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NBA Beat: Trading Bryant looks to be tough proposition for Lakers
By Scott Howard-Cooper - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 2:35 am PDT Sunday, October 21, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C8


Of course the Kings have a great chance to land Kobe Bryant and become meaningful again. One side has playboy owner Jerry Buss, a Vegas-run kinda guy, and the other has a hotel just off the Strip with hot nightclubs and gambling. Done.

Because they must deal in basketball terms, though, and because it's hard to work a lifetime pass for the penthouse suite under the salary cap, the Lakers have few realistic options as they officially opened the Bryant sweepstakes after Buss' change of direction that he would entertain offers. Offers with a fair return, that is.

That's where it gets very difficult for the Lakers. The challenges are many, even if one of the biggest – their previous public and private stance that Bryant will not be dealt – was removed when Buss said all possibilities are now on the table. The owner, a man of patience during many moments in the organization of the never-ending soap opera, had enough and decided to take back his team.

Not only must the Lakers search for fair value, they almost certainly must get marquee value as well. Talent alone almost certainly will not do it. They will want glitz as part of any package for Bryant, not just a new future with the players.

The Hollywood thing may be a tired cliché in references to many Los Angeles teams, but it remains very real with the Lakers, whose owner not only understands the appeal of show-business sparkle but pushes it. The Laker Girls were Buss' idea. So he knows it would be a tough sell to a demanding fan base if the biggest name that came in return would be Luol Deng, even if Deng has the makings of becoming a star and the Bulls could make a very credible offer.

Few teams have the necessary salary to send back without involving bad contracts (Bryant is on the cap for $19.49 million this season), the necessary players that would seriously tempt Buss and Co., and the necessary pop. Phoenix for sure, if the Suns would start with Amare Stoudemire. But that's unlikely, since they wouldn't sacrifice Stoudemire to get Kevin Garnett, who was a greater need as a big man. Chicago only maybe, since the Bulls have several talented young players, except none is able to top a marquee.

Plus, it is almost certain that Buss would prefer to send Bryant as far from Los Angeles as possible, just as Bryant would love the opportunity to be close enough to stay in the Lakers' face and remind them what they lost. Meanwhile, he holds the only no-trade clause in the league, with the option to dictate a destination. It's just much different from actually getting there, or anywhere.

Healing powers

Meet the new Nets, same as the old Nets.

New Jersey goes from a .500 team to one that could contend for the Eastern Conference title, despite a mild offseason where the boldest additions came in the signing of Jamaal Magloire and the drafting of Sean Williams, neither of whom is ticketed for the starting lineup. Consideration of a major shake-up ended as soon as Jermaine O'Neal trade talks ended with Indiana.

Finding the potential for real improvement already in-house, the Nets instead get their old starting lineup back. Underrated center Nenad Krstic returns after his 2006-07 season ended in December because of a torn knee ligament, and Richard Jefferson is back at small forward after missing nearly two months following ankle surgery. Jefferson did return late last season to help a 13-8 push for another playoff berth. Krstic and Jefferson together again with Jason Kidd and Vince Carter means anything is possible in the East.

Williams is the intriguing newcomer, an athletic power forward from Boston College with the potential to torment opponents as a shot blocker. He comes to a team built to win now, though, so the possibility of the Nets and Pacers rekindling the O'Neal talks remain, perhaps a slow start away in New Jersey as healthy players return and expectations grow.

Houston: Mission aborted

The Allan Houston comeback ended Saturday without ever really beginning. His latest retirement became official after the Knicks openly portrayed his chance of making the team as bleak and, come to think of it, the fourth-leading scorer in franchise history didn't have much chance in the first place.

What could have been a unique tale of a player returning to his former team after a serious knee injury and a little more than 2 1/2 years since his last game was actually little more than a team doing a favor for an old friend. Houston came to camp a long shot without a guaranteed contract, but coach-president Isiah Thomas soon admitted to the media that any other 36-year-old with a history of knee problems "never would have" been indulged in the same way.

Houston played in one of the first three exhibition games, for six minutes, and was asked not to dress for the fourth – sitting behind the Knicks' bench Thursday at New Jersey. Two days later, he saved the Knicks the trouble of cutting him and left on his own.

About the writer: The Bee's Scott Howard-Cooper can be reached at showard- cooper@sacbee.com.
 
Plus, it is almost certain that Buss would prefer to send Bryant as far from Los Angeles as possible, just as Bryant would love the opportunity to be close enough to stay in the Lakers' face and remind them what they lost. Meanwhile, he holds the only no-trade clause in the league, with the option to dictate a destination. It's just much different from actually getting there, or anywhere.

Vindicative and bitter person that I am when it comes to talking about the "brave little soldier" and the Lakers, I hope they cannot find a way to trade him and he simply sits and festers in Staples ... And I actually almost thought about maybe feeling just a tad guilty for hoping that, but it went away.

;)
 
Vindicative and bitter person that I am when it comes to talking about the "brave little soldier" and the Lakers, I hope they cannot find a way to trade him and he simply sits and festers in Staples ... And I actually almost thought about maybe feeling just a tad guilty for hoping that, but it went away.

