My letter to Ailene Voisin:

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Ailene:

The poster (bigbadred00) from kingsfans.com who e-mailed you to refute your above named article (http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/13073770p-13918992c.ht) and subsequently posted your response online, did NOT speak for all posters!

I concur with you completely: Webber became a desperate player post injury, hoping "his" team and the fans would eventually believe in HIM once again. His play did not appear to be about the team --his constant insistance on handling the ball every time down the court was telling of that -- but more about himself and, dare I say, keeping Peja on the wing looking lost. Due diligence from Web for a player who literally carried the team when he was out for his 52 games? I hardly think so. Payback for Peja usurping his "greatness" behind his back and possibly becoming "great" himself during his own downtime? Maybe. A famous clashing of the egotistical and the eccentric? Possibly. But "team" play? NO!

If Webber was indeed in charge of the team he couldn't be nailed on that issue, and he brought Bibby into his no-pass camp and later, Cat. Web "had the power" and he selfishly used it to rack minutes, trying in vain to force his way into legitimate play again. That, I believe, was his main goal and everything else became secondary. We saw that in game after game when, late in the 4th quarter there would be Web on the floor during crucial minutes, hobbling and demanding, not going where he could before but wanting like hell to make an impact in some small way. I remember his verbal display of disgust after a game that Adelman benched him for the fist time in a 4th quarter crucial, and it never happened again; a sure sign WEB was "in charge". Web seemed bent on using his apparent authority to his own personal advantage. Although his heart was an important, integral part of Kings team moral, his pride ALWAYS seemed to come first.

When Web was traded, it was said of Peja by "someone in his camp" that he was happy. Then three new players were introduced into the lineup. Cat and Bibby continued leaving Peja on the wing, now actually calling for the ball. Purest shooter in the league on your team, and screens and passing become obsolete, no practices to run plays, no introduction of Princeton offense to the newbies and you have a prescription for disaster for one who once was the NBA's most successful 3-point scorer.

Peja needs to improve his game, but what we have is as good a shooter there is in the league. He is not a leader-type, but has proven his worth in stepping up when the "franchise player" was out. Albeit true, all of this Web vs. Peja stuff is fodder because what we have left is Peja. Web is gone. The Web fans are still bent on protecting his name and I afford them the right to do so, however I personally never thought as much of Web's play as his staunch supporters do, and even less of his character (though I understand his pre-injury effectiveness and the fact that he helped put Sacramento on the map of elite teams, once). Why I don't feel a need to solidify my stance with harsh rhetorical comments I don't know, guess I'll just leave that job to you and support it. You're the professional, what I have to say has little value in comparison so I look for your articles to so eloquently say what I cannot or just plain do not.

Web's legacy will always be a controversial one, and your "side of the story" is as legitimate as any Kings' supporter, why do others feel you should have an alegience either way? Because it isn't THEIR way? You write about many other things related to sports, and do a fine job to boot.

Too bad the "We Love Web" masses do not understand what we do: The Maloof's obviously sided with us, to our wonderment. He was paid the max, but was on the decline and not worthy of max pay any longer on his current b-ball merits. My sympathies are with those who feel the loss, as I'm sure yours are, but let us have our say man!

[size=+0]I know you will not stop saying what is your right to speak, and I'll take that a step further and post this letter to you under my unsername at kingsfans.com. It's time for some there to listen to OTHER opinions without constantly poo-pooing them. Just because they aren't popular doesn't make them invalid, plus I kinda resented being lumped in there with "all Kingsfans posters", so this is my response. :) [/size]

I respect your influence, in fact I was accused of being YOU after my very first post at Kingsfans.com, it was an honor. It made me pay attention to your stuff, and I've rarely been disappointed.

Keep up the good work,
original signed - A fan on your side.
 
albeitrue said:
Ailene:


Too bad the "We Love Web" masses do not understand what we do: The Maloof's obviously sided with us, to our wonderment. He was paid the max, but was on the decline and not worthy of max pay any longer on his current b-ball merits. My sympathies are with those who feel the loss, as I'm sure yours are, but let us have our say man!
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Is it the job of a professional writer to take stabs at a player who is no longer even with the organization. To me, that is the most unprofessional thing a sports writer can do. Its crossing the line of reporting by letting personal emotions and feelings get in the way of the actual story.
 
Yes, it is, but as long as one agrees with that view point, then it's all good.

I'm glad you wrote her, albeitrue, we wouldn't want her to feel no one agreed with her. Thank goodness some of you 'understand', unlike the rest of us bozos. Nice dig.
 
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thesanityannex said:
Is it the job of a professional writer to take stabs at a player who is no longer even with the organization. To me, that is the most unprofessional thing a sports writer can do. Its crossing the line of reporting by letting personal emotions and feelings get in the way of the actual story.

i completely agree...that fault and the tendency of sports writers to focus on the negatives and bad things of athletes and to find reasons to make fans dislike athletes they do not personally like are the two reasons why i most want to be a sports writer. give sports fans a real, unbias, fair article, even when analyzing and speculating...!!!

voisin sucks, sorry allbeitrue
 
thesanityannex said:
Is it the job of a professional writer to take stabs at a player who is no longer even with the organization. To me, that is the most unprofessional thing a sports writer can do. Its crossing the line of reporting by letting personal emotions and feelings get in the way of the actual story.

