Offseason shaping up as a mini-rebuild...and I like it.

[Prince_XY]

PDA for some non-sense reason wasted one of the two most important assets we have (in Evans) by replacing him with non-impact and non-defending players Landry and Vasquez. I have a feeling next season the last important asset we have (Cousins) will be next to be moved (or will be asking to be moved).

Yes, it is sort of a mini-rebuild for now and complete rebuild next season.

 

[Section 101]

And the truth comes bursting out in a moment of cringeworthy bitterness! People still occasionally bring up Rubio, and he never even played for us. If you're expecting all discussion of Tyreke to be stopped so soon, you should probably take a break from the forum.

And Evans talk should be moved to the NBA section just like every other player that has been traded.

 

[Glenn]

The transaction is done. Well, partly, as we still don't have his replacement and haven't used all the cap space.

But whether it was a good move or not and whether it sets back this team or not will take a couple years to figure out and will be talked about. The ramifications of the move are far from over. Actually, it's barely begun. This is like people saying two weeks after trading Webber there should be no Webber talk. That's ridiculous. Even someone less important in Daly, when we elected to replace him with Chuck was talked about for a long time. Why? The move/decision has a direct impact on our future. If people can't handle discussion, they probably shouldn't be spending time on an online forum based around discussion.

It's hypocritical when people suggest we need patience, to wait and see how everything shakes out, which means we can't judge moves until the future at which point they'll be talked about, then to say discussion on a topic should cease while it's well before the time frame to see how it pans out. And discussing the pros and cons of a move is what sports fans do, across all sports. You talk about transactions when they happen, then continue as the result unfolds. Why some here think that's different if you're a Kings fan is beyond me. Think NFL fans aren't talking about their signings and roster transformations right now? Think they're just silent until Sept rolls around? Think Cle fans stopped talking about Lebron two weeks after he left? Think Boston fans have stopped talked about losing KG/Pierce? Think LAL fans are done talking about losing Dwight? Think OKC fans don't still talk about Harden and that his replacement just signed with Minn? No, that discussion exists on all their forums.

OK. I am done talking about him. I'll return in a month. This is boring and was boring a year ago. Have fun, folks, and if any of you come to a conclusion, send me a PM.

 

[Glenn]

Excuse me, but I have a right to discuss any player I feel like especially when replying to what someone else say about that player. If you don't like that I'm talking about a player no longer on the Kings, then skip to the next post (I do it all the time). Keep in mind that you would also eliminate all posts about CWebb, Peja, Bibby, Vlade, etc. All of them are gone as well.

I'll use the "ignore." Ciao!

 

[pshn80]

Losing Tyreke makes this more than mini-rebuild. My best guess is we will start new people at three positions- PG, SG, and SF. That is significant. I would guess that if all works as expected by the FO, we would start Vasquez, McLemore and Mbah a Moute. The biggest question in my viewi would be McLemore. If its not him it would be Thornton or Salmons. A big change no matter how you slice it.

I would look for that change plus the new coaching staff to have an interesting impact on team play. I of course hope for more than a 25 to 30 win season but it may not happen. I do think ownership would expect at least a 5 win improvement over last year. You might say that they WILL get that improvement "at any cost". It will be fun to watch.

 

[Npliam]

Is that truthfully your conclusion or is this your typical trolling move?

I have never said anything to troll the board. I have a different perspective on many subjects here but I have not ever tried to be inflammatory. I do find it very interesting that Tyreke was at his statistical best when someone else was doing most of the ball handling and running of the "offense" ( I use the term loosely). I really think that most of the improvements in Tyrekes game were a direct result of not having that ball in his hands as much.

Tyreke is a good basketball player and good team mate. He played unselfishly and never complained about the his ever-changing role on the team but in my opinion he won't ever be the best or second best player on a contending team.

 

[Kingster]

Absolutely. This goes for people who want to gloat as to how bad he was and those who want to admire how great he was. What is done is done and Tyreke Evans is a Pelican. I was tired of the Tyreke arguments a year ago and I get the feeling some of you are having a very difficult time knowing what to ***** about now that he is gone. HE. IS. GONE. Further chest thumping can now occur in another topic and not Kings Rap.

Nice to hear it. Finally.

