skill players are irrelevant in the league is a bit much. The Spurs are probably one of the most boring teams to watch, but they are loaded with skill. Yes, the current wave is the up and down game, but that does not mean it will win championships.

 

[CaminoChaos]

This pretty much describes a good offense type game. However, what about the defense. He averaged 6.4 rebounds. Is that really good for a 7'1" center?

I think because he played next to Brockman, who averaged nearly 10 rebounds a game, effected his rebounding.

 

[CaminoChaos]

I've felt for some time trading Martin (who IMO will never be as good as Jason Richardson in no shape or form) was the only means for moving up in the draft and/or scoring a decent talent. We're stockpiled at the position and he was expendable. Now he'd better be the best all around player on the team -- not just best scorer.

Artest for the #20 would have been a good deal at this point. Bibby for a pick would have been good too. Nada -- we probably asked for way more.

The biggest problem with the Kings is that Reggie Theus may well feel he can deal with Artest and wants to keep him. From my standpoint the "fun basketball" I was drawn to for the last 8 years will be officially dead and I'll be able to dislodge myself from my strange allegiance to this team.

The lack of athleticism has been an obvious hurt even when Webber was here (after Wallace gone). To draft Hawes is practically a commitment to not keeping up with the changing game. He might be a nice player, but guys are flying up-down-and around these days. Everyone except the Kings that is. King vs Knicks this year ---- who will win more?

I wouldn't call the Spurs athletic and they're pretty good.

 

[nbrans]

To insinuate that skill players are irrelevant in the league is a bit much. The Spurs are probably one of the most boring teams to watch, but they are loaded with skill. Yes, the current wave is the up and down game, but that does not mean it will win championships.

The Spurs also have top-notch ATHLETES on their team, in addition to being very skilled. CaminoChaos, I strenuously disagree. Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen (quickness more than leaping ability) and Tim Duncan are all top-notch athletes, and that's before they bring in the old guys who still have a spring in their step like Elson, Horry and Finley. Even Oberto is a pretty decent athlete. The only guy on that team who can't really move is Brent Barry, and he's just a jump shooter.

I really think people are missing out on what's happening in the league. The Warriors beat the Mavs because they were able to blow them off the floor with their athleticism. The Jazz have good athletes at every position and were able to wear down the slow-footed Rockets.

The league has gotten incredibly more athletic in the last five years, but we're stuck in the stone age.

 

[CaminoChaos]

The Spurs also have top-notch ATHLETES on their team, in addition to being very skilled. CaminoChaos, I strenuously disagree. Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen (quickness more than leaping ability) and Tim Duncan are all top-notch athletes, and that's before they bring in the old guys who still have a spring in their step like Elson, Horry and Finley. Even Oberto is a pretty decent athlete. The only guy on that team who can't really move is Brent Barry, and he's just a jump shooter.

I really think people are missing out on what's happening in the league. The Warriors beat the Mavs because they were able to blow them off the floor with their athleticism. The Jazz have good athletes at every position and were able to wear down the slow-footed Rockets.

The league has gotten incredibly more athletic in the last five years, but we're stuck in the stone age.

I don't think that athleticism is as important than skill. You do however need a good balance but if you were to build a team of the most skilled players and a team of the most athletic players. The skilled players team would be far more dominate.

 

[TaxMan]

I don't think that athleticism is as important than skill. You do however need a good balance but if you were to build a team of the most skilled players and a team of the most athletic players. The skilled players team would be far more dominate.

I agree with that. I wasn't trying to imply the spurs were not athletic. However, the point being that they do not play the style that most associate with the "new bread" in the NBA (i.e. Suns, Warriors, etc.)

 

[BMiller52]

There isn't any evidence saying we'll make multiple moves. I don't think it'll happen...

 

[Tommy_B]

How To Get It Done!

In order for the King's to get rid of The Guys they have and get a decent team we Need Partners that have Cap issues(Phenoix/Denver) and Teams that have Room(Charlotte/Memphis).

We Know denver wants to dump Camby and Kenyon Martin but they could use Millier to fill the void thoes departures would leave.

How about This... K-Mart to Memphis/ B. Miller to Denver/and Gasol to Sacramento. There wold have to be some additional stuff but It might work.

Another Deal I would try is Bibby to Clevland for Damon Jones + Eric Snow(who we could deal to somebody else).

The Big Problem with the King's is I belive Petrie has no overall vision of where this team needs to go to be a champion, we need to fire him,Now.

 

[captain bill]

In order for the King's to get rid of The Guys they have and get a decent team we Need Partners that have Cap issues(Phenoix/Denver) and Teams that have Room(Charlotte/Memphis).

