Mark Kreidler: The sum of all fears

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By Mark Kreidler -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Sunday, May 29, 2005

There's something interesting and potentially franchise-shaping occurring just below the surface in Kingsland, and, in other news, I can't prove it.

I cannot prove it factually, that is - or at least as close as the Kings allow any business facts to emerge. On the surface, after all, the perennial ticket push looks healthy: The club has sold out 288 straight games at Arco Arena, and the team says the renewal rate for season tickets has hovered in the 90-plus percent range for five years.

That's an impressive performance for any pro franchise (or for any fan base, depending upon one's perspective). It is also impossible to verify, seeing as how the Kings steadfastly - and oh so cheerfully - refused last week to provide even one actual sales figure to back up their claims on the renewal rates and wouldn't allow their ticket-services director to be interviewed.

But there is another story working now, the one just below the surface. It has to do with fans on the verge of bailing out. It has to do with fans who find themselves, finally, after all these years, right at the point of being priced out of their own seats.

It has to do with fans - die-hards, loyalists - who suddenly, in the words of 20-year ticket-holder Jerry Balshor, "realize that this is causing us for the first time to be businessmen about the Kings. It's causing us to say, 'Is this really the right use of that much money?' "

It won't be the death of the franchise, no.

But it might just be the end of the romance.

You wonder why the Kings' owners would go off in pursuit of a name brand like Phil Jackson? Maybe they sense the conflicted nature of their ticket base. By the start of next season (if there is one), the average price of a ticket to a Kings home game will have risen 41 percent since 2001 - and that's the overall average. As you get closer to the floor, away from the cheapie nosebleed seats, that percentage rises dramatically.

Over many of those years, the ticket buyers enjoyed high-quality, high-profile, playoff-intensive basketball. But everything that rises must converge. Here, today, the Kings are a mid-pack, first-round exit of a reloading team with no superstar and no galvanizing force.

Is that worth $12,000 a year to see? That's what two seats in Balshor's part of Section 120 go for - $140 per seat, per game, plus parking, and heaven forbid you should want anything to eat or drink. Sit down, shut up and clap.

"Who they're forcing out is the average Joe Basketball guy," said Balshor, who is still hot from having his four season seats moved - without prior notice, he says - from the aisle to the middle of a row on Opening Night a few seasons ago. "A lot of us are debating whether to go on with our tickets, because they cost so much."

Balshor used to attend 35 to 40 games a season; now he sees maybe five games, splitting the rest of his tickets among eight or nine other buyers. His experience closely tracks that of so many others I've heard from over the past several months, folks who have seen lower-level tickets go from $40 or $50 per game when they first jumped in to $115 or $140 or $165 next season.

Arco sounds a little quieter to you these days? Listen, it isn't just because Chris Webber left the building. The residual effect of seasons of die-hards slowly selling off their increasingly pricey tickets to make the payments is a less-connected fan base - better than most fan bases, unquestionably, but less connected all the same.

And this is no idle carping; this is the lifeblood of the franchise. The Kings operate in a modest TV market with modest corporate money traipsing through their luxury suites. The Maloofs, by necessity, have built the modern success of the team on the backs of the ticket buyers and through their own deep pockets.

Now their business model calls for a new arena, with nicer everything, more luxury suites and, quite obviously, higher ticket prices. It's ironic that this is occurring at precisely the time that so many of their longtime supporters, financial and spiritual, are pondering backing away - one seat at a time.

High ticket prices at pro sporting events, of course, do not qualify as breaking news. What's interesting here is the Anecdotal Effect, for lack of a better term. The Kings have been jacking prices for years, but I've heard more broad complaints - and more sad laments - from the fans over the past six months than I heard in six years before then.

It includes the top spenders, too. It includes the people sitting courtside, the seats whose prices you never hear advertised because they go to such a select group. But what a blood-giving sort of group it is; certain courtside seats under the northern basket have risen from about $500 five years ago to $965 - or, for those like me who can't conceive of such things, roughly a $40,000 annual price hike, a 93 percent increase, for two season passes.

Some of those ticket holders, despite their relative financial health, are now asking what they get for their money. It's the kind of question that took years to be reflexively asked around Arco Arena. And that is a new and complicated dynamic for an ownership group that, amid its myriad other concerns about the franchise, has never had to count a balky fan base among them. Joe Maloof once told me he knew there was a ceiling on ticket prices in a market like Sacramento; he just didn't know what it was. I have a feeling, listening to the voices out there, that he's about to find out.

About the writer:Reach Mark Kreidler at (916) 321-1149 or mkreidler@sacbee.com.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/12974800p-13821801c.html
 
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Sum of all Fears?????

The Sum of all Fears for me is trading bibby/peja/miller for Latrell Sprewell.