 

[Hallama]

Losing Tyreke makes this more than mini-rebuild. My best guess is we will start new people at three positions- PG, SG, and SF. That is significant. I would guess that if all works as expected by the FO, we would start Vasquez, McLemore and Mbah a Moute. The biggest question in my viewi would be McLemore. If its not him it would be Thornton or Salmons. A big change no matter how you slice it.

I would look for that change plus the new coaching staff to have an interesting impact on team play. I of course hope for more than a 25 to 30 win season but it may not happen. I do think ownership would expect at least a 5 win improvement over last year. You might say that they WILL get that improvement "at any cost". It will be fun to watch.

You may be right. The only reason I used "mini" was the Kings have a major piece in Cousins. But there realistically could be 4(!) new starters this season.

 

[kingwin]

Tyreke Evans @TyrekeEvans 13 Jul

"My life ain't rosy but I roll wit it"

 

[Kingsfan23]

I expect a lot of improvement from within with the vastly superior coaching I expect. Guys like Thornton or Hayes I feel can play under the right tutelage.

 

[VF21]

The season ticket holder has spoken.

I'm not a season ticket holder and I feel EXACTLY the same way. Tyreke Evans is a Pelican. I'm thinking we ought to start a new sub-forum just for all those who refuse to let go. Kind of an "I'm still in denial about Tyreke Evans leaving the Kings" thing where they could all talk about him forever as though he were still here.

And this is yet ANOTHER thread that has dissolved into a discussion/debate/argument amongst the same few posters about Tyreke Evans.

He's freaking gone. Get over it.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I'm not a season ticket holder and I feel EXACTLY the same way. Tyreke Evans is a Pelican. I'm thinking we ought to start a new sub-forum just for all those who refuse to let go. Kind of an "I'm still in denial about Tyreke Evans leaving the Kings" thing where they could all talk about him forever as though he were still here.

And this is yet ANOTHER thread that has dissolved into a discussion/debate/argument amongst the same few posters about Tyreke Evans.

He's freaking gone. Get over it.

With all due respect, you're acting as if it's the people who were against letting him go that are always the first to bring him up. That's just not accurate. He's brought up constantly both sides. Personally I'd be thrilled not to hear about him on this forum again just so I don't have to listen to the usual nonsense and inaccuracies about him. I'd love if people would just stop talking about him. But if someone says something taking a dig at him or just the usual unwarranted criticism, you can't expect people who wanted him to stay to ignore that. But threads evolving into the same tired argument is really getting old fast. How about a time period where infractions are handed out for bringing him up? I've got infracted for less!

 

[rainmaker]

How about a time period where infractions are handed out for bringing him up? I've got infracted for less!

Does that go for bringing up Vlade as well?

 

[Glenn]

With all due respect, you're acting as if it's the people who were against letting him go that are always the first to bring him up. That's just not accurate. He's brought up constantly both sides. Personally I'd be thrilled not to hear about him on this forum again just so I don't have to listen to the usual nonsense and inaccuracies about him. I'd love if people would just stop talking about him. But if someone says something taking a dig at him or just the usual unwarranted criticism, you can't expect people who wanted him to stay to ignore that. But threads evolving into the same tired argument is really getting old fast. How about a time period where infractions are handed out for bringing him up? I've got infracted for less!

It's both sides that bring him up. There seem to be a bunch of people who have little else to talk about.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Does that go for bringing up Vlade as well?

It was more tongue in cheek than anything else. You know how I feel about the Tyreke move, it was disastrous in my opinion. I'm not disagreeing. But almost every thread is descending into the same cycle. People will continue to think Tyreke is a ball-hog and can't shoot despite having the irrefutable facts pointed out to them, so there's literally no point engaging them anymore. I'd be delighted if I didn't have to listen to their gibberish anymore. I'm a Kings fan first and foremost, I can discuss Tyreke on other forums and during the season when we have an idea how the move turned out.

 

[Dime Dropper]

It's both sides that bring him up.

Yep, that's what I said! It's like a parody at this point... Everything that can be said has been said, multiple times. No one is going to change the minds of anyone else. Some people like to go on "feeling" or something, and others like to go on evidence and facts. That's the way it's always been, and the way it always will be. I'd rather discuss other things at this point.

