[Trade] New Report on Kings' Interest in Jonathan Kuminga Trade

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After a successful NBA Draft, Scott Perry and the Sacramento Kings are shifting their focus back to free agency and trades, and have their eyes set on one of the biggest names on the market this offseason. Earlier this week, the Athletic's Sam Amick reported that the Kings were interested in Kuminga, but also noted that the young forward wasn't likely going to end up in Sacramento. Brett Siegel of ClutchPoints reported that the Kings have surpassed other teams in the last few days and are now the prime destination for Kuminga.

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A swing for the fences move that I'd love to see the Kings make but I don't know what GSW would want from us other than FRPs. DDR is kind of redundant to Butler and probably wouldn't work well together offensively at all. Monk is probably not needed either.

Only thing that worries me about Kuminga is the odds are not in his favor that he's going to develop an outside shot. Not only is his 3pt percentage bad but his FT percentage is bad as well and has been for his career.
 
I like how Kuminga uses his strength on drives. At 22, I'm taking him. At this point I want to see some young players develop for several years. Kuminga would be a hit.
 
I would be over the moon if we went for Kuminga. If it’s a swing and miss so be it. Out of all the names that have been mentioned as potential additions he’s the only one in my mind that actual has star potential. As a small market team ( specifically this small market team) I feel like we have to take those swings. I’d be open to moving Monk and JV to get it done. Obviously Demar would be preferable but I can’t see Golden State wanting that.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1945890806595830080

Now we just wait for Kiminga’s market to crater even more to the point the Warriors have to give us a pick to send them Malik.
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Despite being drafted 7th overall, GSW never really gave him a fair shot. I get it. They were still in championship mode at the time, and that’s not exactly the ideal environment for a young player who’s still developing. But plenty of title-contending teams before them have traded away high draft picks to bring in win-now pieces. Instead, the Warriors kept him, but didn’t give him the real opportunity to grow, make mistakes, and learn from them on the court.

Then you factor in the team dynamics, where a veteran can physically assault a younger teammate, and the head coach does everything he can to downplay it, it’s hard to imagine that feeling like a healthy or supportive place for a young player.

Honestly, if I were in his shoes, I wouldn’t be eager to return either.
 
Moody and Kuminga were drafted in the same year so Moody could have held out longer I believe. Warriors have to be careful because if it drags out until September they run the risk of not being able to trade him during the season and their tax bill being insane again. Maybe they are ok with that but sure seems neither side is in love with each other so that's a strange proposition when luxury tax and repeater penalties are in play.
 
I always thought Brett was in his late 40s based on the blurry profile pic but after seeing him in a live interview he looks like a teenager with a suit on.
 
The_Jamal said:
I know someone's done this, but what would Kuminga's max deal be for us if we sent them Monk, straight up?
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I believe it more depends on what GSW do than anything else - because of Base Year Compensation:
  • Instead of counting the full new salary, the outgoing salary (for the team trading the player) is the greater of: 50% of the new salary or the player's previous salary.
  • The incoming salary (for the team receiving the player) is still counted at the full new salary.
So we can take back Monk's full salary in trade but Golden State has to find a way to receive it and I believe that is the issue as they are over the cap.
 
A new report from Anthony Slater says that "Kuminga had contact with the Kings in the last couple of days, and it's the first time he's met Scott Perry. It wasn't in person, but it's the first time he's communicated with Scott Perry, Doug Christie, and B.J. Armstrong. From what I gathered, he liked the pitch that Scott Perry gave. He's open-minded to the idea of Sacramento."

https://www.si.com/nba/kings/sacram...-kings-open-to-sacramento-report-01k11bgbc78e

My take on this is that any transaction might have to be a three-team trade, in order for the Kings to give back enough salary for the deal to go through: that is to say, a high enough salary to interest Kuminga. Outgoing players would be Šarić, Carter, and Monk. The Warriors have no interest in Monk, but a third team could provide a player they do want on their roster.
 
I don't think Kuminga is a perfect fit and I still have doubts about his overall scoring efficiency. However, he is young and the raw tools to develop into an elite NBA wing have always been there. Getting younger and more athletic is not a bad thing. The idea of swapping Carter for Kuminga doesn't thrill me because Carter seems like more of a proven commodity defensively but nobody in the Kings' organization currently seems all that motivated to put Carter in the starting lineup for whatever reason so we might as well trade him to bring in someone a year younger that they will start.

It also means either Murray or Kuminga will be forced to play PF indefinitely which I kindof hate. I guess there's a remote chance Clifford develops into a lead playmaker and we end up with a jumbo backcourt of Clifford, Kuminga, and Murray. Oh who am I kidding.... that will never happen.

All in all the idea of burning assets to get Kuminga is a mixed bag for me, but considering we're the Kings and almost nothing has gone our way lately, sure roll the dice on a high ceiling guy like Kuminga and ship some older vets out and let's see what happens.
 
hrdboild said:
I don't think Kuminga is a perfect fit and I still have doubts about his overall scoring efficiency. However, he is young and the raw tools to develop into an elite NBA wing have always been there. Getting younger and more athletic is not a bad thing. The idea of swapping Carter for Kuminga doesn't thrill me because Carter seems like more of a proven commodity defensively but nobody in the Kings' organization currently seems all that motivated to put Carter in the starting lineup for whatever reason so we might as well trade him to bring in someone a year younger that they will start.

It also means either Murray or Kuminga will be forced to play PF indefinitely which I kindof hate. I guess there's a remote chance Clifford develops into a lead playmaker and we end up with a jumbo backcourt of Clifford, Kuminga, and Murray. Oh who am I kidding.... that will never happen.

