Mike Brown Fired
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Rebuild? What? We have a decent combo in Sabonis and Fox. Get rid of the rest of them. Or just keep Sabonis and trade the rest of them.
Our "paper team" is clearly better on paper than on the court. Not to mention we are one of the only teams who don't have home advantage for some reason.
I don't even watch this team much anymore. The magic is gone. Get rid of the beam while they are at it. There is no reason for a losing crappy team to have a gimmick when they win, when they don't win much, if at all.
Our "paper team" is clearly better on paper than on the court. Not to mention we are one of the only teams who don't have home advantage for some reason.
I don't even watch this team much anymore. The magic is gone. Get rid of the beam while they are at it. There is no reason for a losing crappy team to have a gimmick when they win, when they don't win much, if at all.
We can debate whether Brown should have been fired or not all day long. But, sorry, crying Argentina over him being fired AFTER conducting practice and before boarding the plane is ridiculous! This is next level douchebaggery by Mike Malone, who admits in his tirade that he’s out of the loop and pretty isolated.
Brown was an employee of the organization and responsible for a job until told otherwise. And he’s still going to get paid for several more years. Him having to perform his duties up til his official termination is NOTHING to get worked up over or upset about.
Again, that’s just some next level, entitled douchebaggery.
Having conveyed the above, that doesn’t mean the KINGS org always operates properly. I’m not suggesting that they are blameless or w/o fault. Hell, I’ve been condemning them for cycling through head coaches so frequently and continuing the cycle of instability. But there’s never a good way to fire someone.
The freaking players get the same or even worse treatment yet seemingly nobody sheds the same amount of tears over it. For example, Harrison Barnes found out he was traded by Dallas to SAC during a game while on the bench. But some are outraged and labeling the front office and ownership as “classless” because Mike Brown had to conduct practice today (something he was paid handsomely for)?
Some people need to shake themselves.
Oh, and lastly, while Malone says he was fired by the same person — he needs to also recognize and acknowledge that he was HIRED by that same person. Given his first head coaching job. So there’s that, too, ingrate. And he could conceivably still have that first job if he didn’t do certain things to cause the owner to want to fire him. But curiously there’s no mention or accountability for that. SMH.
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Fox is possibly one of the bigger enigma's in basketball. When he's rolling and locked in, there's nobody better in basketball. He's a two-way stud that destroys you on both ends. There's no denying his ceiling as a player.
The problem is he just rarely accesses that talent on a game to game basis. He's basically always great; fringe-ish all-star-all-star caliber, but this guy has the talent to better than SGA/Luka if he played the way he should night and night out. He just doesn't though. He coasts through halves, games; and it's just obviously apparent that when he DOES turn it on and make an imprint on the game, it begs the question. Where the **** was that the 1H? Last night another example.
I remember in January of last season, dude was just flat AWFUL. Looked like he could not care any less being on the floor. Meanwhile Domas is working his ass off, night in and night out, trying to will the team to wins through sheer grit. Imagine if Fox played with the sheer hustle/passion/energy that Domas does every game; dude would be a 1st ballot HOF. I seriously can't remember a game where I felt Domas wasn't giving 100% on the floor. He might not always have an amazing game; but dude probably has like a 95% hit rate of all-star/All-nba production.
I love Fox, he's easily one of my favorite players of all-time. But now has to be the time he shows he's the top 10 guy he says he is. You want Kings fans to believe in you as the franchise guy? Go be that dude, game in and game out. Don't coast entire halves. Don't wait for someone to pee you off. Control the game from minute 1 to minute 48. This was supposed to be the breakout season and now the 2nd best coach in franchise history is out the door because of how we started the year. There's no more layers of protection on who to blame; the ball is squarely in his hands on how his Kings career plays out or ends.
The problem is he just rarely accesses that talent on a game to game basis. He's basically always great; fringe-ish all-star-all-star caliber, but this guy has the talent to better than SGA/Luka if he played the way he should night and night out. He just doesn't though. He coasts through halves, games; and it's just obviously apparent that when he DOES turn it on and make an imprint on the game, it begs the question. Where the **** was that the 1H? Last night another example.
I remember in January of last season, dude was just flat AWFUL. Looked like he could not care any less being on the floor. Meanwhile Domas is working his ass off, night in and night out, trying to will the team to wins through sheer grit. Imagine if Fox played with the sheer hustle/passion/energy that Domas does every game; dude would be a 1st ballot HOF. I seriously can't remember a game where I felt Domas wasn't giving 100% on the floor. He might not always have an amazing game; but dude probably has like a 95% hit rate of all-star/All-nba production.