;)


I would not feel guilty...........not even for a second. :p
 
If he's not traded, and I don't think he will be, he'll be an unrestricted free agent in two years. He'll still have time to win another championship at 31, even if he may be entering the downside of his career at the time.

Regarding the Nets, and Magloire not being in the starting lineup, surely they're not planning on starting Jason Collins. I don't think I've seen a lower PER for a starting player, ever.
 
I would not feel guilty...........not even for a second. :p

I didn't say I actually felt guilty. I simply admitted to ALMOST thinking about whether or not I should perhaps feel a tad guilty. But, as I said, that thought went away very quickly.

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Dr. Buss and Captian Mitch knew whoa nd what the Kobelet was when they handed him the keys to the team. Sorry no symapthy for the Lakers, their org aor their fans and I sure as heck have no sympathy the human carcinoma eating away at the team.
 
Being the superstar of your team and being on a winning team is different. Reminds me of Allen Iverson. I have never seen Kobe spotting up in the corner for a three or doing a pick.
 
Being the superstar of your team and being on a winning team is different. Reminds me of Allen Iverson. I have never seen Kobe spotting up in the corner for a three or doing a pick.

I will criticize Kobe Bryant as much as anyone else on this board, but this comment is just silly. Bryant is fully capable of spotting up AND setting a pick, and I've actually seen him do both ... against the Kings.

Trying to minimize his skills to discredit him is just silly.
 
Kobe Bryant is an immensely talented player on both ends of the court. He is amazing to watch. Unfortunately, his team keeps stumbling over his gigantic ego.
 
lol, I didn't know you care that much about Kobe VF21. You can back him all you want. I played enough games to know a ballhog when I see one. The more a person tries to take over the more the team defers and hate. If a ballhogger sucks the team simply won't pass the ball to him anymore. If he's good like Kobe than everyone just watch. Ballhoggers can look like heroes but their team always lose whether its in the nba, school, street, or backyard. Kobe's no exception despite all the worshippers.

I should also say anyone can spot up and do a pick. I didn't say he couldn't. It's the CHOOSING to do so. Kobe doesn't do it nearly enough despite being a good shooter.
 
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lol, I didn't know you care that much about Kobe VF21. You can back him all you want. I played enough games to know a ballhog when I see one. The more a person tries to take over the more the team defers and hate. If a ballhogger sucks the team simply won't pass the ball to him anymore. If he's good like Kobe than everyone just watch. Ballhoggers can look like heroes but their team always lose whether its in the nba, school, street, or backyard. Kobe's no exception despite all the worshippers.

I should also say anyone can spot up and do a pick. I didn't say he couldn't. It's the CHOOSING to do so. Kobe doesn't do it nearly enough despite being a good shooter.

I care about the game of basketball. And I don't care what you call Kobe, he is one of the best to ever play the game.

You said:

I have never seen Kobe spotting up in the corner for a three or doing a pick.

I called you on it because it was an erroneous statement. Saying he doesn't do it nearly enough is entirely and totally different than saying you've never seen him do it.
 
lol, I didn't know you care that much about Kobe VF21. You can back him all you want. I played enough games to know a ballhog when I see one. The more a person tries to take over the more the team defers and hate. If a ballhogger sucks the team simply won't pass the ball to him anymore. If he's good like Kobe than everyone just watch. Ballhoggers can look like heroes but their team always lose whether its in the nba, school, street, or backyard. Kobe's no exception despite all the worshippers.

I should also say anyone can spot up and do a pick. I didn't say he couldn't. It's the CHOOSING to do so. Kobe doesn't do it nearly enough despite being a good shooter.

Come on man, I don't like Kobe either but this is silly. Who's he going to set a pick for? Smush Parker? Luke Walton? Smush would probably just dribble the ball off of his foot. No one' capable of dribble penetration and most people can't even shoot the ball properly. MAYBE you could do something for Odom but that would require Odom to engage in the effort to move to Kobe to take advantage of said pick instead of camping on the three point line or floating around the court in fantasy land. And why would you set a pick for anyone. Kobe shoots 46% from the field despite taking 20 shots a game. Statistically he's your best scoring option and one of the most efficient for the volume of shots he takes. You could argue that he doesn't pass enough when he draws double teams but even that isn't really true.

And why the hell would he spot up? Who's going to draw a double team to free up Kobe in the corner. Hell most people would double Kobe anyway because someone like Kwame or Smush will still turn the ball over even without a defender. That team was pure garbage.