 

[VF21]

With all due respect, you're acting as if it's the people who were against letting him go that are always the first to bring him up. That's just not accurate. He's brought up constantly both sides. Personally I'd be thrilled not to hear about him on this forum again just so I don't have to listen to the usual nonsense and inaccuracies about him. I'd love if people would just stop talking about him. But if someone says something taking a dig at him or just the usual unwarranted criticism, you can't expect people who wanted him to stay to ignore that. But threads evolving into the same tired argument is really getting old fast. How about a time period where infractions are handed out for bringing him up? I've got infracted for less!

Oh noes. Someone is taking a dig at a former King so it must be refuted? Yeah, whatever... Yes, I could "expect people who wanted him to stay to ignore (a chance to make one last glowing post about Evans)" the obvious but I'm pretty sure I'd end up being disappointed.

I've been on this board since 2001 and I cannot ever recall a tine when a player was deified by so many, primarily over his potential that may or may not ever be fully realized. It's just all irrelevant now. Evans isn't a King. We have some new players, new coaches, a new owner and a much brighter future than we did a year ago. Why the same circular argument has to be fought over and over again about a guy who went to a different team boggles my mind. It's not like Evans was the pre-injury Chris Webber.

My frustration isn't with which side brings him up - it's that he's ALWAYS being brought up, no matter what the discussion may initially be about. I don't care at this point whether it's to praise him or condemn him. Just let him reside in the NBA forum where he belongs and not polluting all kinds of threads in the Kings Rap forum. And, for the record, this is just me - VF21 Kings fan - speaking as just a fan, not a moderator. I - the fan - want to talk about the present and the future, two things Tyreke Evans isn't going to be involved in. Love him, hate him or don't give a damn - but please, in the name of the great God Naismith, give him a rest.

...Okay, I'm done with my PERSONAL fan rant.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I have no idea why, but for some reason you're biased on this VF.

Oh noes. Someone is taking a dig at a former King so it must be refuted? Yeah, whatever... Yes, I could "expect people who wanted him to stay to ignore (a chance to make one last glowing post about Evans)" the obvious but I'm pretty sure I'd end up being disappointed.

The problem lies primarily with whoever brings it up first, end of story. Why you would expect people to ignore inaccuracies is bizarre? This is a discussion forum. Methinks you're more on the other side and that's why you're laying more blame at the feet of the responders rather than the initiators. It doesn't make sense. And I'm not saying the detractors bring him up more often, just responding to the point above.

I've been on this board since 2001 and I cannot ever recall a tine when a player was deified by so many, primarily over his potential that may or may not ever be fully realized. It's just all irrelevant now. Evans isn't a King. We have some new players, new coaches, a new owner and a much brighter future than we did a year ago. Why the same circular argument has to be fought over and over again about a guy who went to a different team boggles my mind. It's not like Evans was the pre-injury Chris Webber.

Debateable from a roster point of view. That's the point. I wouldn't mind, but I actually agree that it needs to stop being discussed. I don't know why you're writing this stuff to me, unless you just mean it in a more general sense...

My frustration isn't with which side brings him up - it's that he's ALWAYS being brought up, no matter what the discussion may initially be about. I don't care at this point whether it's to praise him or condemn him. Just let him reside in the NBA forum where he belongs and not polluting all kinds of threads in the Kings Rap forum. And, for the record, this is just me - VF21 Kings fan - speaking as just a fan, not a moderator. I - the fan - want to talk about the present and the future, two things Tyreke Evans isn't going to be involved in. Love him, hate him or don't give a damn - but please, in the name of the great God Naismith, give him a rest.

...Okay, I'm done with my PERSONAL fan rant.

Agreed.

 

[jalfa]

It's both sides that bring him up. There seem to be a bunch of people who have little else to talk about.

to be fair, not much else has happened. at least nothing too controversial. the Landry signing basically has everybody shaking their head, with some saying it might make sense once more trades happen. Mbah a Moute has elicited a response ranging from 'meh' all the way to 'pretty cool' and the only discussion about Vasquez concerns whether or not his assist numbers are a mirage and if that even matters. even the response to McLemore's shaky start has been a consensus "who cares, it's summer league. let's wait how this shakes out".