I love Fox, he's easily one of my favorite players of all-time. But now has to be the time he shows he's the top 10 guy he says he is. You want Kings fans to believe in you as the franchise guy? Go be that dude, game in and game out. Don't coast entire halves. Don't wait for someone to pee you off. Control the game from minute 1 to minute 48. This was supposed to be the breakout season and now the 2nd best coach in franchise history is out the door because of how we started the year. There's no more layers of protection on who to blame; the ball is squarely in his hands on how his Kings career plays out or ends.
If it were just from one game, it would be the most Kangziest thing that has Kangzed. Truth is, there were a lot of coaching issues that were prevalent through the season. I don't think firing Brown was the right call, but I do question his decisions.
1. Starting Keon is clearly the right move. The eye test and advanced stats bear it out.
2. It was clear that not defending the 3 (or at least, defending it in the way we were seeing it) was an awful idea. Let's scrap that.
If Brown fixes these two things, he's probably still coaching in Sacramento. Monk and Huerter would be a great combo off the bench - a bench, if you will, that suffers.
None of us have any ideas what conversations happened behind closed doors, but we have tangible reasons (if not great ones) for why he is no longer with us.
It's now up to Christie - the golden child, in the eyes of some - to be the guy to make the tough decisions. Being an assistant coach and buddy to everyone is way different than being the guy who takes the blame for everything. For his sake, I hope he is ready to do the dirty work, cause cleaning this up will take a lot of bleach, but it has the potential to sparkle.
And I will go on record as believing that Christie is not the opening day coach in 2025. I think he's being given a chance to see what he can do, and have a soft landing after taking over a team "in turmoil."
1. Starting Keon is clearly the right move. The eye test and advanced stats bear it out.
2. It was clear that not defending the 3 (or at least, defending it in the way we were seeing it) was an awful idea. Let's scrap that.
If Brown fixes these two things, he's probably still coaching in Sacramento. Monk and Huerter would be a great combo off the bench - a bench, if you will, that suffers.
None of us have any ideas what conversations happened behind closed doors, but we have tangible reasons (if not great ones) for why he is no longer with us.
It's now up to Christie - the golden child, in the eyes of some - to be the guy to make the tough decisions. Being an assistant coach and buddy to everyone is way different than being the guy who takes the blame for everything. For his sake, I hope he is ready to do the dirty work, cause cleaning this up will take a lot of bleach, but it has the potential to sparkle.
And I will go on record as believing that Christie is not the opening day coach in 2025. I think he's being given a chance to see what he can do, and have a soft landing after taking over a team "in turmoil."
Well, what's done is done. Time to move on.
Let's see how much of this comes true:
1. Keon sees more playing time and becomes an important scorer.
2. Keegan finds his shot.
3. Huerter finds his shot.
4. DeRosen finds his niche, shoots better, plays more team ball.
5. Fox puts forth more consistent high effort in his game minutes.
6. Opponent's 3PT shooting percentage and frequency drops precipitously.
7. Free throw shooting improves even more.
8. Kings win 60% of the games for the remainder of the season.
9. Monk and Sabonis continue their productive ways.
10. The Kings have some post-season play.
Admittedly, some of this may happen as a "bubble" reaction to change but it still represents growth and improvement.
To quote the signature of a forum member on here, "I may be wrong, but I doubt it".
Let's see how much of this comes true:
1. Keon sees more playing time and becomes an important scorer.
2. Keegan finds his shot.
3. Huerter finds his shot.
4. DeRosen finds his niche, shoots better, plays more team ball.
5. Fox puts forth more consistent high effort in his game minutes.
6. Opponent's 3PT shooting percentage and frequency drops precipitously.
7. Free throw shooting improves even more.
8. Kings win 60% of the games for the remainder of the season.
9. Monk and Sabonis continue their productive ways.
10. The Kings have some post-season play.
Admittedly, some of this may happen as a "bubble" reaction to change but it still represents growth and improvement.
To quote the signature of a forum member on here, "I may be wrong, but I doubt it".
Well, what's done is done. Time to move on.
Let's see how much of this comes true:
1. Keon sees more playing time and becomes an important scorer.
2. Keegan finds his shot.
3. Huerter finds his shot.
4. DeRosen finds his niche, shoots better, plays more team ball.
5. Fox puts forth more consistent high effort in his game minutes.
6. Opponent's 3PT shooting percentage and frequency drops precipitously.
7. Free throw shooting improves even more.
8. Kings win 60% of the games for the remainder of the season.
9. Monk and Sabonis continue their productive ways.
10. The Kings have some post-season play.
Admittedly, some of this may happen as a "bubble" reaction to change but it still represents growth and improvement.
To quote the signature of a forum member on here, "I may be wrong, but I doubt it".