Like I said, people in the NBA spouted the same bs about T-Mac when he was in Orlando. The moment he got a good supporting cast, he went from selfish superstar to premiere point forward. It's really no coincidence. Kobe's a jerk in many ways off of the court but on the court, I really can't fault him for too much, at least not with this sorry excuse for a team.
 
this is funny; kobe was playing with shaq, remember?? and since he wanted to be da man and not be remembered as a side-kick to shaq, he, kobe, made the lakers trade him, shaq; remember??
i agree completely with the second post of kyo2002; kobe is a ballhogger, he is not a team player and as such he is not a good basketball player.

and enough already with kobe this, kobe that stuff. he has become the britney spears of basketball; how can you just fall into this trap?
 
this is funny; kobe was playing with shaq, remember?? and since he wanted to be da man and not be remembered as a side-kick to shaq, he, kobe, made the lakers trade him, shaq; remember??
i agree completely with the second post of kyo2002; kobe is a ballhogger, he is not a team player and as such he is not a good basketball player.

and enough already with kobe this, kobe that stuff. he has become the britney spears of basketball; how can you just fall into this trap?

I know you probably didn't watch TEAM USA this past summer, so you probably didn't get a chance to see just how much of a team player Kobe Bryant can actually be.

Sorry, twocents, but kyo2002 is totally off-base ... and I do not particularly like Kobe Bryant, which I'm sure just about anyone knows.
 
Regarding the Nets, and Magloire not being in the starting lineup, surely they're not planning on starting Jason Collins. I don't think I've seen a lower PER for a starting player, ever.
Why wouldn't they start Krstic? Do they not think he'll be able to go on opening night?
 
I know you probably didn't watch TEAM USA this past summer, so you probably didn't get a chance to see just how much of a team player Kobe Bryant can actually be.

Sorry, twocents, but kyo2002 is totally off-base ... and I do not particularly like Kobe Bryant, which I'm sure just about anyone knows.

there is a fundamental difference between "can" and "is": potential vs real/actual. i am not going to delve more into this; i do not like kobe; not as a person, not as a sports character. and i do not follow the, i hate him but you gotta give him ... school of thought. for me, he is the personification of everything that is wrong about the nba.
 
Why wouldn't they start Krstic? Do they not think he'll be able to go on opening night?

I think Krstic is probably the PF.

But Collins, actually BOTH of the Collins boys (the other in Utah), has been stuck in luckiest man on Earth land for years now. Some sort of bizarre safety blanket for Coach Frank even though he can't do much of anything out on the basketball court other than body somebody. Collins would be going over Magloire this time, if he does. Kidd/Carter/Jefferson/Krstic/Collins. Because NJ has won so many big games with him at C you know. :rolleyes:
 
there is a fundamental difference between "can" and "is": potential vs real/actual.
Okay... and Bryant actually did demonstrate a team mindset and play team basketball in the FIBA Americas tournament; is that actual enough for you, doctor?
 
Okay... and Bryant actually did demonstrate a team mindset and play team basketball in the FIBA Americas tournament; is that actual enough for you, doctor?

i was writing a long answer then i realized that i was wasting my time on kobe; not worth it, really. the crux of my argument was team usa is different from any other team kobe is likely to be part of: it is virtually impossible to hog the ball on that team.

don't go all kobe on me. ;)
 
it is virtually impossible to hog the ball on that team.

;)

Yet some players did that exactly, when the ball got to them they never gave it back and they took a shot almost every time. I am guessing that you did not watch the FIBA games at all and you are just gussing way out here, if you watched the games, atleast a couple of them then you would know what Kobe did in the team and importantly the other players I am talking about.

Most part they played as a team but there were a few players who stalled the offense and played more one on one than running an offensive set.
 
kobe is a ballhogger, he is not a team player and as such he is not a good basketball player.

and enough already with kobe this, kobe that stuff. he has become the britney spears of basketball; how can you just fall into this trap?

Who are good basketball players in your opinion. GOOD is a very subjective term and anyone can have their own definition so trying to understand your definition of it
 
I see we're stuck in the love-hate of Kobedom. twocents the dark force is strong within you. You got some of the best anti-Kobe lines. Britney Spears of basketball lol.

Kobe's going through the reverse Jordan cycle e.g. the Piston obstacle years. Kobe has the natural gift of focusing the defense. The harder he plays, the harder he pushes himself, the more focus and determined the defense. Kobe's highly unsubtle. There is a rule somewhere that says a person shouldn't hold on to the ball longer than three seconds or five at most. Just go out there, play a game, hold on to the ball for more than five seconds around the perimeter and you'll see a drastic transformation in everyone on the court. They're all probably just standing there looking at you.
 
If he's not traded, and I don't think he will be, he'll be an unrestricted free agent in two years. He'll still have time to win another championship at 31, even if he may be entering the downside of his career at the time.

Regarding the Nets, and Magloire not being in the starting lineup, surely they're not planning on starting Jason Collins. I don't think I've seen a lower PER for a starting player, ever.

Unfortunately, Lawrence Frank disagrees with you. Collins does only one thing good - man to man defense. He can't even play team defense such as shot blocking or even defensive rebounding. His offensive game isn't even worth criticizing. - my fingers would blister from typing too much..that's how bad it is. Marc Jackson calls him "Set Shot Willie" lolol since all he dose is take terrible looking jump shots. And all opponents do is sag off of him and double Vince and RJ when they isolate on the wings. At least with Moore, they could at least pass to a finisher.
 
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