 

[Spike]

As one who enjoyed being on the right side of the Evans circuitous arguments (last dig for the last time) I eagerly await the Vazquez circuitous arguments to hit mid-season form.

 

[Kingster]

Fredette joining the party with IT and Thornton in Las Vegas. Nice to see....

http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2013/07/jimmer-fredette-visits-kings-in-las-vegas.html

Things are looking up. New credible owner. Finally there is an ownership group with the cash and the foresight to gain control over the Reno D-League team so that we can actually develop project-type players. Nice things are being said by players and others around the league about the new ownership group. Moves are being made to improve the team. A new culture is being defined. Up, up, up.....

 

[Glenn]

to be fair, not much else has happened. at least nothing too controversial. the Landry signing basically has everybody shaking their head, with some saying it might make sense once more trades happen. Mbah a Moute has elicited a response ranging from 'meh' all the way to 'pretty cool' and the only discussion about Vasquez concerns whether or not his assist numbers are a mirage and if that even matters. even the response to McLemore's shaky start has been a consensus "who cares, it's summer league. let's wait how this shakes out".

There is no rule that if you sign on to the forum that you must post. I think I have been moderately quiet recently as, and I agree with you, there isn't much to say. That's kind of sad in away but that's what TDOS is and it shouldn't be a surprise.

 

[VF21]

I have no idea why, but for some reason you're biased on this VF.

Posting as VF21 the fan and ONLY the fan (and making it perfectly clear I was doing so) makes it okay for me to be biased. We're all biased. My bias in this issue is I don't think Evans would have been as great for the new Kings as some want to believe but I don't think he was bad. I honestly think he needed to be moved for Cousins to have his best chance to shine.

The problem lies primarily with whoever brings it up first, end of story. Why you would expect people to ignore inaccuracies is bizarre? This is a discussion forum. Methinks you're more on the other side and that's why you're laying more blame at the feet of the responders rather than the initiators. It doesn't make sense. And I'm not saying the detractors bring him up more often, just responding to the point above.

I'd like to think people could just let things pass, especially when they're not relevant to the topic at hand. And yes, I'm well aware that this is a discussion forum. Kinda been here for a very long time and it's one of things I actually picked up along the way. And for the record? Your "responders" vs. "initiators" tags are inaccurate as both sides have initiated at some times and responded at others.

Debateable from a roster point of view. That's the point. I wouldn't mind, but I actually agree that it needs to stop being discussed. I don't know why you're writing this stuff to me, unless you just mean it in a more general sense...

I'm writing the stuff to you since you're the one who replied to my reply to Agent23. My sentiment, while included in a post responding to your response, is pretty obviously universal in nature.

Agreed.

Hey, at least we agree on something. And on that note, I'm done. I'm looking to the future of this team. Evans is a memory...and that's it. And he wouldn't even make my top 10 favorite Kings players.

 

[rainmaker]

Oh noes. Someone is taking a dig at a former King so it must be refuted? Yeah, whatever...

Yet you keep attempting to refute anyone who doesn't agree with your line of thinking. In your first post on this page you take yet another shot at the opposing crowd, saying we're in denial about Reke leaving.

With all due respect, you have a growing reputation of wanting to silence opinions you don't deem positive enough and fit your narrative. And I'm not trying to start an argument, that's just how I see it. You've taken shots at fans and wanted to end discussion on Reke multiple times and you've questioned how good of a fan some are for questioning PDA's moves. As a fan you've taken one side, which is more than fine, Kings fans seem to be divided, but as an MOD you appear to be wanting to use your power to end discussion of the other side. And whether on STR or RealGM, these conversations and the division in the fanbase is there for all to see, yet honestly you're the only MOD I've seen on any Kings forums who has such a problem with the ongoing dialogue. Again, not trying to argue.

And after years of losing basketball in a toxic environment where many of us still stuck around and watched/discussed every game, to see one of our only positives moved, and on the face of it for not nearly enough value, then to expect discussion to stop a mere two weeks later is odd. All it takes is someone mentioning we haven't replaced the talent we lost yet, which is directly discussing the here and now and moving forward, and the conversation will turn back. Or, wow, I'm worried about the lack of penetration or the defensive prospects of Vasquez/MLM, and it can turn back. We haven't been here in a while where a piece moved effected so many parts of what we're doing. It's not like renouncing the rights to James Johnson.