I think that's the relevant point. The article wasn't about Webber, the Kings or even the Sixers. It was about McDyess and the Pistons. Unfortunately, what could have been a good article was rendered much less significant because Voisin STILL can't let go of any opportunity to take a jab at Webber.

That's my objection. The time has past. Just like we can't continue to blame Jason Williams for passes into the cheap seats, we can't continue to hold Webber responsible for either the bad or the good. The ship sailed...and has gone out of sight over the horizon.
 
VF21 said:
I think that's the relevant point. The article wasn't about Webber, the Kings or even the Sixers. It was about McDyess and the Pistons. Unfortunately, what could have been a good article was rendered much less significant because Voisin STILL can't let go of any opportunity to take a jab at Webber.

That's my objection. The time has past. Just like we can't continue to blame Jason Williams for passes into the cheap seats, we can't continue to hold Webber responsible for either the bad or the good. The ship sailed...and has gone out of sight over the horizon.

This ship was lost in the Bermuda Triangle, I don't know how it keeps resurfacing.
 
I think it's because people insist on diving the wreckage for personal gain.;)


Can't she write another article about Darius' milky white complexion?
 
According to one episode of MythBusters, it could actually have been raised with lots of ping pong balls.
 
Back to the topic, or sort of, if I were to aspire to be mistaken for a Bee writer, I would want to be Mark Kreidler
 
Albe, in the words of John McEnroe "YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS"
How can you agree with the drivel she writes? She makes digs at people for no reason especially Chris and Rick, totally unnecessarily most of the time. If I got the paper, I'd use her articles for toilet paper, that's all they're good for.
I can't believe you're on her side!!:eek:
Chris did a lot of great things for this team and if you can't appreciate that or at least acknowledge it then you have a bigger problem than she does.
I hope you didn't actually send that, she needs no encouragement, in fact she needs to be stopped and I think a lot of people agree with me on that.
 
Loopy, to be perfectly fair, Ailene DOES write some good articles on occasion. Besides, newsprint is much too rough to use as TP, use it to line the bird cage instead.... or house-train the puppies, like I do. The mere sight of her visage makes them have to go now:D
 
albeitrue said:
Ailene:

1.Why I don't feel a need to solidify my stance with harsh rhetorical comments I don't know, guess I'll just leave that job to you and support it.
2.You're the professional, what I have to say has little value in comparison.
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Number one, it sounds like she's brainwashed you.

Number two, you said it yourself, what you say has little value. I will agree with you there.

Number three, it's really hard to read BULL**** with out poo-pooing on it. The two go hand in hand.
 
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I understood that posting this letter would be controversial to say the least, and it was...as stated in the beginning of the body...an attempt to clear up any misunderstanding to Ailene Voisin.

( http://forums.kingsfans.com/showthread.php?t=5999&page=3 )

"This isn't a sole view point, this is a view point of all Kings fans on kingsfans.com."

No, it isn't, and my viewpoint has largely been left unsaid out of true respect for the loss of Web. It is an emotional issue to be sure, Voisin seems able to ruffle feathers with few choice words. Sometimes it's pure hatred, sometimes constructive...but she still has a right to say it and I have a right to defend her right to say it!

Yes, Web has been traded ... old news. But when someone posts their personal e-mail response from ANYONE who cannot defend themselves, it's fair game to defend, and that's what I tried to accomplish here. I don't have any plans to ask for her hand in marriage, however, since I am a heterosexual, married female. ;)

As to any digs you think I made Kingsgurl, I was making none. I only stated that we (as in AV and me) were justified in our beliefs about Web because he was traded, not that you are "bozo's" for having supported him (and continuing to support him).

And Loopy: Your opinion is noted and accepted!

The truth is all Web supporters have legitimate beefs where AV's articles are concerned, it's not about that. I think we should be a little more broad about our views on freedom of speech, even here at Kingsfans.com. If I have offended anyone it was never, NEVER my intention to do so.

I'm a person too, LOL!
 
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albeitrue - First, it is not in any way, shape or form about the freedom of speech. That's for governments.

Primarily, the main complaint being voiced is WHY Voisin felt the need to jab at Webber in an article that clearly could have stood just as well, and quite possibly better, without the jab. AV has made her points about him incessantly, whether appropriate or not. That's the complaint. Not whether or not she has a right to make them.

Ailene Voisin is a big girl, a professional journalist. She can take the criticisms. AND if she doesn't like them, she can always come here and defend herself against them if that's her wont.

She LOVES to be controversial. She's not stupid. If she didn't like the heat she would have gotten out of the kitchen a LONG time ago.
 
The issue here isn't about free speech. No one said she (or you) shouldn't have your opinion. However, the article wasn't ABOUT Web, nor should it have been. Your entire response dealt with Web. I think she did a dis-service to McDyess in that an otherwise good article is now being discounted because she couldn't resist bringing up things that really were a stretch to include.


