Never-ending idiotic Cousins trade rumors thread

kingsfan1984 · Nov 29, 2016

Cousins for Beal, Portor and Oubrey rumor floating around.

funkykingston · Nov 29, 2016

Pass.

Capt. Factorial · Nov 29, 2016

Source?

KingsFanSince85 · Nov 29, 2016

I'm sure it's fan speculation based upon this latest acknowledgement from Cousins that he and John Wall have been talking about playing together. You know how fans then run with things.

They selectively ignored the part where Cousins says he's trying to convince Wall and Bledsoe to join him in Sac while they are trying to convince the two to come to their team. Of course we're going to see more Boogie to Washington or PHX trade rumors than the reverse. Funny thing is, it'd be easier to get Wall or Bledsoe in Sac than Boogie to one of those teams (in a trade) and they'd end up with a better team because it'd take far more to get Boogie than either of the other 2.

I like John Wall but I don't like him that much. Doesn't shoot the rock well enough and can be turnover prone as we saw last night. He is damn fast though.

funkykingston · Nov 29, 2016

KingsFanSince85 said:

I'm sure it's fan speculation based upon this latest acknowledgement from Cousins that he and John Wall have been talking about playing together. You know how fans then run with things.

They selectively ignored the part where Cousins says he's trying to convince Wall and Bledsoe to join him in Sac while they are trying to convince the two to come to their team. Of course we're going to see more Boogie to Washington or PHX trade rumors than the reverse. Funny thing is, it'd be easier to get Wall or Bledsoe in Sac than Boogie to one of those teams (in a trade) and they'd end up with a better team because it'd take far more to get Boogie than either of the other 2.

I like John Wall but I don't like him that much. Doesn't shoot the rock well enough and can be turnover prone as we saw last night. He is damn fast though.

Very true.

Phoenix would want Booker in any scenario where they get Cousins so I'm guessing the starting asking price for Boogie would be Bledsoe, Chriss, Bender and at least one 1st rounder.

dude12 · Nov 29, 2016

Can I make up my own rumor too?

SCKingsfan · Nov 29, 2016

Just to put rumors in perspective and be inclusive: http://www.sportsrageous.com/nba/nb...cruiting-john-wall-to-sacramento-kings/59490/

“[To] Play with John and Eric again, you never know what will happen. It’s the NBA, so hopefully one day he’ll be in Sacramento uniform,” Cousins added.

KingsFan80 · Nov 29, 2016

Maybe I am naive but I don't see any way in the world the Kings trade Cousins. He is literally the only bright spot with the franchise.

VF21 · Nov 29, 2016

kingsfan1984 said:

Floating around?

Big Cuz 15 · Nov 29, 2016

KingsFan80 said:

if he don't sign an extension this summer or if the team doesn't make some serious noise in the playoffs i could see them trying to move him in the summer. vlade isn't gonna get durantula'd.

ESP47 · Nov 29, 2016

If Cousins was on Full House...

https://twitter.com/therealbradg/status/803092402353229825/video/1

KingsFanSince85 · Nov 29, 2016

I don't think it should be ignored that Cousins made mention several times of those guys coming to Sac and hopefully one day being in a Kings uniform. While neither he or we know what the future holds with regard to him being in Sacramento beyond his current contract, he continues to show loyalty. Most other players would have given a vague answer or not stood up for the team/city they currently play for. But Cuz isn't like that.

notoriousBEN3 · Nov 29, 2016

My question is this - what win/loss record do we need to have before y'all consider trading Cousins?

Cousins has been tremendously loyal and more than anything i want to see us win with him as our leader, but the longer we wait, the less we'll get for him. If we get a weak trade package or worse, let him walk as a FA, this team will be set back YEARS. He's a generational player and it breaks my heart, but I fear if we wait until the offseason, we're going to have to trade him for whatever scraps Boston wants to throw at us. So that's my question, how many losses do we need to pile up before you die hard Cousin supporters think of letting him go?

VF21 · Nov 29, 2016

notoriousBEN3 said:

#LoyaltyIsLove

I fully intend to be as loyal to Cousins as he has been to this team, this town and the fans. "The longer we wait, the less we'll get for him" is defeatist IMHO.

I will NEVER think of letting him go. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

You asked and I, as a diehard Cousins supporter, gave an honest reply...

dude12 · Nov 29, 2016

Cousins has said nothing about wanting to be traded or leaving. I say stay committed to the big man and see if he can bring home Wall or Bledsoe or other Kentucky Wildcats. If the FO and ownership show stability, keep Joerger, etc....things can change as long as we stay stable.

KingsFanSince85 · Nov 29, 2016

notoriousBEN3 said:

You pose the question as if Cousins is the prime reason for the poor W/L record over the years. He isn't.

We "die hard Cousins supporters" are just that because we're not shortsighted and realize the team could be special if they manage to surround him with the right mix of players. Acquiring a player of Cousins caliber is the hardest part in building a team. Elite players don't grow in trees. And most of them aren't lining up to sign here via FA.

The thing that boggles my mind is so many are willing to trade away the type of player we'd be hoping to land in the draft again yet those same people have no confidence in the front office's ability to make sound decisions in the draft due to recent history.

Since an elite level player is already here and seemingly willing to stick around voluntarily, I'd rather search for those easier puzzle pieces to find.