All in all the idea of burning assets to get Kuminga is a mixed bag for me, but considering we're the Kings and almost nothing has gone our way lately, sure roll the dice on a high ceiling guy like Kuminga and ship some older vets out and let's see what happens.
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What’s worse is burning assets for a guy with no value who doesn’t even wanna be in GSW. Carter or a first shouldn’t even be on the table wild to offer them Carter for a guy they don’t play unless necessary
 
hrdboild said:
I don't think Kuminga is a perfect fit and I still have doubts about his overall scoring efficiency. However, he is young and the raw tools to develop into an elite NBA wing have always been there. Getting younger and more athletic is not a bad thing. The idea of swapping Carter for Kuminga doesn't thrill me because Carter seems like more of a proven commodity defensively but nobody in the Kings' organization currently seems all that motivated to put Carter in the starting lineup for whatever reason so we might as well trade him to bring in someone a year younger that they will start.

It also means either Murray or Kuminga will be forced to play PF indefinitely which I kindof hate. I guess there's a remote chance Clifford develops into a lead playmaker and we end up with a jumbo backcourt of Clifford, Kuminga, and Murray. Oh who am I kidding.... that will never happen.

All in all the idea of burning assets to get Kuminga is a mixed bag for me, but considering we're the Kings and almost nothing has gone our way lately, sure roll the dice on a high ceiling guy like Kuminga and ship some older vets out and let's see what happens.
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The potential is definitely not in question. It's all about the money and what the Kings can do to build a winner around a half loaded cap. If the Kings are paying 50% of their cap or more right off the bat to players like Kuminga, Keegan, and Keon, then building around that will be tougher than a team would like it to be. Somebody better prove to be cornerstone at that point.
 
tl;dr version: Not much has changed regarding Kuminga and the upcoming free agency period despite the constant readaptation of his situation being rehashed and reported. A new report from Anthony Slater says that "Kuminga had contact with the Kings in the last couple of days, and it's the first time he's met Scott Perry. It wasn't in person, but it's the first time he's communicated with Scott Perry, Doug Christie, and B.J. Armstrong. From what I gathered, he liked the pitch that Scott Perry gave. He's open-minded to the idea of Sacramento."

That is what they deem enough for a "new report" headline, in case you genuinely wanted to know what was new.
 
KainLear said:
tl;dr version: Not much has changed regarding Kuminga and the upcoming free agency period despite the constant readaptation of his situation being rehashed and reported. A new report from Anthony Slater says that "Kuminga had contact with the Kings in the last couple of days, and it's the first time he's met Scott Perry. It wasn't in person, but it's the first time he's communicated with Scott Perry, Doug Christie, and B.J. Armstrong. From what I gathered, he liked the pitch that Scott Perry gave. He's open-minded to the idea of Sacramento."

That is what they deem enough for a "new report" headline, in case you genuinely wanted to know what was new.
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I suppose that "Kuminga hadn't spoken to the Kings (directly) before, but now he has, and he liked what he heard" is an update worth reporting.

In the end the whole thing comes down to a lot of factors: Does he want to come here? How much can we spend? How much does he want? Will the Warriors play ball or try to block things? Will BYC make things impossible?

But clearly we're interested, so we must think there's *some* chance of getting the whole thing to work out.
 
Joshyjosh31 said:
What’s worse is burning assets for a guy with no value who doesn’t even wanna be in GSW. Carter or a first shouldn’t even be on the table wild to offer them Carter for a guy they don’t play unless necessary
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There's a big distinction where GS can control his path though. Him not wanting to be in GS.

Us meeting with Kuminga and liking what he heard is a pretty decent sized deal. As we well know, players and agents drive the league now. If he wants out to Sac and the Warriors screw him.. Will be interesting to see the fall out from that. Especially as the Warriors have to start thinking about a post curry existence in the next 5 years
 
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Tetsujin said:
I’d assume that there’d be more coming back to the Kings than just Kuminga in that scenario if only because the money doesn’t work in a multiple team trade otherwise.
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I haven’t seen Monk mentioned in any scenarios, which Im okay with as a backup PG, but Allen Stiles mentioned possibly Rozier and a couple seconds from Miami, or Kuzma from Milwaukee for Demar.
Now those aren’t glamorous names, and I know most would not appreciate it but the idea is to find Demar a good home and promise Kuminga a starting spot.
Rozier might not even play with his problems and Kuzma would have t accept a bench roll.
 
In terms of structure, it gets tough because of the BYC thing for Kuminga.

One *framework* that does work is as follows:

Kings receive:
Kuminga (S&T for $25M)
Rozier

Warriors receive:
Monk

Heat receive:
DeRozan


The Heat and Warriors do have to touch, but that could be like dead draft rights, so it could be as simple as that. Obviously there can be some tweaking along the edges there and still stay within the rules.

That said, this isn't exactly a perfect framework. GSW seemingly are saying they don't want Monk, which would mean we might have to find a *fourth* team to take Malik and give GSW whatever they DO want. Miami is getting a BIG upgrade without sending out anything of value (so somebody like Jaquez or draft picks would probably have to come our way). Fortunately for our part Rozier is just a one-year contract (because I don't like him and also that's a dicey situation...unless somehow his contract gets voided!)

But the point is, even with BYC this can get done.

If we try to make GSW a bit happier we can send Carter to receive Podziemski (they have to send at least that much salary to make that work). And then doing a Jaquez/TD swap to make Miami actually give something of value up...

We would look like:
Schroder/Rozier/Clifford
LaVine/Ellis/Podz
Murray/Jaquez/McDermott
Kuminga/Jones/Saric
Sabonis/Raynaud/Eubanks

If we hope that at some point in the season Clifford starts taking backup minutes from Rozier, our top ten players look interesting at least.
 
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