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KingMilz
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Boogie_Fever
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I hate the Warriors.
What's the world coming to, when I can't even be happy that the Warriors lost?
Glenn
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Evolution, I suppose. I don't hate them.
Who said I'm in Sacramento?
itzcoatl
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I dislike their style of play and bandwagon fans.
I assumed you weren't a Sacramentan and, therefore, chose to say it that way.
biltalent
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http://friendlybounce.com/2016/03/0...ay/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Malone defends Parsons on the inbounds play.
Haha I love it
Malone defends Parsons on the inbounds play.
Haha I love it
Okay, fine, I'll rephrase: what reason would anyone in Sacramento have to not hate the Warriors? If you consider yourself a fan of any team, why would hating any other team in that sport not be the default?
For me? I can't think of any NBA I hate. I love Kings, always have. For other Kings fans? A default hate? Don't see it. Specific hates for some? Sure.
For young Kings fans (under 40) in Sacramento, sure, they have no great reason for an attachment with the Warriors. But for me, a every game radio fan from the early 70's till the coming of the Kngs, I have a ongoing good feeling about GS.
Hating NBA teams seems like waste. At games I frequently applaud the visiting team when the starting lineups are announced - you can't have a game if they weren't there.
lawlman91
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malone dpoyhttp://friendlybounce.com/2016/03/0...ay/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Malone defends Parsons on the inbounds play.
Haha I love it
I don't think that you're using the word "hate" the same way I am. If "fan is short for fanatic," and I believe it is, then I don't see how someone who claims to be a fan of a team can not hate their rivals. There are, after all, different levels of hate.
But that's just a semantic hijack* of the main thesis of my original question, which was: what does being from Sacramento have to do with whether or not anyone would hate the Golden State Warriors?
*Now, if you'd rather focus on the semantic hijack, I'll be happy to go Full Pedant.
Haven't the foggiest notion of what you are talking about. Why do I love the Kings? Because they are in Sacramento. Did you know that "The City" is just down the road 85 miles - a very short distance in California. You know, I've been a fan of the Giants, the 49ers, the Warriors, the theatre, the food, and the ambiance there for a long while. I wouldn't blame anyone else for feeling the same way.
What kind of sense that make? According to that logic, I should root for the Hawks, Braves and Falcons. What an odious idea that is!
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It seems to me that the factors that influence which teams fans root for, and which teams fans root against, and how strongly they do each of these, are pretty diverse and it would be a mistake to assume that Fan A's motivations could be even remotely mapped onto Fan B's motivations and vice versa. De gustibus non disputandum est, and all that.
That's missing the point, and you're actually arguing against what @pshn80 said. His answer to my question of why wouldn't someone from Sacramento root against the Warriors came down to 'because tribalism'*. That's not an argument in favor of diversity of reasons; it's an argument against it. It's a direct refutation of your statement that the reasons are and ought be diverse. That's not a "matters of taste" argument, that's a "If you're from X, you should root for these guys, because they're the next closest team" argument.
*Not that it needs to be clarified, but that is a summation of his words, not a direct quotation.
I'm not arguing "root for the closest team" I do root for the closest team, my home town. Now how creepy is that?
No, I didn't miss a point at all. I made a point.
You and pshn80 clearly do not have the same factors that determine which teams you root for and which teams you don't. My point is that you shouldn't try to map his motivations onto yours - they are not the same.
I think you and I have different definitions of tribalism. It appears to me from your statements above that you define tribalism as "group membership based on proximity".
Under my definition,"tribalism" and the reasons behind one's choice of group membership (including possible proximity) are unrelated. For instance, your choice to be a member of the group of Kings fans for reasons other than proximity is as perfectly legitimate in making you a Kings fan as my choice to be a Kings fan (which was initially influenced by proximity). Choosing to root for a team because it is close is not "tribalism" to me - in fact choosing group membership for any reason is not enough to rise to the level of "tribalism". I believe that one can be a Kings fan and not exhibit the tendencies that I would assign to "tribalism". Those tendencies that I do assign to "tribalism" basically are of the classic in-group/out-group dichotomy - thinking such as "Person X is a Mavericks fan, so Person X must be unintelligent or a bad person" is tribalistic thinking. So is the tendency to "hate" other teams. Therefore, under my definition, what appears to be your position ("If you consider yourself a fan of any team, why would hating any other team in that sport not be the default?") would be at the more extreme end of tribalistic us-vs.-them thinking whereas hating only the Lakers or only the Warriors would be a milder version of the same. Not hating the Warriors despite other members of the group considering them a rival is on its face non-tribalistic to me.
I don't believe he made that argument at all. I believe that he made the argument that during his younger days he was a fan of the Warriors (influenced by proximity) and that he still has fond feelings for them. He never said people from Sacramento should like the Warriors, he simply didn't understand why they should by default hate them. Again, the factors that have influenced his fandom are far different than yours and so it would appear are his ideas about how a fan of one team should by default consider other teams.
I do find it mildly amusing that in my eye, pshn80 is exhibiting non-tribal thinking, and you are exhibiting relatively strong tribal thinking, yet you are accusing him of tribalism. But I also think it's pretty clear that we do not agree on what "tribalism" is.
Glenn
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I'll give this a shot. I don't hate is #1. I can't envisage hating a team and that even goes for the Lakers. I don't grok hate.
Oh, dear, I see the conversation went on and on. Don't have the energy to read it all as it isn't that important to me as I hope my initial sentences indicate.
- "Creepy" was your word, not mine.
- I just don't consider there to be any intrinsic virtue in the place where you dwell. I freely stipulate that my feelings in this matter are greatly informed by the fact that the first 87 percent of my life was essentially nomadic. I'll be forty-one in May, and I've never lived at the same address for five years in a row, in my entire life. I have no concept of "roots," and I have no concept of "home town." The idea of rooting for a sports club, "because that's where I'm from" is completely alien to me.
I did no such thing. I simply took exception to implication, as I saw it, that he was saying there was something defective about Sacramentans hating Golden State. I don't care that he doesn't hate the Warriors. I kind of care that he seems to think that other Sacramentans shouldn't, either. At least, that's how I took it.
This is correct. I stipulate that this isn't the only effective definition of tribalism, but it is the simplest and, in my opinion, the one most likely to apply to most sports fans.
Yeeeeeah... You're not going to convince me that the average sports fan has this sort of nuanced perspective, sorry.
I never accused him of saying that people from Sacramento should like the Warriors. Again, I take exception to the idea that dislike, as a default, should have to be explained or defended. I stipulate that this may be due to the fact that I am, generally, a miserable person.
I've never liked the Warriors and see no reason to change now. Before the Kings came to Sacramento, I was a Celtics fan.
Wait until tomorrow night. Cleveland will look like they've been anointed by Naismith.
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Nothing really matters until the playoffs, I mean the Raptors kill teams in the regular season and look godly and props to them I would love the Kings to be that successful but they got SMOKED in the playoffs every year. Sometimes it's just hard to get up to play crap teams that's all it is.
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