Larry89 · Nov 29, 2016

I don't think people understand that Black Friday deals are not applicable to NBA players

KingsFan80 · Nov 29, 2016

People outside of Kings Fans are quick to jump on the "They should trade Cousins because he is a problem" Train. The problem isn't Cousins, it is the lack of talent around him from the moment he joined this franchise. Tyreke Evans was a decent selection at the time but ever since then its been a train wreck.

I wish the media would focus on the real issue, like write an article about our horrible draft selections rather than paint a picture of him as this awful player who ruins everything because that isn't true. The Kings CAN win with Cousins but he needs help and that isn't on him.

kingsboi · Nov 29, 2016

dude12 said:

This is probably the most viable and best scenario the Kings can hope for. Hope he is true to his word, and he has been up to this point, despite "god's plan" and dysfunction and tough it out and continue to make it work until he verbally commits to opt out or request a trade.

Hoovtrain · Nov 29, 2016

I def do not want to trade Cousins....but at this point I just don't see how they are going to build a competitive team around him. Between the restrictions on the picks, no FAs wanting to come here , lack of viable trade pieces and the lack of young talent on this team, this just seems like a team destined to sit at 30-35 wins year in year out while Cousins prime wastes away. As much as it pains me to say this, I think the only team that could offer the Kings some good young talent back in terms of players and picks would be BOS. Something starting with Bradley, Smart, Crowder and Nets pick. Then try and flip Gay for a who knows. This is just really frustrating . New year, new players , new coach and same ol' Kings

Suicide King · Nov 29, 2016

notoriousBEN3 said:

As a counter question simply for discussion. If Cousins resigned here, would anyone be unhappy with that outcome? Does anyone simply want Cousins gone for whatever reason?

The path may not be clear to us, nor are all the potential options because we aren't on the phone with GM's or players. Like many have pointed out, we have not had the best luck with drafting and even then the point is to draft a generational talent like DMC. Bird in hand, even if it doesn't sing just the way we want, beats two in the draft that may not ever find a song.

Section 101 · Nov 29, 2016

notoriousBEN3 said:

Bricklayer · Nov 29, 2016

notoriousBEN3 said:

Here's the thing -- so much of this thinking, and it is incredibly prevalent even in Sacto, let alone among the national boobs, depends on the notion that Cousins is going to walk.

What if he's not? The term "panicking into error" would never be so apt.

KingsFanSince85 · Nov 29, 2016

Bricklayer said:

Yet everything he continues to say suggests it may be far from a forgone conclusion.

Telemachus · Nov 29, 2016

notoriousBEN3 said:

It isn't about our W/L record. It's about what it takes for Cousins to not want to leave. He has continued to maintain his desire to stay a King. As long as he is committed to staying, I wouldn't trade him.

peacelate · Nov 29, 2016

And how are the Kings going to get the talent to surround Cousins? FA don't sign here. They couldn't even get ryan anderson to sign. Even with the little talent the Kings get through the draft, the Kings FO and fans themselves have no problem running them out of town. Cousins knows this.

New Era · Nov 29, 2016

I love this thread!

206Fan · Nov 29, 2016

peacelate said:

I really don't know about any of this either.

We couldn't convince a Wes Matthews coming off a season ending Achilles injury to sign here in Sacramento for what would've been a max contract. He took less money to play with an aging Dirk and injury prone Parsons.
Rondo absolutely refused to re-sign with Sacramento had we traded for him... it wasn't until nobody else in the league wanted him, that he actually decided to sign here.
We gave a lot of money to Afflalo, Temple, and Tolliver to come here. None of the 3 are impact players.

I think the only fair FAs we were able to sway over were Darren Collison, Marco Belinelli, and Kosta Koufos.
With DC, we had a big upper-hand with the fact that we were able to promise him the starting job. Belinelli got a little bit more money here than he would've anywhere else. Koufos was just a solid grab.

Does 1 good year undo the horrible last 10 years? I doubt it. Why would any big FAs seriously consider Sacramento? We've been dysfunctional for 10 years. We wouldn't even have a long-term team building block team. Gay, Collison, and McLemore all expire by FA. Cousins would only have 1 year left.

How the hell do we promise FAs that we have a plan moving forward when we'd be gutted, with our best guaranteed players being Afflalo, Koufos, and Cousins?
Lots and lots of wishful thinking. Unless we massively over-pay, nobody is going to come here.

dude12 · Nov 30, 2016

We get a big time FA because we have pieces in place and they want to play with Cousins....such as Wall or Bledsoe. What if you took this current roster and replaced Collison with Wall or Bledsoe? That is a big upgrade. What if Malachi and Bogdanovich become good rotation players who can score.....better than average players. Do the Kings get through to WCS and he becomes what they hoped he would be.

I think most sub-.500 teams play the what if game and this situation where big time FA's don't sign with us is not unique to us. We need one more player at least as good as Gay.

Bricklayer · Nov 30, 2016

206Fan said:

Coach and superstar. Its always a good base if its going to be there long term. Obviously for that appeal to work we have to convince Cuz to reup, even just for the 2 year. Then you have a solid season and the pillars of said season coming back. You won't sign Lebron, but you can get into the mix for second (likely only if they know + like Joerger or Cuz) and third tier guys who can envision a role for themselves. Stability does wonders. Then guys aren't signing in on faith, they are able to make predictions about how they'll fit.

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