I can get what he is saying but I can see why the ticket prices has gone up (we have become a much better team) and he is making it sound like this is the end of the fan base.
 
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Look around, Armory, we AREN'T a much better team now. I think he hit the nail on the head. The sum of MY fears is exactly what is happening now. The rise in prices has exceeded the product on the floor.
 
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Nice article. I agree with Balshor when he says "Who they're forcing out is the average Joe Basketball guy" beacuse I dont have the money to get good seats at Arco but all I want to do is see my team play. I think now is the time ticket prices MUST go down. Our franchise isnt what it was in 2002 or 2003 skill wise and therefor the attraction isnt there so prices need to go back down where the Maloofs are still making plenty of profit but arent making the fans sell their cars to see a game.
 
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Ticket prices sure as hell won't go down when a new arena opens here. We here in sac just have to face that we are still a small town, especially when it comes to economics. The average person just can't afford to dish out $50.00 per ticket for multiple seats in the upper deck. It will reach that point, especially with a new arena on the horizon. Without the average rabid kings fan in attendance arco becomes just another corporate library. Something to look forward to.
 
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Um, ticket prices aren't going down in the OLD Arena. This has zero to do with a new Arena. This is about the here and now.

We may be a small market, etc. but do you realize our ticket prices are amongst the most expensive in the league now?
 
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sanchosforhire

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There are issues with how high the tickets are right NOW. I am wondering what is going to happen when (and if) a new arena is built how sac fans are gonna handle ticket prices that are a lot higher than they are now? Even if the team is outstanding on the court how is anyone gonna be able to afford a ticket to see them? That is a legit question for a small market like us.
 
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I dont think ticket prices will go up when/if a new arena is built. There will be plenty more seats and with a team that isnt producing wins and playoff appearences like the past couple of years Im sure there will be plenty of open seats for regular season games and therefore prices may be dropped to bring more fans into every seat.
 
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Ticket prices are too high, period. This applies to every team in almost every professional league. I do not think this means the sky is falling. We had A bad season. This does not mean we have been sentenced to years of bad times. Our overall fan reaction, not matter how discouraging it seems right now, will be strong again next season. This reaction is to be expected after the UNUSUAL season we had. We are not in danger of becoming the "Basketball Siberia" that we were described as years ago.

I do think that something needs to be done about ticket prices, but I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS "THE SUM OF ALL FEARS" for us. I can think of much worse that could invoke stronger fears for me about our team.
 
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"Now their business model calls for a new arena, with nicer everything, more luxury suites and, quite obviously, HIGHER TICKET PRICES. Its ironic that this is occuring at precisely the time that so many of their (kings) longtime supporters, financial and spiritual, are pondering backing away - one seat at time."
M. Kreidler

All im saying is this arena has to be looked at from all angles. Who does a new arena benefit here? How will it effect people who are barely hanging on to their season tickets? HOW HIGH WILL TICKET PRICES GO?
 
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sanchosforhire said:
"Now their business model calls for a new arena, with nicer everything, more luxury suites and, quite obviously, HIGHER TICKET PRICES. Its ironic that this is occuring at precisely the time that so many of their (kings) longtime supporters, financial and spiritual, are pondering backing away - one seat at time."
M. Kreidler

All im saying is this arena has to be looked at from all angles. Who does a new arena benefit here? How will it effect people who are barely hanging on to their season tickets? HOW HIGH WILL TICKET PRICES GO?
You do have a point, they may keep rising new arena or not and the ONLY person benefiting from a new arena is Joe and Gavin Maloof. Sure we dont have as nice of locker rooms as the majority of the other teams and that could help or couldnt help our players feel more comfortable but It doesnt help the fans unless ticket prices are lowered and more seats are made available. We dont need a new arena to build more luxury boxes, we need a new arena to make more seats for the people who arent rolling in money (me) and would like to see their favorite basketball team go out and compete for a win every night. If ticket prices arent bad enough... a lot of Kings Fans dont even get to watch a game on their tv deal unless they live in Sac town. Ive been waiting for an article like this and hopefully (but doubtful) the Maloofs will lower ticket prices untill the fan base grows to 2002 size.
 
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sanchosforhire

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This team is average at best and housed in a 16 year old arena and we have some very high ticket prices. So logic tells you that they will not go down with a new arena and a better performing team. Thats all im saying.
 
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Does anyone know where you can find a comparison chart online with different teams ticket prices? I think it would be interesting to see how we rank among all the teams in attendance/game and average price/ticket.
 
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This is the most thoughtful Kings-related article that I have read in quiite a while. I see no flaws in Mark Kreidler's logic or argument. The mentality of some season-ticket holders apparently mirrors the attitude that has developed amongst many hardcore Kings fans around here.

