Off Day Musing

[Rowdyone]

Okay, I need help on this one. Not sure how it came to me or if it's ever occured but here goes. With time running down to the final seconds at the end of a half or end of a game (where replay is in order) a player is in the act of shooting (having taken his two steps on a layup or in the air on a jumper) when a defender grabs the player intentionally fouling him and preventing him from shooting. What's the call (assuming one of the refs has guts enough to call a foul in that situation)? No shot gotten off so just two (or three if far enough out) free throws is what I come up with but doesn't that penalize the shooter who could have sank the shot and one netting three (or four)? A flagrant foul only gets you possesion after shooting the foul shots and time has expired. Seems a bit unfair to me but then, again, it's probably inconsequential since it's so rare.

 

[VF21]

Free throws.

You don't know - nor could you ever know - if the shot actually would have gone in, so the idea the shooter could have sunk the shot is moot. (Look at Foyle's slam last night. Not only didn't it go in, he ripped his thumb. Nothing is a sure thing.)

 

[Superman]

A flagrant foul only gets you possesion after shooting the foul shots and time has expired.

Perhaps they'd put time back on the clock (however much was left when the foul occured) and allow one more possession.

 

[keflanag]

Okay, I need help on this one. Not sure how it came to me or if it's ever occured but here goes. With time running down to the final seconds at the end of a half or end of a game (where replay is in order) a player is in the act of shooting (having taken his two steps on a layup or in the air on a jumper) when a defender grabs the player intentionally fouling him and preventing him from shooting. What's the call (assuming one of the refs has guts enough to call a foul in that situation)? No shot gotten off so just two (or three if far enough out) free throws is what I come up with but doesn't that penalize the shooter who could have sank the shot and one netting three (or four)? A flagrant foul only gets you possesion after shooting the foul shots and time has expired. Seems a bit unfair to me but then, again, it's probably inconsequential since it's so rare.

Assuming the replay shows the foul occurred before time expired, the player would get the 2 (or 3) free throws and the ball on the side. The clock would be reset to whatever the time was when the foul occurred. This isn't unfair or penalizing the shooter, it's just the way the rules are set up. If you don't want this to occur ... get open for a shot so they can't foul you before you get a good shot off.

 

[Rowdyone]

I guess we have different ideas of "fairness". Possession of the ball for a very small amount of time after shooting the FT's allows the defense to set up and you can never duplicate the original one on one situation, ergo advantage defense. And I believe the replay was initiated to rule on these type plays so apparrantly players often put themselves in this position instead of the much preferred "wide open" catagory.

 

[JSin]

I have a ref question:

Player gets fouled in the act of shooting, proceeds to commit an offensive foul while making the basket during continuation. Does the basket count?

 

[Brewer16]

I have a ref question:

Player gets fouled in the act of shooting, proceeds to commit an offensive foul while making the basket during continuation. Does the basket count?

If the defensive player fouls the shooter first, any foul the shooter commits afterwards (that isnt a techincal) doesnt matter I believe, I think once the ref blows the whistle, the plays dead, so the basket counts and the shooter goes to the line.

 

[uolj]

Okay, I need help on this one. Not sure how it came to me or if it's ever occured but here goes. With time running down to the final seconds at the end of a half or end of a game (where replay is in order) a player is in the act of shooting (having taken his two steps on a layup or in the air on a jumper) when a defender grabs the player intentionally fouling him and preventing him from shooting. What's the call (assuming one of the refs has guts enough to call a foul in that situation)? No shot gotten off so just two (or three if far enough out) free throws is what I come up with but doesn't that penalize the shooter who could have sank the shot and one netting three (or four)? A flagrant foul only gets you possesion after shooting the foul shots and time has expired. Seems a bit unfair to me but then, again, it's probably inconsequential since it's so rare.

The only difference I see between this play and the same play with plenty of time left is that the team has a shorter amount of time to score when they get the ball after the flagrant foul. I don't see any reason to add time to the clock to give them a better opportunity, they are the ones who let it run down so low. Besides, the free throws should make up for the foul stopping the shot.

If it wasn't flagrant, it's the same as fouling someone to stop a layup.

I have a ref question:

Player gets fouled in the act of shooting, proceeds to commit an offensive foul while making the basket during continuation. Does the basket count?

I couldn't find anything in the online rules (http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_index.html) that clears this up. I would think that the basket would be disallowed, just as it would be if there was basket interference (or as goaltending would be called after the whistle, too).