Mayor Johnson feels good after NBA meeting in Sac today

[The Hammer]

Maybe some pre-season or exhibition games at Sac State could prime the pump...

That would be an INSANE turnout, I can guarantee you.

 

[Gary]

Friggin guys lol.. I was being serious.. We support team tennis ffs, so why not soccer or MLB?

 

[rainmaker]

The other thing which would make the MLS in Sac more likely is the fact it is an everexpanding league, and will grow for years. Soccer is only begining to become popular in this country, and the ratings show it. NorCal has the best youth soccer programs in the country aside from Florida, so I would think there would be potential there.

Last year Real Madrid played in SF. Manchester City is playing in Seattle this summer. Barcelona, AC Milan, and Manchester United are all coming for tours this summer. Imagine if down the road Sac hosted a friendly with one of those teams.

 

[The Hammer]

Friggin guys lol.. I was being serious.. We support team tennis ffs, so why not soccer or MLB?

I think we all were too Gary. At least about soccer.

 

[Larry David]

I remember right before it was built part of the the great thing was that it could be upgraded to a MLB park if needed. Then I remember a couple years ago hearing something vague about how that didn't happen. So it came down to laying cement in too cold of weather?? Jesus Christ. That's a $300 mil planning error isn't it?

It was a lot of rain. Because they were falling way behind, they went with a faster type of beam to hold up the boxes. It’s what changed expansion from easy to pricy. It was either not have a place for the team to play, or press on. I wish we had the option.


And it’s going to take everything these guys have to nail down one place ... so I think its Kings and Rivercats to say, but after doing some reading ... you'll be shocked how much these two need each other.

Sacramento has a huge hole in the rail yard, if they can fill that project it will help fix the perpetual problems on K Street and Downtown plaza. Half of West Sacramento is pretty nice, but the top is pretty rough. That would be the part of town that would sit on the river directly across from the rail yard. Hello, private development. West Sacramento also has a huge stretch of prime riverfront land, where they are clearing ground any laying road, the problem for them is going to be attracting developers to a slow part of town. Problem solved.

In terms of sports, the Kings and Rivercats mean year round entertainment.

In terms of concerts and show, the new arena would get most of the big shows, Raley field has hosted outdoor concerts, MLS, and they want to build a little 3,000 seat nice amphitheater for small shows. Which means, in one area, we would have a venue for every type of show that would want to come to town.

Transportation. West Sacramento wants to run old fashioned street cars into Sacramento. Right now, Sacramento doesn’t view it as a priority and frankly there isn’t much to link. Of course, this project includes a transit center … linking some of downtown, the arena and rail yards development, and Raley Field and West Sacramento water front district … that will be a pricy project that might have to follow, but it makes a ton of sense.

The Rail Road Museum and Old Sacramento have potential but flounder. Here, it would fit between two projects.

Sacramento County prevents the loss of the Kings and kicks off another downtown boom. Yolo County transitions West Sacramento from a nice little town, to a nice city that brings in a lot of tax revenue.

 

[Warhawk]

I remember right before it was built part of the the great thing was that it could be upgraded to a MLB park if needed. Then I remember a couple years ago hearing something vague about how that didn't happen. So it came down to laying cement in too cold of weather?? Jesus Christ. That's a $300 mil planning error isn't it?

Um, they intentionally place concrete (which contains cement as the binder material) in colder times of day here in the valley because summertime heat and heat of hydration of cement in concrete don't mix to well (helps lead to high thermal stresses and shrinkage cracking). As long as it is a little above freezing cement is OK. In fact, cement keeps getting stronger for years.

I don't think the temperature was a factor. I think it is facility design. Let's see.....

Yep, per Wiki:

The stadium was not designed with expansion in mind, if a major league ballclub (such as the Oakland Athletics, who are the major league affiliate of the River Cats) ever moved to Sacramento there would be significant work required.

 

[Larry David]

http://newballpark.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-to-expand-minor-league-ballpark.html

Rain, lot of rain

 

[nebs]

Um, they intentionally place concrete (which contains cement as the binder material) in colder times of day here in the valley because summertime heat and heat of hydration of cement in concrete don't mix to well (helps lead to high thermal stresses and shrinkage cracking). As long as it is a little above freezing cement is OK. In fact, cement keeps getting stronger for years.

I don't think the temperature was a factor. I think it is facility design. Let's see.....

Yep, per Wiki:

I dunno about the cold weather cement thing, at all.

I do know that it was said, reported, back when Raley was getting built that it was being set up and built for possible expansion to an MLB size if necessary.

 

[Warhawk]

http://newballpark.blogspot.com/2009/03/how-to-expand-minor-league-ballpark.html

Rain, lot of rain

Um, concrete cures underwater (in fact, that is the required way to cure concrete prior to strength testing, trust me, I've done it where I used to work that had a concrete testing lab). If you read the article you posted, the rain caused changes in construction methods and design. It isn't the concrete that is the problem, it is the facility design.

The stadium was designed specifically for its current tenant, Triple-A Baseball, and all of the comfort and intimacy that makes Triple-A Baseball so successful. That said, in the unlikely case that we would want to expand the ballpark to accommodate a larger capacity, the stadium would need significant adjustments but likely not need to be demolished and rebuilt from scratch.

Rain made the construction period longer, which incurs additional labor cost. Precipitation also caused a rethink in the construction methods. Changes were made almost on the fly, including a major structural modification:

Because of the time restraints the initial design was changed from steel H-columns to poured-in-place reinforced concrete columns, and supporting the suite level with prefabricated steel trusses.

Assuming that the concrete columns are built to handle both suites and an upper deck (I have no reason to believe otherwise), new structural work would probably have to be in place above the columns. That means the entire existing upper level, which contains the Solon Club, suites and the press box, would have to be demolished.

 

[LilMissDiva]

I got a good feeling about this.. Can anyone say Oakland A's in town within the next 10 years if this whole "riverwalk" thing takes off?

I don't know how I feel about this. I'm a 3rd Generation SF Giants fan - family has been since they were back in NY... I never got into the RC's because of this. I'd never switch.