NBA Draft: What Will The Kings Do?

[tyguy]

I think we’ll come away with Bey + Murray and I think it’s the best move. Although the Monte McNair failed trade reclamation tour might have one more stop in Washington. Would not be surprised at Kuzma + Deni +10. Both deals would make me very happy. I don’t agree with the Ivey love but I understand it. The timeline we are on with this owner and front office does not suggest a gamble on a superstar talent that would take a few years to begin to really blossom. This roster needs an infusion of talent and quality depth at multiple positions and a trade of the 4 pick can provide that while also keeping us pretty young simultaneously. Whether or not that is the right way to go is debatable but with competition for the 4 pick heating up it’s highly likely that a deal will emerge and next to zero chance Ivey is on the Kings next year.

Rookies typically don’t make really big impacts right away other than players that are stars from the get go. A lot of “polished” role players will still take a couple years to make a positive impact.

We should be able to get a plus impact player like Otto Porter in free agency that will help defensively and space the floor which will go a long way to adding wins. That’s a sounder bet than looking for the ideal fit and someone that’s more seasoned through the draft.

 

[gunks]

Ivey is the pick.

I don't know what the heck Monte is gonna do after making said pick though. If the Ivey hype train keeps rolling, it could potentially facilitate a trade up to the top 2 just as easily (ok maybe not easy, but it could be cheaper than expected) as it could get us some goodies to drop a few spots and get somebody like Daniels or Murray.

This is a really tough draft to read, but I could probably convince myself to be excited about anything but some Vivek ish like trading the pick outright for a middling vet.

 

[Turgenev]

Watched a lot of Detroit basketball at the end of last season. This is the truth. He's streaky like Terrence Davis, but without the tenaciousness of Davis. Bey's value is in his size and proposed skillset.

What he would bring to the Kings is a position of need, but with average production overall. The issue the Kings have is bringing in nothing but mediocre talent thinking that will get them over the top.

Don't get me wrong. I'd take Bey on this team. But if the Kings are dangling that 4th pick, I'd hope for more. Otherwise take the potential stud in Ivey.

So as someone who has subjected themselves to Detroit basketball, would you rate 5 & Grant higher than 5 & Bey? Bey obviously has age, contact length, and contract value on his side. But on court?

 

[kingsboi]

the main two options I'm seeing predicted is trading one spot down to Detroit for Bey or Grant and then nabbing Daniels/Murray or drafting Ivey. I think Monte continues his BPA approach and goes with Murray. Wouldn't be mad at Daniels either, I want defense on this team and if that means drafting one in the top 5 then so be it.

 

[Tetsujin]

So as someone who has subjected themselves to Detroit basketball, would you rate 5 & Grant higher than 5 & Bey? Bey obviously has age, contact length, and contract value on his side. But on court?

I watched a fair bit of Detroit basketball last season (as the conductor of the Cade Cunningham hype train) as well and I would still prefer Bey by a fairly wide margin. At 23 years old coming into next season, he clearly fits our core timeline much better than Grant, who is 28 years old but also has a fair bit of tread on his tires at this point thanks to longer playoff runs with the Thunder and Nuggets earlier in his career. Bey's shooting hasn't particularly been great to start his career ( though he did shoot a more than respectable .380 from three in his rookie season on 6.6 attempts per game) but that Detroit Pistons offense is pretty much a tire fire that only succeeded at times last season because Cade Cunningham is very good and teams couldn't collapse in on them in transition with *gasp* Marvin Bagley on the floor.

Bey's a Jay Wright guy like DDV was so, while he might not be the greatest lockdown defender, he is a very solid team defender who can also play in any team concept on offense. Plus, he's still cheap for the next two seasons and under team control for at least the next half decade.

Grant is pretty much the player we all want Keegan Murray to be. Experience playing off ball with an elite passing big man. Very very good positional defender with some shot blocking acumen. He's turned into a very good free throw shooter in Detroit even as his perimeter shooting has sort of left him at times (though 36% shooting from three is good for a 6'8" switch forward). I absolutely would not mind having him on the Kings and he would immediately push the team at least into the 8/9 seed range on his own as part of a fairly modern Sabonis/Grant/Barnes frontcourt. The main issues I have with him are timeline-wise (he's several years older than Fox and Sabonis) and contract-wise (both he and Barnes would be unrestricted free agents going into the offseason AND Grant has history of just leaving teams out to dry to pursue other opportunities).

Getting either of them with the 5 pick to move down from 4 would be a solid move in my book but if I had to choose, I'd go with Bey 9 times out of 10. (The ideal dream scenario would of course be to somehow get both guys with the 5 and then using Grant to accumulate further capital by moving him to another win now team).

