Mark Kreidler: The thrill - and the hate - are gone

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Mark Kreidler: The thrill - and the hate - are gone



By Mark Kreidler -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Thursday, December 16, 2004


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For Kings fans, it has always been a tradition to hate the Lakers. Kobe Bryant, top, is expected to be the primary target tonight at Arco Arena, but some of his sign-honored comrades from the past, above, are no longer with the team.

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When the sports archaeologists finally blow the dust off the thing a hundred years hence, they'll find the crude paintings that show Shaq taking his lumbering frame to Miami, and Phil the Zenster hopping on his motorcycle and riding off to that collective burg of modernism, Montana.


And they will see, deciphering these hieroglyphics, the exact point at which the Lakers stopped being interesting. To say nothing of outright detestable.

Which is all you need to know about why the rivalry is dead.



The Kings play the Lakers at Arco Arena tonight in a game devoid of the kind of battery-acid bile that any of the four or five previous years' worth of matchups might have produced. There's no good way around it: It's Sacramento against a Los Angeles team that has lost its ability to be snotty good fun.

Hate, where is thy sting?

It's over, the rivalry - and there was a rivalry, even if it existed on only the one side. If the rivalry was never anything more than the Kings and their fans desperately wanting to take down the smug and condescending franchise from L.A., that still was enough to keep it going.

But that was then. And smug, of course, was Shaquille O'Neal. And condescending was Phil Jackson.

And what have you to despise now, Kobe Bryant's pitiful daytime drama of a public life? You're going to direct your inner devil at Rudy Tomjanovich, a coach who survived bladder cancer and has been the epitome of gentlemanly behavior since?

Do you even know who the Lakers' center is? It's Chris Mihm. Ever hear Chris Mihm call the Sacramento team "Queens"?

Rivalry. Over.

"Au contraire," said Jerry Reynolds, the Kings' longtime executive and broadcaster and general human reference book on stuff like this.

"They've still got 'Lakers' displayed clearly on their chests," Reynolds said, "and they're still from L.A. I can hate 'em, no problem."

Added Christine Gillespie, a moderator of the Kingsfans.com Web site: "The ego of the average Laker fan also enters into the equation. They are so smug, so righteous, so superior in their attitude towards us and our team that we want to see them grovel. ... Some things are just in the blood."

Sure, but where's the fun? The fun for years lay in the thought that the Kings, if they could somehow get out of their own way, might be able to take down the Lakers while L.A. was still in the full throes of its haughty new-millennium dominance.

The fun was in hating the big guys and the little guys alike - and remember, young readers, we speak here of harmless, do-nothin'-about-it sporting hate, not to be confused with actual hate or any scene from the Detroit-Indiana game a few weeks ago.

The fun was in hating Shaq, yes. But let me also just say this: Rick Fox.

Remember Fox back in the day? Hollywood handsome. Married to a model/singer/ spokeswoman. Once hit Doug Christie in the chops and then took a punch to the face in retaliation - but more significantly, a player who put an NBA-approved mugging on Peja Stojakovic for games on end during years of Kings-Lakers playoff tussles.

Utterly despicable in the most entertaining way possible - and he's history.

And so is Robert Horry and his knife-in-the-neck three-pointer. Heck, you can't even despise Derek Fisher, who already got what he deserved by agreeing to play for the Golden State Warriors.

Talk about not knowing what you have 'til it's gone: Those Lakers were the perfect foil. They won all the time. They yapped all the time. They fought amongst themselves but always seemed to unify, as if on cue, in time to torture Sacramento.

"It really was a great thing for basketball," said Kings owner Joe Maloof. "I think (the seven-game 2002 conference finals) was the best playoff series I've ever seen. ... You had to be there to enjoy it."

And Phil Jackson was the playful heart of it, the most fun of all. He tweaked the Kings and their fans at every opportunistic turn. He trotted out phrases like "semi-civilized" to describe the locals, vaguely insulted Rick Adelman and Adelman's players, then stepped back and smiled slyly, waiting for the verbal spit-storm that would inevitably follow.

"I remember once before a game here, Phil stepped out onto the court and saw that banner hanging up there saying the Kings were Pacific Division champions," Reynolds said. "And Phil staggered around like, 'Oh my gosh, I'm so afraid.' He was great at stirring it up like that."

And he's gone. And it's Rudy T on the other sideline tonight, and Mihm at center. The beloved Vlade Divac's sad signing with the Lakers has been a non-starter because of Divac's injuries. Bryant, though still performing at All-Star level, continues to withdraw into his bizarre inner life, slowly alienating everyone around him.

Look, Ma! Not a drop of fun here.

The Kings can beat this bunch, which doesn't qualify as breaking news.

Sacramento is 15-6 and looking rather like it always does. The Bryant-dominated Lakers are 12-9, a fairly accurate representation of their current station in the Western Conference.

They're also nothing like the Lakers team that Sacramento wanted so desperately to knock down all those years.

