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You made some really good points. We don't really know what exactly Vlade jobs entails from what we've learn thus far.
Thats some pretty low standards, but, I don't blame you. We've sucked for so long it's hard not to demand more.
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You made some really good points. We don't really know what exactly Vlade jobs entails from what we've learn thus far.
Thats some pretty low standards, but, I don't blame you. We've sucked for so long it's hard not to demand more.
allrightythen
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the weasel distinction. I don't think he's been a good GM and he's been a terrible spokesman, but he was incredibly accessible to fans and really tried to engage them which I respect. Unfortunately he wasn't good enough at the other aspects of his job for that to actually work in his favor. As a general rule I don't call people weasels.
Hadlowe
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Here are the failures during his tenure:
- Not getting anything for Jimmer.
- Not getting anything for IT (a pretty big one.)
- Signing Landry.
- Drafting McLemore then Stauskas.
- Getting Malone fired.
Neutral moves:
- Turning Tyreke into Vasquez and space to absorb a big contract (key to bring in Rudy, but not a great individual return for Tyreke.
- Turning M'bah a Moute into Williams. Defense for offense, but M'bah wasn't doing anything for us anyway.
- Signing Sessions. Bad play turned him into a trade chip for Andre Miller who has been mostly a positive factor.
- Signing Moreland. Low risk, but this could move into the Win category next year.
- Giving Jason Terry to Houston. Borderline bad, but Jason Terry didn't want to play in Sacramento anyway so I can't be too upset about it.
Wins:
- Signing Casspi.
- Turning spare parts into Rudy Gay. This alone offsets most of the bad stuff.
- Getting Rudy to commit long-term on a reasonable contract.
- Turning a useless MT into Reggie who has been up and down, but not useless.
- Locking up Cousins long-term. May be a no-brainer, but at least one report said that Malone was against the move.
- Hiring George Karl. Better late than never.
- Draft McCallum. Not an IT level second-round steal, but a serviceable backup taken with a second round pick is still a win.
I don't think PDA has been a great GM, but I don't think he has been David Kahn level bad, either. I think Funkykingston made an excellent point upthread that PDA did most of his damage by not keeping his yap shut, and may have been better served to run a tight ship and let the media and fans speculate freely.
Bottom line is that I won't be upset if he is still here next year, I also wouldn't hate to see him go. I'm glad Cousins, Rudy and Karl are going to be around for a little while, and that might not have happened with another GM.
rainmaker
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The weasel tag doesn't come from him being accessible to fans and trying to engage them. That's a different topic altogether. I don't think anyone disputes he's been accessible to fans, especially after the KHTK interview and rides on buses to games.
The weasel tag comes from his backstabbing nature and looking out for his own ass and career above what's best for the team. Malone made him look bad by having success with a style which was opposite his very public stance on pace/style, so he fired him. It wasn't about winning for PDA and what's best for Cuz and the team, it was about protecting his very public blueprint for success(pace/tempo) and by extent, his job. When you give a blueprint for success and someone below you ignores it and has even more success doing it a different way, you suddenly become expendable. So, you've got to protect yourself by going behind coach's back and campaigning for him to get fired to Vivek while throwing the season into the toilet.
Hence, a weasel.
If your assumptions were correct he might qualify as a weasel to some. However, I don't know that your assumptions are correct AND he wouldn't be a weasel to me. Jury is out for me. But, regardless, it maybe too late for PDA anyway. Meanwhile he has talents that Divak and the Kings need.
Big Cuz 15
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Here are the failures during his tenure:
(what do you mean space to absorb a big contract? couldn't they have accomplished that without taking on the stupid contracts of mbah moute/landry? it makes him look like a newb since this guy is supposedly a cap guru)
Neutral moves:
Wins:
I don't think PDA has been a great GM, but I don't think he has been David Kahn level bad, either. I think Funkykingston made an excellent point upthread that PDA did most of his damage by not keeping his yap shut, and may have been better served to run a tight ship and let the media and fans speculate freely.
Bottom line is that I won't be upset if he is still here next year, I also wouldn't hate to see him go. I'm glad Cousins, Rudy and Karl are going to be around for a little while, and that might not have happened with another GM.
this guy is a snake and cannot be trusted. we were constantly in the news bc of leaks. was it him that was leaking info? or someone around the office. he should have squashed the leaks and the person leaking if it was him.
- Not getting anything for Jimmer.
- Not getting anything for IT (a pretty big one.) i can't believe he didn't see the writing on the wall. he should've dumped him asap and get something, anything for him. OKC would never let this happen. they'd be proactive and get some assets. we're just a few steps ahead where we know we'll land a trade exception.