Perhaps you didn't mean the tone that came across in the line I referenced, but that's how it reads. Perhaps a trait you have picked up along the line;)
 
thesanityannex said:
Number one, it sounds like she's brainwashed you.

Number two, you said it yourself, what you say has little value. I will agree with you there.

Number three, it's really hard to read BULL**** with out poo-pooing on it. The two go hand in hand.
Honestly, she couldn't have brainwashed me because I seriously had read very little to none of her stuff before I started posting here. Truth is I have NEVER liked Web, and was unhappy that we signed him in 2000! True he made Kings great, he helped put Sacramento on the map (and I said this in my letter to AV), but I just never liked his work ethics, to be honest. But I always gave him credit when it was due.

to Number two, your opinion is noted and accepted!

to Number three, I suggest that what makes it BULL**** to you is that you don't agree with it, and that's okay. Just my opinion, but again...WHO AM I?

I just really want to learn to express my beliefs honestly and non-prejudically (is that a word!) and not be an arsehole in the process. You all deserve that and so do I.
 
That's fine -- I myself chose instead to have a little conversation with her editor about professionalism. Consider addressing the hack directly to be beneath my dignity.
 
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Kingsgurl said:
The issue here isn't about free speech. No one said she (or you) shouldn't have your opinion. However, the article wasn't ABOUT Web, nor should it have been. Your entire response dealt with Web. I think she did a dis-service to McDyess in that an otherwise good article is now being discounted because she couldn't resist bringing up things that really were a stretch to include.


Perhaps you didn't mean the tone that came across in the line I referenced, but that's how it reads. Perhaps a trait you have picked up along the line;)
The issue REALLY was about free speech, what she put in the article offended someone to the point of writing her an e-mail (which stated that he/she was speaking for all posters on Kingsfans.com) and then POSTING Voisin's privately e-mailed response here. Then when her PRIVATELY E-MAILED response was dogged, it became my mission to a) defend myself as a poster at Kingsfans.com and b) defend AV who I have ALWAYS agreed with. You believe she shouldn't have included the Web/McDyess comparison, and I would tend to agree with you. But, again, that wasn't my point!

And no, the tone was NOT to dog Webber supporters. It's your right to support Webber, just like it's my right to say I don't. Nothing personal.
 
albeitrue said:
. Why I don't feel a need to solidify my stance with harsh rhetorical comments I don't know, guess I'll just leave that job to you and support it..


The brainwashing comment came from this. It seems like you will blindly support anything she writes.

And I think the entire point is missed here. This isn't about her not being able to voice her opinion, which she has every right to do, but, if she is going to trash players for some personal entertainment, that is wherein the problem lies. And just as much as you can defend her, we can dog her all we want. Its called criticism and its what you get when you put your own work in the public's eye. Deal with it.
 
albeitrue said:
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Yes, Web has been traded ... old news. But when someone posts their personal e-mail response from ANYONE who cannot defend themselves, it's fair game to defend, and that's what I tried to accomplish here...
You are right...
I knew it, it were you trueblue, had a bit doubt before ;).
 
Good lord, excuse my language but, talk about sucking someone off.

Once again, if her point was accurate, there would've been no debate, no letter writing. The letter that was written to her and posted here was a rebuttal to her comparison that the two situations were similar. A fact that seems to be lost on you. Blinding hating people can do that.
 
Originally Posted by albeitrue
Why I don't feel a need to solidify my stance with harsh rhetorical comments I don't know, guess I'll just leave that job to you and support it.


thesanityannex said:
The brainwashing comment came from this. It seems like you will blindly support anything she writes.
Well, if there was a dig to AV in my letter, that would be it. ;) I don't see how you think I blindly support EVERYTHING she says from that, thesanityannex.

And I think the entire point is missed here. This isn't about her not being able to voice her opinion, which she has every right to do, but, if she is going to trash players for some personal entertainment, that is wherein the problem lies. And just as much as you can defend her, we can dog her all we want. Its called criticism and its what you get when you put your own work in the public's eye. Deal with it.
She has given Web his props when they are due, but largely she has been "non-supportive", I would say, yes. Does she take it too far at times? I would tend to think so... but at least she isn't like another prominant sports person who fully and totally supported Web until he was gone, then turned the dogs on him. THAT was harsh.

Personal entertainment? Puhleeeeeease. Yes, she's gonna get fired on since she puts her tuff "out there", who doesn't? I applaud her courage to say what she thinks, and she obviously hasn't been fired for it. I wonder if she would last 10 posts here, Buwhhahahahahahaha!!!!

It's all good. AV will be who she is..... deal with it. ;)
 
loopymitch said:
^^^ so you agree with her when she makes uneccessary digs at Rick too?
No, but define "unnecessary". I don't think she took stabs at him in her article about Pop, though some may have believe she was making comparisons. She has written her pieces about Adelman too. And for the record, I have not been an Adelman supporter for a couple of years (before I ever read her stuff).

I don't agree with unnecessary roughness in her articles, but I do agree with her views.
 
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