We Know denver wants to dump Camby and Kenyon Martin but they could use Millier to fill the void thoes departures would leave.

How about This... K-Mart to Memphis/ B. Miller to Denver/and Gasol to Sacramento. There wold have to be some additional stuff but It might work.

Another Deal I would try is Bibby to Clevland for Damon Jones + Eric Snow(who we could deal to somebody else).

The Big Problem with the King's is I belive Petrie has no overall vision of where this team needs to go to be a champion, we need to fire him,Now.

I think you figured it out. Geoff's real problem is that he lacks the vision to turn Brad Miller into Pau Gasol. He should be fired immediately.

 

[nbrans]

The Kings need a young power forward who can shoot from outside to compliment Hawes' interior game. They need someone who's super-athletic and can block shots to make up for Hawes' defensive deficiencies.

They need someone like... Amir Johnson.

Please make this happen.

 

[Heuge]

On a summer league roster Hawes and Justin Williams will rock together.

 

[Rowdyone]

The Spurs also have top-notch ATHLETES on their team, in addition to being very skilled. CaminoChaos, I strenuously disagree. Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen (quickness more than leaping ability) and Tim Duncan are all top-notch athletes, and that's before they bring in the old guys who still have a spring in their step like Elson, Horry and Finley. Even Oberto is a pretty decent athlete. The only guy on that team who can't really move is Brent Barry, and he's just a jump shooter.

I really think people are missing out on what's happening in the league. The Warriors beat the Mavs because they were able to blow them off the floor with their athleticism. The Jazz have good athletes at every position and were able to wear down the slow-footed Rockets.

The league has gotten incredibly more athletic in the last five years, but we're stuck in the stone age.

I couldn't agree with you more. For years I've listened to folks on this board discuss the relative merits of basketball styles and whom we should get for our team to enhance our style, all without discussing where our competition , the Western Conference, was heading. I saw three years ago before the Suns acquired Steve Nash that they had taken the Old Kings (circa JWill) style and improved on it with more athletic players. The whole point to having an athletic team is to beat the other team to a spot that's under/ undefended for high percentage looks and knock 'em down...back to the basket, facing the basket, crossover move - all of this is irrelevant 90% of the time the way they play ball. Now, yes, they did ultimately lose to an unusually gifted blend of players from SA but how many TD's are there? Shaq is all but gone (and he's who we built our last team for) and TD will follow in a few years. It will take us that long to rebuild so I say build with fast athletes who can learn skills 'cause you can't teach speed and hops.

 

[BMiller52]

The Kings need a young power forward who can shoot from outside to compliment Hawes' interior game. They need someone who's super-athletic and can block shots to make up for Hawes' defensive deficiencies.

They need someone like... Amir Johnson.

Please make this happen.

Damn man I would even take Andray Blatche but yeah, AJ would be the perfect fit for us.

 

[cfechter]

I think this topic is somewhat acenine:

the only tradeable assets the Kings have (ones which could bring us value in return) are Kevin Martin and future first round picks. At this point, why consider trading our best young player and our future when we won't be in the top tier anyway?

I doubt Petrie will sign another veteran to the MLE, it would just add more salary to an already bloated lineup. I think we're probably stuck with the roster we have (Ron ARtest excluded) for the next few years, guys. I think we should do the best we can to compete with the guys we have, but I doubt we'll see any moves due to the fact that we're not competing anyway and why add another rotation vet like Salmons or SAR.

 

[Bricklayer]

The athletic card can only be played so far. Teh great power teams do NOT have terribly athletic front lines. Its yet another area where all the "the league is changing" screeching is more people's wishful thinkng and trying to talk it into being so. Tim Duncan and Oberto faced off this year with Big Z and Gooden, In the Conferecne Finals they ran through Webb and Sheed and Okur and Boozer. Last year it was Shaq and Haslem defeating Dirk and Dampier in the Finals. Some pretty good athletes there in spots, but just as many poor ones. Taken as a whole, probably below average as a group. Athleticism always always helps, it certinaly makes a major difference for upside. But clearly other factors have to be playing in just as much. Phoenix, who I think started the whole "everybody must be ahtletes" thing still hasn't won a damn thing, athletes or not.

 

[nbrans]

^I guess I don't really see that list as a particularly unathletic group, particularly if you include strength in the "athletic" catchall. All of those guys, with the exception of Big Z and Webber, are above-average, and Duncan, Gooden, Verejao, Sheed, Okur, Dirk, Dampier and Boozer are some of the most athletic/strongest bigs in the league.

It's not the be-all-end-all, but when this new crop of super-athletic bigs fans out into the league it's going to be pretty close.