The never-ending "money" issues, player-trades, elevated ticket and food prices, depressing arena gossip, and now open discourse of Phil Jackson coming to Sacramento have sucked the life and seemingly inexhaustable enthusiam ouit of a lot of long-standing Kings fans.

Perhaps the Maloofs and the Kings franchise business model are indeed no longer compatible with basic Sacramento culture and economics.

Las Vegas here we go. The culture, lifestyle, and economics of Vegas may be a better fit for the Maloof Kings. I don't think the Vegas environment would require, or even foster, a sports environment that we have come to appreciate in Sacramento.

Las Vegas is flashy, monied, and plastic. Vegas is a city where a basketball franchise would have little or no difficulty filling luxury boxes with high-roller celebrities who care little about basketball and everything about publicity and glitz. Phil Jackson would fit nicely in Vegas.

I have an ever-sinking feeling that I am about to become much more involved in River Cats AAA baseball and international soccer. Let's see, .......... what's the name of that famous English forward that turned-coat with Real Madrid?

 
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Thanks for both of those links and after looking at the stats it is crazy how much LA charges. $12/ticket and $2/beer than us and they charge for programs. The thing I find funny is that a non-playoff team could see a single fan in the building with these prices. At least we made the playoffs but then again we dont have a superstar Kobe and we arent located in LA or NY but still... cmon LA... thats just rediculous.

I think if we got a significantly bigger arena we could lower the average by $10 or more and see the building full every night and still have the Maloofs making plenty of money. Its just greed... thats all...
 
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The Warriors are going to be a great basketball bargain next year. People just don't understand that they're going to be competitive next year which means cheap tix. I plan on catching a few games at Arco West next season, not all of them including the Kings.

The Kings are still #1 for me but I also enjoy a good live NBA game.
 
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Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
Thanks for both of those links and after looking at the stats it is crazy how much LA charges. $12/ticket and $2/beer than us and they charge for programs. The thing I find funny is that a non-playoff team could see a single fan in the building with these prices. At least we made the playoffs but then again we dont have a superstar Kobe and we arent located in LA or NY but still... cmon LA... thats just rediculous.

I think if we got a significantly bigger arena we could lower the average by $10 or more and see the building full every night and still have the Maloofs making plenty of money. Its just greed... thats all...

The cost of everything down south is more. I don't drink beer so I don't care about that...the cost of having one of the newest and IMO one of the nicest arenas is going to cost you more in your ticket price. Rememer, this was for (2003-2004)the year of the "4 HOFers"...I'm sure the prices will slow down (not go down) with the team that's there at the moment.

The ticket prices at ARCO will NOT go down..especially with a new arena!!
 

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Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
I think if we got a significantly bigger arena we could lower the average by $10 or more and see the building full every night and still have the Maloofs making plenty of money. Its just greed... thats all...
Did you read the other article? It's not about greed. Unless, of course, you're talking about greedy players who demand $90+ million to play a game.

Instead of making a blanket statement, people need to really look at everything involved. It's not a simple problem and it won't bew solved with a simple solution.
 

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sanchosforhire said:
"Now their business model calls for a new arena, with nicer everything, more luxury suites and, quite obviously, HIGHER TICKET PRICES. Its ironic that this is occuring at precisely the time that so many of their (kings) longtime supporters, financial and spiritual, are pondering backing away - one seat at time."
M. Kreidler

All im saying is this arena has to be looked at from all angles. Who does a new arena benefit here? How will it effect people who are barely hanging on to their season tickets? HOW HIGH WILL TICKET PRICES GO?
You're basically mixing apples and pomegranates. For one thing, there is still a waitiing list of nearly 3,000 for season tickets so to presume those people will all refuse to pay more isn't something you can back up with facts ... at least yet.

As far as ticket prices rising with a new arena go in general, if the Maloofs are able to make more money off luxury suites, it would be logical to assume they might make every attempt to keep the other tickets as reasonable as possible. They aren't stupid.

Joe Maloof once told me he knew there was a ceiling on ticket prices in a market like Sacramento; he just didn't know what it was. I have a feeling, listening to the voices out there, that he's about to find out.
As Kreidler has said, the Maloofs are aware there is a ceiling on ticket prices JUST like any businessman knows there is a price beyond which their merchandise sales will decline appreciably.

Bottom line? If the decision isn't made to commit to a new arena project shortly, no one will have to worry about ticket prices at all.
 
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VF21 said:
Did you read the other article? It's not about greed. Unless, of course, you're talking about greedy players who demand $90+ million to play a game.