 

[KaiJonesBall]

Rookies typically don’t make really big impacts right away other than players that are stars from the get go. A lot of “polished” role players will still take a couple years to make a positive impact.

We should be able to get a plus impact player like Otto Porter in free agency that will help defensively and space the floor which will go a long way to adding wins. That’s a sounder bet than looking for the ideal fit and someone that’s more seasoned through the draft.

I’m president of the Keegan Murray fan club and also not bullish on Ivey reaching his ceiling so I don’t think there is much difference in long-term value between the two. What Murray will provide day one is defense and outside shooting which this team needs immediately to get us clicking with Fox and Sabonis. I like the Porter move as well but I think Murray would be a positive impact player sooner than you think.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Man it is crazy you go over to twitter or reddit and suggest Bey and these little Detroit cockroaches come out of the woodwork to shoot it down. It's like cool, enjoy picking 5th then. But do they have some kind of alert that pops up every time Bey comes up so they can "we would never!"

But popular players get moved all the time. Ask Haliburton.

 

[206Fan]

I don't think we can lose in the draft. I have most of the guys from 4-10 at the same level. I've also gotten around to being fine with Ivey at #4. I'd be fine with any one of:

• Ivey
• Murray
• Daniels
• Davis
• Mathurin
• Branham
• Griffin

 

[PurpleHaze]

What will the Kings do? Take a Whizz?? https://www.yahoo.com/sports/2022-nba-mock-draft-zaks-035739599.html

 

[AaronPDX]

What will the Kings do? Take a Whizz?? https://www.yahoo.com/sports/2022-nba-mock-draft-zaks-035739599.html

If McNair did this, I'd be done watching the Kings. This is one of THE worst trade scenarios I've seen yet. I kept saying "And who elese?" What a joke SMH

 

[QWERTYLICIOUS]

#Trade4Paolo

And, yes, I am still firmly in possession of my assertion that Paolo Banchero IS the best player coming out of this draft class.

Oh, and by the way, I won't be mad at Monte if we don't end up with Paolo by the end of draft night. Because he (Monte) will still have yielded us a pretty darn good player (whether it be an incoming rookie via the draft itself, or a veteran by virtue of giving up our 4th pick).

But only because "passing up" on the opportunity to draft Paolo will never be the same as passing up on the opportunity to draft Luka Freaking Doncic (Thanks, Vlade...)

PS: Yes, I understand that we most likely do not end up with Paolo Banchero. I am just having a little fun at promoting the kid. Because I know that he will become something extremely special in the NBA. And part of me is a little sad that I won't get to see him wearing Kings colors. Just a small part of me, though...

 

[tyguy]

I’m president of the Keegan Murray fan club and also not bullish on Ivey reaching his ceiling so I don’t think there is much difference in long-term value between the two. What Murray will provide day one is defense and outside shooting which this team needs immediately to get us clicking with Fox and Sabonis. I like the Porter move as well but I think Murray would be a positive impact player sooner than you think.

I like Murray a lot but i don’t think he’s as good of a shooter as advertised. His free throw percentage is mediocre and his three point attempt rate is fairly low. Ivey took threes in higher volume with more difficult attempts to boot at 36 % with the same free throw percentage (higher free throw rate). One guy is labeled as providing shooting while the other is thought of as a non shooter

I do think Murray will end up being a good enough shooter, but I think that’s being oversold a bit. Same with his defense. He is not going to be an elite defender but he will be a positive for sure. Maybe not right away.

Again, Porter would get you clicking right away with his defense and three point shooting.

 

[Noble]

Why would you want Brogdon to play with Fox when you don't even want Doncic to begin with lol.

I had high hopes for Bagley, and?

 

[D13]

What will the Kings do? Take a Whizz?? https://www.yahoo.com/sports/2022-nba-mock-draft-zaks-035739599.html

Zak Hanshew just lost any credibility with this one. Go sell cars dude.

 

[Chupacabra]

If McNair did this, I'd be done watching the Kings. This is one of THE worst trade scenarios I've seen yet. I kept saying "And who elese?" What a joke SMH

Seriously. If I'm trading away Ivey then I want to own my trade partner's a$$ for the next decade.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Although the Monte McNair failed trade reclamation tour might have one more stop in Washington. Would not be surprised at Kuzma + Deni +10. Both deals would make me very happy.

If McNair did this, I'd be done watching the Kings. This is one of THE worst trade scenarios I've seen yet. I kept saying "And who elese?" What a joke SMH

This nonsense happens and I’m very likely to finally to pull the plug on my KINGS fandom of 37 years. I can only take so much ineptitude.

