NBA Playoffs, Round Two

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Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Well, First of All™, he's won an Olympic gold medal, and a FIBA World Championship, so it's a pretty USA-centric point of view to say that there isn't anything more important than an NBA championship. And, second of all, don't move the goalposts, now: you said that a guy who's been MVP of the league hasn't won "anything."

EDIT - Also, they haven't played in New Jersey in, like, eight years. Might be time to update your spreadsheet.
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Lol. You’re too much Slim. Grasping at Olympic and FIBA titles as if it wasn’t going to be accomplished regardless whether the Bearded Hag was on the team or not. He was as responsible for the Gold Medal and FIBA Championship as JR Smith was for Cleveland‘s title in 2016. Joke.

I know you love to argue and take the opposing view on pretty much everything, but you’re pretty bad at it much of the time. Especially in this case.

Furthermore re: accusing me of moving goalposts — do people really fall for these weak Jedi mind games? You’re the one that moved goal posts and created a straw man by bringing up MVP’s and Int’l accomplishments when you knew exactly what I meant by “not winning anything”. I know you’re a smart person and not at all that unaware. You’re just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.

As for the Nets, you got me there. Sometimes I slip up and still call the Vegas Raiders the Oakland Raiders and the LA Chargers the San Diego Chargers too.

Regardless, it’s just another weak attempt to change the subject because you haven’t a strong counter argument to make. Par for the course for you, really. Obsess over minor and meaningless details while ignoring the relevant topic.

The bearded hag has won nothing as the #1 option on any team. He’s never won anything as any option on any team (though he’s clearly and desperately hoping to gravy train one clutching the coattails of KD and Kyrie). Furthermore, if it wasn’t clear enough to you before, it should be now — “anything” means an NBA Championship.

But I’m sure you’ll now bring up whatever HS or AAU accomplishments he might have in addition to subjective regular season awards and all-star team wins in FIBA/Olympics. By that logic, Christian Laettner has won something too.

As you were Slim. I know you love to have the final word, so by all means grasp at some more straws and obsess over the mundane and meaningless details.

They’re all yours.
 
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steelevt said:
Damn I feel bad for Mitchell. He’s one of the guys I rarely hear opposition against being one of the future stars in the league. I really feel he’s a good dude also. Would have liked that suns/jazz wcf but I guess not.
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I don‘t like Utah, but I do like Mitchell. Like you said, he seems like a pretty good guy.

Also, unlike many of the guards the KF here contingent likes to overrate and obsess over, at least Mitchell has shown capable and partially interested in playing the defensive side of the ball.

While he does fall into chucker mode at times, he’s still proven to be a more effective 3pt shooter than say Trae Young, because he typically settles for better shots.

More so than many of his contemporaries, he’s a likeable player on the court. Saw him congratulating all the Clippers players on their series win tonight. Something the millennial hero LBJ can rarely bring himself to do.
 
Quin Snyder did not have an answer for the Clippers small ball lineup.

Also would love to see the Kings get a PJ Tucker or Pat Beverly type player who defends and gets under the opposition’s skin. Terrence Davis is as close as we got.
 
dude12 said:
Quin Snyder did not have an answer for the Clippers small ball lineup.

Also would love to see the Kings get a PJ Tucker or Pat Beverly type player who defends and gets under the opposition’s skin. Terrence Davis is as close as we got.
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Davion Mitchell would be that guy, depending on where the Kings land in the draft and which players are available.
 
steelevt said:
Damn I feel bad for Mitchell. He’s one of the guys I rarely hear opposition against being one of the future stars in the league. I really feel he’s a good dude also. Would have liked that suns/jazz wcf but I guess not.
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Mitchell does seem like he has good character and professionalism and that goes a long way towards being respected around the league. As a result of this, he could potentially convince other star players to play with him but I don't know if he falls into that category of recruiters.
 
The bearded hag has won nothing as the #1 option on any team. He’s never won anything as any option on any team (though he’s clearly and desperately hoping to gravy train one clutching the coattails of KD and Kyrie). Furthermore, if it wasn’t clear enough to you before, it should be now — “anything” means an NBA Championship.
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Why? Because you decided?