Instead of making a blanket statement, people need to really look at everything involved. It's not a simple problem and it won't bew solved with a simple solution.
I am not only talking about the greedy players but I believe the Maloofs are out to make as much as they can, that is part of the reason they, and any other owner owns a franchise. Now I am NOT saying they would give up anything for their franchise and the fans, etc but Ive heared it so many times. "Its a business" and this is their job. How high can the prices go and still sell out this arena night in and night out.

By no means am I saying this is some easy fix and my solution of by getting more seats in a new arena prices can just drop. This is not true and I understand that. If this problem were so easily fixable it would have been done by now. I know we can all wish for an easy fix but that isnt always the case. I still believe however that the Maloofs can afford to lower prices enough after a new arena is built.
 
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Kingsgurl said:
Look around, Armory, we AREN'T a much better team now. I think he hit the nail on the head. The sum of MY fears is exactly what is happening now. The rise in prices has exceeded the product on the floor.
Basketball is a fun game but I don't care who's out on the floor. Ticket prices in the NBA are rediculous PERIOD!!!
 

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Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
I still believe however that the Maloofs can afford to lower prices enough after a new arena is built.
And that is something we'll never know unless...
 

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If you've read all the articles about the discussions with the Maloofs recently, including the interview Bryan May went to Vegas to get, I think you have to realize the Maloofs are NOT going to build an arena themselves. It's not practical nor desirable for a variety of reasons, but primarily because they simply couldn't afford to finance the entire cost of an arena and still pay salaries for a competitive team. If it ever came down to that being the only remaining option, the Kings would no longer be in Sacramento.
 

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I think a major problem for the franchise is a) the lack of corporate base in Sacto; and b) the crappy old arena with no luxury boxes etc. Because of those factors it forced the Kings to try to get their money out of the average fans rather than being able to count on large chunks from corporations to help keep ticket prices down.

The method of funding a new arena becomes significant again here -- if the Maloofs had to build it with their own money, ticket prices go even higher to pay for it and that could be a real disaster (of course I think the Maloofs will move before that actually happens, so maybe not so much of a concern). On the other hand, if it manages to be built by a combo of private/public money with a smaller investment by the Maloofs, a new arena could actually HELP keep ticket prices down. More seats and more luxury boxes = the Maloofs can earn the same amount of money a game by selling more tickets rather than having to keep on shooting up prices for the smaller number of fans int he current Arco.
 
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Just remember, Elvis used to be the "King" in Las Vegas, and Frank Sinatra was the "Chairman of the Board". Will Phil Jackson become "Mr. Las Vegas"?

This is going to be really wierd.
 
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Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
You do have a point, they may keep rising new arena or not and the ONLY person benefiting from a new arena is Joe and Gavin Maloof. Sure we dont have as nice of locker rooms as the majority of the other teams and that could help or couldnt help our players feel more comfortable but It doesnt help the fans unless ticket prices are lowered and more seats are made available. We dont need a new arena to build more luxury boxes, we need a new arena to make more seats for the people who arent rolling in money (me) and would like to see their favorite basketball team go out and compete for a win every night. If ticket prices arent bad enough... a lot of Kings Fans dont even get to watch a game on their tv deal unless they live in Sac town. Ive been waiting for an article like this and hopefully (but doubtful) the Maloofs will lower ticket prices untill the fan base grows to 2002 size.
Good points here. The Maloof's aren't going to be lowering prices, since the dice has already been rolled and people are actually paying the exorbient prices for good seats. If anything, keeping the ticket prices at par with last year would be their best move, if nothing else for the sake of keeping their business integrity in tact since the product has not gotten better but actually has digressed. I remember when they were donating tix to high schools for kids with good attendance records in the late 90's.

While $50 doesn't seem like a lot for the nosebleed seats, since it's the experience of being at a game most people here crave-we CAN watch the games on T.V.-over $900 for a front row seat is ludicrous, geez that's the price of a good working car for a student. Don't they know that? The $89 tickets aren't bad, but all things being equal 40% increase is too much. However, there are still people out there willing to shell it out and until that isn't true, well...we (most of us) have little chance of getting to more than a couple games a year, sad.

I also agree with Quick Dog about the glitz of the whole money-making thing, but I honestly think the Maloof's are not that cheesy. Taking a sold-out-every-game team to another city for ANY reason just doesn't sound like good business, and I doubt they got where they are making bad business decisions.
 
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Whether the Maloofs pull up stakes or not, but they will indeed test the Sacramento market to determine the ticket-price ceiling. They may have already made that assessment.

Furthermore, I don't believe that there is still a waiting list of 3,000 fans competing for season-tickets. It would be interesting to see how many of that heralded 3,000 prospective buyers will actually mail-in the big check.

It might be like an eBay auction. As they used to say about street fights, " a little blood (money) lets out a lot of heat."