Let's see how much of this comes true:
1. Keon sees more playing time and becomes an important scorer.
2. Keegan finds his shot.
3. Huerter finds his shot.
4. DeRosen finds his niche, shoots better, plays more team ball.
5. Fox puts forth more consistent high effort in his game minutes.
6. Opponent's 3PT shooting percentage and frequency drops precipitously.
7. Free throw shooting improves even more.
8. Kings win 60% of the games for the remainder of the season.
9. Monk and Sabonis continue their productive ways.
10. The Kings have some post-season play.
Admittedly, some of this may happen as a "bubble" reaction to change but it still represents growth and improvement.
To quote the signature of a forum member on here, "I may be wrong, but I doubt it".
Ok. Thinking it over, #4 is maybe scheme dependent. The rest seems to hold true.
You’re kidding me, right? So because Vivek owned the team during both events, that makes him THE common denominator?
You know what else is a common denominator? The team being located in Sacramento. So does that mean WE are responsible too?
C’mon man, you’re smarter than that!
Besides, was Vivek running the team when all this instability and dysfunction first began back in 2006? Nope. Was he running the team when they first started swinging and missing on their draft picks in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, and 2013? Nope.
Did Vivek fire Adelman? Nope. Did he hire and fire Musselman, Theus, Natt, Westphal, and Smart? Nope.
The Magoofs went through 6 coaches in 8 seasons. Vivek has been through 7 coaches in 12 seasons.
While Vivek has made more than his fair share of mistakes over the past 11 years, there’s still no proof that he’s making these decisions over the head of GM he hired over 4 years ago.
If you can provide proof or at least some sound evidence to the contrary, please do so. Otherwise you can take the “common denominator“ nonsense and shove it. Wild speculation stemming from an anti-Vivek bias/agenda does not constitute proof.
I’m in no way a Vivek apologist. I just believe in being fair. And to this point in time, nobody has been able to bring any damning evidence to the table proving Vivek as the villain. Until proven otherwise, what basis do we have to assume that anyone other than the actual GM, Monte McNair, was responsible for the decision? The idea that Vivek has reportedly meddled in the past doesn’t automatically mean that it’s happening now.
The only concession I’ll make is that ownership has to sign off on McNair’s decision making due to the financial impacts of paying Brown while having to pay a new head coach. But that doesn’t mean that the decision to fire Brown was solely or even largely Vivek’s idea. He very well just be supporting his GM in doing the job he hired him to do.
You know what else is a common denominator? The team being located in Sacramento. So does that mean WE are responsible too?
C’mon man, you’re smarter than that!
Besides, was Vivek running the team when all this instability and dysfunction first began back in 2006? Nope. Was he running the team when they first started swinging and missing on their draft picks in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, and 2013? Nope.
Did Vivek fire Adelman? Nope. Did he hire and fire Musselman, Theus, Natt, Westphal, and Smart? Nope.
The Magoofs went through 6 coaches in 8 seasons. Vivek has been through 7 coaches in 12 seasons.
While Vivek has made more than his fair share of mistakes over the past 11 years, there’s still no proof that he’s making these decisions over the head of GM he hired over 4 years ago.
If you can provide proof or at least some sound evidence to the contrary, please do so. Otherwise you can take the “common denominator“ nonsense and shove it. Wild speculation stemming from an anti-Vivek bias/agenda does not constitute proof.
I’m in no way a Vivek apologist. I just believe in being fair. And to this point in time, nobody has been able to bring any damning evidence to the table proving Vivek as the villain. Until proven otherwise, what basis do we have to assume that anyone other than the actual GM, Monte McNair, was responsible for the decision? The idea that Vivek has reportedly meddled in the past doesn’t automatically mean that it’s happening now.
The only concession I’ll make is that ownership has to sign off on McNair’s decision making due to the financial impacts of paying Brown while having to pay a new head coach. But that doesn’t mean that the decision to fire Brown was solely or even largely Vivek’s idea. He very well just be supporting his GM in doing the job he hired him to do.
#5 has been a knock on Fox the whole time. He could be all-everything, but seems to pick and choose when he does.
Sometimes a flower can grow out of concrete. But it can't if it only does it on sunny days. If Fox is who he thinks he is, he needs to do it every day, and then we can all agree that he did what he could do, and we just didn't help him.
FTR, I think Fox is "that guy", but for some reason, the switch isn't fully on.
Sometimes a flower can grow out of concrete. But it can't if it only does it on sunny days. If Fox is who he thinks he is, he needs to do it every day, and then we can all agree that he did what he could do, and we just didn't help him.
FTR, I think Fox is "that guy", but for some reason, the switch isn't fully on.