"It isn't the same," Maloof said, "but there's always going to be something there. We're in the same state, the same division. ... Maybe we can get another thing going." Wishful thinking - but that's rivalry for you. Even if only on the one side.
 
My Hate Isn't Gone ....

I'll admit ... alot of my hatred for the Lakers were THEIR FANS !!! Just because Phillip, Shreq, Horry and Fisher aren't there doesn't matter ...

I no longer frequent another Kings Fan Message Board (for technical/operating system reasons) ... but, there are still many Laker fans there being as arrogant and obnoxious as they can be (they need help and a life).

I'll also admit ... there are Classy Laker Fans and we can go back-n-forth and still enjoy each others company.
 
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"the rivalry is dead."

I disagree.


"It really was a great thing for basketball," said Kings owner Joe Maloof. "I think (the seven-game 2002 conference finals) was the best playoff series I've ever seen. ... You had to be there to enjoy it." -

I disagree, unless Joe is talking the moment.
 
Kreidler

piksi said:
M. K. is speaking for himself on this one.
I saw this guy at my local sports bar one night for Kings vs. Wolves last year. He wasn't even paying attention to the game! He had his back to the big screen blathering on about the new Governator and eating french fries. I noticed Voison aka "Poison" starting to come around last year... Maybe I've found a new columnist to hate. Hmmm... I'll hate the Lakers until I die!!(and maybe after!) I hope we wipe the floor with them tonight.
 
its funny how all the media people are saying the rivalry is dead...why are they saying that when you talk to any kings OR lakers fan and they will say differently...now GIVEN its not the same...but its still a rivalry nonetheless

though it wasn't accurate...still an entertaining article to read..IMO

i totally forgot about Vlade returning...aww
 
I have a different interpretation of the article. I think he's saying - and quite rightly - that the logical reasons for us to hate the Lakers are pretty much gone. Phil, Shaq, Fox, etc. have all left the purple and gold behind... Now, it's Kobe and Vlade and a bunch of decent enough guys. So, in that respect, it isn't the same as it was back in the not-too-distant day.

BUT my comments and the comments of Jerry Reynolds are used to illustrate that, even without logic or basis in fact, there is STILL a Kings-Lakers thing going on, if only in the hearts of some fans and a guy who's been with the organization since it came to Sacramento.

Mark doesn't see it as the same kind of thing, I guess.

"It isn't the same," Maloof said, "but there's always going to be something there. We're in the same state, the same division. ... Maybe we can get another thing going." Wishful thinking - but that's rivalry for you. Even if only on the one side.

Yep, there's still something there even if the media doesn't recognize it. Perhaps they're trying too hard to define something that defies definition. It's like the Hatfields and the McCoys to me. It doesn't matter which Hatfield family member (old or new) is involved. If I'm a McCoy, there's a genetic hatred - it's like that for me with the Lakers and it always will be...
 
iheartBrad said:
its funny how all the media people are saying the rivalry is dead...why are they saying that when you talk to any kings OR lakers fan and they will say differently...now GIVEN its not the same...but its still a rivalry nonetheless

though it wasn't accurate...still an entertaining article to read..IMO

i totally forgot about Vlade returning...aww
For the record? A lot of Kings fans (see my thread asking about how people feel about the Lakers) ARE convinced the rivalry is dead.

Quite frankly, I don't care if they think it's dead. I'm going to be screaming BEAT LA at my TV set tonight!
 
^ive never came across a kings fan that thinks its dead....and everyone hear seems not to think its dead....::shrugs::....interesting

but yeah im with you on that last part
 
Did you look at the other thread?

http://forums.kingsfans.com/showthread.php?t=1638

eflat, thedofd, RayZ, Andriod King, AriesMar27, etc. pretty much said they didn't think the Lakers-Kings rivalry was much to talk about any more...

We had another thread a while back that pretty much expressed the same feelings. A LOT of us still hate the Lakers, but there are a growing number who just don't think it's worth the effort to hate them.

:D
 
I don't hate Lakers for any specific reason… I just love to hate 'em! They can make all the bad business decisions and bad runs they want, but it won’t change my love for the hate. It’s just too much fun to ever give up.

Let's light a candle tonight and feel the hate together. That's what I call quality time. :)
 
iheartBrad said:
WHO are these people...and what are they thinking??
Good question! I'll still hate the Lakers, and get great satisfaction from beating them, even if they drop to be the worst team in the league! But that's probably just because I'm permanently scared from game 7, and that whole playoffs series. And, I don't like Kobe, don't like the organization, and don't like the fans. Watching Jack Nicholson be smug is almost as bad as it was watching Phil Jackson!
 
rhuber said:
Heck, I've got a bon-fire going already. Can't you feel it in the air tonight? :D

Uh, NO, it is pretty cold here. ;)

If I try and light my candle from your bon-fire, might it melt the whole thing? :D
 
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