If Monte McNair or any GM believes Kyle freaking Kuzma is a “winning” or worthwhile player, they are unfit for the job they have. Period, end of story.

 

[krylia sovetov]

did kuzma improved his defense since the lakers days?

i like kuzma+avdija+10 idea but also concern about kuzma spiraling down for some reason.

I'm more in favour of bey+5 but pistons will probably ask for davion in return and maybe adding kilian hayes as a sweetener

 

[Albatros]

Randle and New York's pick which will be used to pick someone who is out of the league in a few years.

We'll get about 40 wins next year.

 

[The_Jamal]

I think we end up with Ivey because the offers aren’t what Monte is after. Maybe they package Barnes, Ivey and a 23 first rounder for a star at the deadline.

This seems the most likely outcome. McNair has already shown he doesn't mind punting the decision down the line and see what happens with the 3 guards. Best case, they're awesome together, all compatible playing the 1-2 and getting 30+ MPG with some 3 guard looks thrown in here and there every game. Every team proceeds to hate us for the next 10 years having to defend Fox/Ivey/Mitchell every game. Slightly worse case they're all good, but don't work as a trio and McNair is sitting on another amazing trade chip for another Sabonis out there. Gives you some protection if Davion actually isn't good and not a long-term answer piece too.

I love Keegan, but I think us taking him at 4 has sailed. It's either Ivey or we trade down somewhere to take him.

 

[The_Jamal]

I like Murray a lot but i don’t think he’s as good of a shooter as advertised. His free throw percentage is mediocre and his three point attempt rate is fairly low. Ivey took threes in higher volume with more difficult attempts to boot at 36 % with the same free throw percentage (higher free throw rate). One guy is labeled as providing shooting while the other is thought of as a non shooter

I do think Murray will end up being a good enough shooter, but I think that’s being oversold a bit. Same with his defense. He is not going to be an elite defender but he will be a positive for sure. Maybe not right away.

Again, Porter would get you clicking right away with his defense and three point shooting.

I think what can really swing Murray is if whoever gets him just lets him fire away and see what he can do with 7-8 3ptA/game. Scheme him shot attempts and just really find out if that shot is real as we know he's capable of handling a big offensive workload; just adapt it better for the NBA. Basically, what we should have been doing with elite shooter Harrison Barnes, but for some reason have limited his spacing on a horrible shooting team.

 

[The_Jamal]

I watched a fair bit of Detroit basketball last season (as the conductor of the Cade Cunningham hype train) as well and I would still prefer Bey by a fairly wide margin. At 23 years old coming into next season, he clearly fits our core timeline much better than Grant, who is 28 years old but also has a fair bit of tread on his tires at this point thanks to longer playoff runs with the Thunder and Nuggets earlier in his career. Bey's shooting hasn't particularly been great to start his career ( though he did shoot a more than respectable .380 from three in his rookie season on 6.6 attempts per game) but that Detroit Pistons offense is pretty much a tire fire that only succeeded at times last season because Cade Cunningham is very good and teams couldn't collapse in on them in transition with *gasp* Marvin Bagley on the floor.

Bey's a Jay Wright guy like DDV was so, while he might not be the greatest lockdown defender, he is a very solid team defender who can also play in any team concept on offense. Plus, he's still cheap for the next two seasons and under team control for at least the next half decade.

Grant is pretty much the player we all want Keegan Murray to be. Experience playing off ball with an elite passing big man. Very very good positional defender with some shot blocking acumen. He's turned into a very good free throw shooter in Detroit even as his perimeter shooting has sort of left him at times (though 36% shooting from three is good for a 6'8" switch forward). I absolutely would not mind having him on the Kings and he would immediately push the team at least into the 8/9 seed range on his own as part of a fairly modern Sabonis/Grant/Barnes frontcourt. The main issues I have with him are timeline-wise (he's several years older than Fox and Sabonis) and contract-wise (both he and Barnes would be unrestricted free agents going into the offseason AND Grant has history of just leaving teams out to dry to pursue other opportunities).

Getting either of them with the 5 pick to move down from 4 would be a solid move in my book but if I had to choose, I'd go with Bey 9 times out of 10. (The ideal dream scenario would of course be to somehow get both guys with the 5 and then using Grant to accumulate further capital by moving him to another win now team).

Should be worth noting that Bey had to play with all kinds of nonsense last season with the Pistons "playing" and was basically forced into a 2nd option or lead role when Cade was out by virtue of just being a good NBA player. Dial Bey back to a 3rd/4th option and I think you get something pretty similar to Harrison Barnes offensively. Which now that I think on it, that seems like a perfect comp for him; Harrison Barnes on offense with more switchability on defense.