And I fully expect some to tire of that(some tired after two days, others a week, others two weeks, everyone has an opinion) but is their right to not be bothered by discussion they're tired of override the right of others to talk about it? I'll let the MOD's decide that, but judging by opinions I've seen, even the MOD's are divided on this. Not my call though.

 

[VF21]

Yet you keep attempting to refute anyone who doesn't agree with your line of thinking. In your first post on this page you take yet another shot at the opposing crowd, saying we're in denial about Reke leaving.

With all due respect, you have a growing reputation of wanting to silence opinions you don't deem positive enough and fit your narrative. And I'm not trying to start an argument, that's just how I see it. You've taken shots at fans and wanted to end discussion on Reke multiple times and you've questioned how good of a fan some are for questioning PDA's moves. As a fan you've taken one side, which is more than fine, Kings fans seem to be divided, but as an MOD you appear to be wanting to use your power to end discussion of the other side. And whether on STR or RealGM, these conversations and the division in the fanbase is there for all to see, yet honestly you're the only MOD I've seen on any Kings forums who has such a problem with the ongoing dialogue. Again, not trying to argue.

And after years of losing basketball in a toxic environment where many of us still stuck around and watched/discussed every game, to see one of our only positives moved, and on the face of it for not nearly enough value, then to expect discussion to stop a mere two weeks later is odd. All it takes is someone mentioning we haven't replaced the talent we lost yet, which is directly discussing the here and now and moving forward, and the conversation will turn back. Or, wow, I'm worried about the lack of penetration or the defensive prospects of Vasquez/MLM, and it can turn back. We haven't been here in a while where a piece moved effected so many parts of what we're doing. It's not like renouncing the rights to James Johnson.

And I fully expect some to tire of that(some tired after two days, others a week, others two weeks, everyone has an opinion) but is their right to not be bothered by discussion they're tired of override the right of others to talk about it? I'll let the MOD's decide that, but judging by opinions I've seen, even the MOD's are divided on this. Not my call though.

You certainly have a right to your opinion but I am not one of those who wants to compare the "real" Kings fans. I'd like to see an example of where you've thought I did that, as I must have either misstated my opinion or you misread it.

My main complaint was and is that too much attention in KINGS threads is being given to Evans, who is NO LONGER a King. Is it really that difficult to understand? And I made it pretty clear I was speaking as a fan and NOT as a moderator. Talk forever about Evans, if that is your wont. No one is saying you can't. My contention again, in case you misunderstood, is that there is a place for it and it's not in the middle of every thread in the Kings Rap forum.

 

[Spike]

Unfortunately, this was the only major shakeup this offseason, which really makes it the only topic worth discussing, until the next major move is made. Maybe something else will happen to soften the blow, but, absent the winning of some major trade, we might have to wait until training camp for new fodder.

Rumor has it Malone has been looking at the Washington Generals style of play. Something about always forcing the other team into long distance crazy shots.

 

[Glenn]

Unfortunately, this was the only major shakeup this offseason, which really makes it the only topic worth discussing, until the next major move is made. Maybe something else will happen to soften the blow, but, absent the winning of some major trade, we might have to wait until training camp for new fodder.

Rumor has it Malone has been looking at the Washington Generals style of play. Something about always forcing the other team into long distance crazy shots.

He can borrow Smart's collection of Globetrotter tapes and I'm sure he'll see what he wants.

 

[Gary]

This thread makes me happy that Evans is gone. Soon all these stupid arguments will be the thing of the past then we could move on to another player.

I am not actually happy that Reke is gone, unless it was "PG Reke". "SG Reke" I loved

 

[Glenn]

This thread makes me happy that Evans is gone. Soon all these stupid arguments will be the thing of the past then we could move on to another player.

I am not actually happy that Reke is gone, unless it was "PG Reke". "SG Reke" I loved

I suspect the next player will be Cuz.

 

[Agent23]

I suspect the next player will be Cuz.

That will come in the beginning of the season. Someone's turn to be our "Dark Knight".