Everybody is like "the players quit on the team stopped trying"... nobody is "Brown quitted on the team stopped trying", nobody pointed out how different and "active" he was, having similar sweat with the players 2 years ago, calling the shots during every single possession after possession after possession DURING THE GAME AND NOT IN THE PRESSER AFTERWARDS.
Kings needed something to be done to shake things around, it needed to be done earlier but for the sake of MB resurrecting the Kings they gave him a pass. 1,2,3,4,5,6 I don't know how many times only this season. They were going nowhere with him and his insecurities and obsessions.The biggest mistake was extending the contract with better salary in the offseason after a not so good previous season despite the winning record. Getting Larry Nance Jr or DFS wouldnt change anything (and no idea what it would cost us), so changing the coach could make an impact, it seemed like a season going from bad to worse, starting from preseason till now, nobody will be devastated if things don't work out the rest of the season. But what if they do?
For Mike Malone saying "Fox and Sabonis took all the praise", really? Who got coach of the year unanimously while Fox didn't make it even to the All Star Game? Not to be misunderstood I think MM is a great coach but that doesn't mean he is right about everything especially regarding non-coaching things.
So let's see now which of the rest of 29 teams will now fire their coach first and get to hire MB as the head one.
In my opinion he is the perfect fit to boost the players psychologically speaking BUT as he has proven multiple times in the past after his first season his teams tend to perform worse and worse. Can this be a coincidence? Does he stop having motivation to turn things around and just puts everything in auto pilot?
P.S Someone definitely woke up in Greece with a smile on his face, maybe now that he is gone we will hear stories from players that didn't have the best relationship with him off and on the court.
Kings needed something to be done to shake things around, it needed to be done earlier but for the sake of MB resurrecting the Kings they gave him a pass. 1,2,3,4,5,6 I don't know how many times only this season. They were going nowhere with him and his insecurities and obsessions.The biggest mistake was extending the contract with better salary in the offseason after a not so good previous season despite the winning record. Getting Larry Nance Jr or DFS wouldnt change anything (and no idea what it would cost us), so changing the coach could make an impact, it seemed like a season going from bad to worse, starting from preseason till now, nobody will be devastated if things don't work out the rest of the season. But what if they do?
For Mike Malone saying "Fox and Sabonis took all the praise", really? Who got coach of the year unanimously while Fox didn't make it even to the All Star Game? Not to be misunderstood I think MM is a great coach but that doesn't mean he is right about everything especially regarding non-coaching things.
So let's see now which of the rest of 29 teams will now fire their coach first and get to hire MB as the head one.
In my opinion he is the perfect fit to boost the players psychologically speaking BUT as he has proven multiple times in the past after his first season his teams tend to perform worse and worse. Can this be a coincidence? Does he stop having motivation to turn things around and just puts everything in auto pilot?
P.S Someone definitely woke up in Greece with a smile on his face, maybe now that he is gone we will hear stories from players that didn't have the best relationship with him off and on the court.
Derozan isn't helping but he's not even close to as bad as Fox, Huerter and Keegan when you take attempts into account.
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Rk Player Age Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P%V 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Awards
8 DeAaron Fox 27 PG 31 31 37.2 9.7 20.1 .482 2.1 6.2 .332 7.6 13.9 .549 .533 4.8 5.9 .810 1.1 3.9 5.0 6.1 1.6 0.3 3.5 2.7 26.2
9 Kevin Huerter 26 SG 27 15 25.3 3.6 8.4 .430 1.8 5.7 .312 1.9 2.7 .676 .535 0.6 0.9 .696 0.5 3.1 3.6 2.0 1.0 0.5 1.0 2.2 9.6
10 DeMar DeRozan 35 SF 26 26 35.3 7.6 15.8 .480 0.7 2.1 .309 6.9 13.7 .507 .501 4.9 5.8 .853 0.5 3.3 3.8 3.9 1.5 0.4 1.6 1.9 20.7
11 Keegan Murray 24 PF 30 30 35.7 4.7 11.1 .419 1.6 5.5 .295 3.0 5.6 .542 .493 1.1 1.3 .872 2.2 5.3 7.6 1.5 0.7 0.8 1.0 2.9 12.1
Team Totals 31 31 22.0 3.9 8.1 .476 1.1 3.2 .342 2.8 4.9 .562 .543 1.6 2.0 .801 0.9 3.0 4.0 2.3 0.7 0.4 1.2 1.8 10.4
Ok…if not 5 games in a row at home then when? 6? 10? Coaches don’t get fired in the middle of the season because they went on a winning streak. There is always going to be a loss that breaks things. Otherwise just wait until the offseason. That’s a reasonable viewpoint to have, but I don’t understand why it’s surprising that one of the worst losses in the last few years (which has had its share of unbelievable losses) would be the game to trigger firing.