KingsFanSince85 said:
Furthermore re: accusing me of moving goalposts — do people really fall for these weak Jedi mind games? You’re the one that moved goal posts and created a straw man by bringing up MVP’s and Int’l accomplishments when you knew exactly what I meant by “not winning anything”. I know you’re a smart person and not at all that unaware. You’re just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative.
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No, that's still you. You don't get to say, "Player X hasn't won anything," and then, when everything they've won is pointed out to you, say, "None of that stuff counts, Because of Reasons™." Just because you've staked out the position of, "The only achievement in basketball that matters to me is an NBA championship," and worked your entire thesis backwards from that point, does not mean that your thesis is not trash. Because your thesis is trash: not winning an NBA championship =/= nothing.

James Harden is a player whose style of basketball I abhor, and the fact that you have me out here defending him makes me kind of hate you.
 
I do not like the Clippers and it would have been nice to see a small market advance if there is any silver lining is that maybe it's that the Clippers are better than they were given credit for and the Mavericks complete post elimination meltdown was unwarranted.
 
KingsFanSince85 said:
Says the guy labeling Kawhi the most overrated player of our time.

You diss the player that’s won multiple DPOY and Final MVP’s yet somehow find it comical when someone correctly labels a career 34% 3-pt shooter that can’t play a lick of defense as a glorified chucker.

Excuse anyone if they don’t take you seriously.
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People try to label Kawhi as a top 5 player which he never was he’s been blessed with stacked teams all his career.
 
Tetsujin said:
Quinn Snyder just got thoroughly outcoached by Ty freaking Lue.
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I'm not sure about that but his loyalty cost him for sure. He stuck with his guy late in that game and it did cost him. However, this is showing more cracks in the game itself when it comes to small ball and I don't think he had too many options with the roster he had. What does he do put Ingles in at center? They aren't loaded with athletic swing forwards so his options were limited. Also, c'mon Gobert, what the F! That dude was running out to the perimeter like someone skipping to the fridge during a commercial break, sure they don't want to miss any of their show but if they miss a few seconds, really, who cares right?

Overall traditional small ball is fading and in it's place, full on Nellie ball. SF's at PF and C. So now even running one defensive oriented big against the elite teams might not be an option anymore. Being full offense or defense as a big comes with huge implications.
 
dude12 said:
Quin Snyder did not have an answer for the Clippers small ball lineup.

Also would love to see the Kings get a PJ Tucker or Pat Beverly type player who defends and gets under the opposition’s skin. Terrence Davis is as close as we got.
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It's just a shame he's too small the way the team is currently constructed. Put that dude on Durant or PG, or Kawhi and good luck. The Kings are too stacked with guards and not enough players like Harrison Barnes in terms of size/build. I thought maybe if the Clipps failed they may look to move on, or Kawhi might bail but probably not now. If you want to win, you have to get through them too.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1406110227246817285

if we’re going to get on Bud and Doc for being chokers maybe we should also get on Quin Snyder?
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Eh, I think the talk was Snyder was still like 90 and 2 or something in that scenario. That's a lot of ground to make up before you start becoming the scapegoat. I just hope the Jazz think he's the problem and fire him lol. If Vivek didn't go after him and held onto Luke in that scenario I'd be done. He's a great coach that took a team with less pure talent built around more of a smallish volume guard by nature and made it work like a machine. Modern era gimmicky as a 3 point shooter but a machine. He just got out gimmicked in 4 straight games by a team that could put a superstar offensive wing at center. In the end, what usually holds true held true, the things that work in the modern game (gimmick level small ball, pressure defense, and switching) when combined with star potential wins out. Shocker. The more things change. Wake up Kings, the model is right there and if you work it right it could work for you too.
 
Jrue missing shots like the Bucka really didn’t Max out their credit cards for him.
 
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Harden doing nothing to dispel that whole “bad in the postseason” narrative for most of the night, banks in a horrible looking shot to potentially seal the game
 
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