 

[kb02]

I think what can really swing Murray is if whoever gets him just lets him fire away and see what he can do with 7-8 3ptA/game. Scheme him shot attempts and just really find out if that shot is real as we know he's capable of handling a big offensive workload; just adapt it better for the NBA. Basically, what we should have been doing with elite shooter Harrison Barnes, but for some reason have limited his spacing on a horrible shooting team.

The problem is, if he's on the Kings, he's not going to have plays ran for him and there is no way he's going to hoist 8 three attempts per game. If he's the pick, they're going to have him in the corner, playing that Horford role on offense. Can he do it? I think so. But is it worth a pick in the 4-6 range? At 4? No. At 6? Maybe, if Daniels or Mathurin is off the board.

If the Kings are drafting Murray to play that role, they're better off trading with Washington and grabbing Kuzma (+Deni and #10), who already plays that role well.

 

[Livinthedream]

So as someone who has subjected themselves to Detroit basketball, would you rate 5 & Grant higher than 5 & Bey? Bey obviously has age, contact length, and contract value on his side. But on court?

Good question. To address your question directly, Grant helps the Kings more on the court today. Kings can replicate what Bey does on the court with some of their current players, even though those players are a bit shorter. Kings don't have Grant type player.

Grant opens the door on who you can draft at 5. Daniels or Sharpe come into play as less risky BPA picks when you've already solidified a glaring hole in the roster.

 

[sactowndog]

the main two options I'm seeing predicted is trading one spot down to Detroit for Bey or Grant and then nabbing Daniels/Murray or drafting Ivey. I think Monte continues his BPA approach and goes with Murray. Wouldn't be mad at Daniels either, I want defense on this team and if that means drafting one in the top 5 then so be it.

A better poll would be which trade do you like best for 4 and Holmes

5 and Grant
10 and Kuzma
6 and Brogdan
11 and Randolph

Don’t know if those are all on the table but they would be my guesses.

 

[sactowndog]

Good question. To address your question directly, Grant helps the Kings more on the court today. Kings can replicate what Bey does on the court with some of their current players, even though those players are a bit shorter. Kings don't have Grant type player.

Grant opens the door on who you can draft at 5. Daniels or Sharpe come into play as less risky BPA picks when you've already solidified a glaring hole in the roster.

Yep as does Mathurin and Griffin.

A
Sabonis
Grant
Barnes
Mathurin
Fox

Is a decent starting line-up

 

[sactowndog]

OK, so my gut says that the Kings are going to trade down - but probably just a bit. Even though Detroit knows that Ivey is a strange fit for us, they can't sit back and hope we draft somebody else at #4, because Indiana and Washington and the Knicks are knocking on that door, too. The Pistons will give up Saddiq Bey (we send back Harkless) and probably some pick swap options on their first rounder that is tied up until 2027 to move up one slot for Ivey, then we draft Daniels at #5.

I don’t think Detroit gives up Bey and I think we prefer and they prefer Grant.

Grant is a much better defender and guards the opponents other forward. As for who we draft could be Daniels, Mathurin or Griffin. I would go Griffin as he has length to defend and can shoot.

 

[SLAB]

If the Kings trade 4 for Jerami Grant I’m actively rooting for this team to lose and for Sabonis to walk in a couple seasons.

 

[sactowndog]

Why do people want Bey? his shooting percentages suck.
If they're trading Ivey I hope its for a superstar or something way more then Bey and Keegan Murray..
if they end up with a pick lower then 4 I hope they take Mathurin. Murrays soft. This team needs more thugs.

Yep I want 5 and Grant which I think Detroit would prefer anyway. With the 5th pick I take Mathurin.

I roll into next season with
Sabonis
Grant
Barnes
Mathurin
Fox

Mitchell
DDV
Lyles
Looney
Metu

 

[sactowndog]

If the Kings trade 4 for Jerami Grant I’m actively rooting for this team to lose and for Sabonis to walk in a couple seasons.

For Grant alone or Grant and 5?

 

[sactowndog]

Man it is crazy you go over to twitter or reddit and suggest Bey and these little Detroit cockroaches come out of the woodwork to shoot it down. It's like cool, enjoy picking 5th then. But do they have some kind of alert that pops up every time Bey comes up so they can "we would never!"

But popular players get moved all the time. Ask Haliburton.

Yeah but if your goal is to make the playoffs next year I think you prefer Grant and 5. Grant provides the wing defender you need and you hope you can keep Barnes and Grant. If you are in good shape at the trade deadline you extend them both. If not you trade both.