- Signing Landry.
- Drafting McLemore then Stauskas.
- Getting Malone fired. (i'd say this is his win, since he was able to convince his boss that winning was not important)
(what do you mean space to absorb a big contract? couldn't they have accomplished that without taking on the stupid contracts of mbah moute/landry? it makes him look like a newb since this guy is supposedly a cap guru)
Neutral moves:
- Turning M'bah a Moute into Williams. Defense for offense, but M'bah wasn't doing anything for us anyway.
- Signing Sessions. Bad play turned him into a trade chip for Andre Miller who has been mostly a positive factor.
- Giving Jason Terry to Houston. Borderline bad, but Jason Terry didn't want to play in Sacramento anyway so I can't be too upset about it.
Wins:
- Signing Casspi.
- Signing Moreland. (this belongs in wins bc its a great low risk, high upside move... in the arena of hassan whiteside for miami. we just completely suck ass in player development)
- Turning spare parts into Rudy Gay. This alone offsets most of the bad stuff. (this was a no brainer and he had a relationship with uriji..can't say he really did a great job since they wanted him gone bad)
- Getting Rudy to commit long-term on a reasonable contract. (really? rudy said malone was one of the big reasons not bc of the weasel)
- Turning a useless MT into Reggie who has been up and down, but not useless.
- Locking up Cousins long-term. May be a no-brainer, but at least one report said that Malone was against the move. (what else are you going to do with a talent like cousins? move him for a few late 1st rounders, 10 yrs of 2nd rounders and trade exceptions? you gotta be f'ng kidding me. he is a RESTRICTED FREE AGENT. theres no skill involved in retaining him. put me as GM and i guarantee you he ain't leaving as a restricted free agent. SMH)
- Hiring George Karl. Better late than never. (from the reporting this was a vivek move)
- Draft McCallum. Not an IT level second-round steal, but a serviceable backup taken with a second round pick is still a win. (i'd say this is a neutral move)
I don't think PDA has been a great GM, but I don't think he has been David Kahn level bad, either. I think Funkykingston made an excellent point upthread that PDA did most of his damage by not keeping his yap shut, and may have been better served to run a tight ship and let the media and fans speculate freely.
Bottom line is that I won't be upset if he is still here next year, I also wouldn't hate to see him go. I'm glad Cousins, Rudy and Karl are going to be around for a little while, and that might not have happened with another GM.
this guy is a snake and cannot be trusted. we were constantly in the news bc of leaks. was it him that was leaking info? or someone around the office. he should have squashed the leaks and the person leaking if it was him.
allrightythen
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Is it really going behind the coaches back when the GM talks to the owner about a coaching change? That would seem like the normal order of things to me. I think PDA was convinced the team would be just as good or better after he fired Malone. Of course he was wrong and had to scramble afterwards but I don't believe he was simply acting out of self preservation.
Padrino
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i'm really not a fan of the way vivek ranadive conducts his business as an nba owner. twice now he has hired a strong-willed head coach before hiring a lead front office decision-maker, and twice now he's selected rookies to run his FO. pete d'alessandro was an unproven commodity upon his hiring, as is vlade divac in this particular role...
now, i absolutely love vlade, and i hope to heaven that he succeeds, but what this kings team desperately needs is stability. if the newly-configured front office is unable to successfully build around demarcus cousins, then we'll likely be left to ponder the future of the post-cousins kings, and we'll likely have yet another re-shuffling of the front office and/or coaching staff to look forward to, as well as yet another half-decade or more of hanging our hats on lottery luck...
vlade certainly brings some helpful skills to the table. he's a basketball-lifer, he's extremely well-regarded in nba circles, and he's a global ambassador of the game who should have no trouble building consensus within a front office that has only been dysfunctional to this point. but can he build a winner, even with the imminent hiring of "another front-line basketball executive to work alongside divac"?
the cynic in me just worries that the divac hire represents a bone thrown to kings fans, or even a direct challenge from ranadive, something to the effect of "you didn't like my guy so here's one of yours." i don't want to see vlade fail in what should be a tremendous opportunity simply because vivek doesn't know what he's doing...
now, i absolutely love vlade, and i hope to heaven that he succeeds, but what this kings team desperately needs is stability. if the newly-configured front office is unable to successfully build around demarcus cousins, then we'll likely be left to ponder the future of the post-cousins kings, and we'll likely have yet another re-shuffling of the front office and/or coaching staff to look forward to, as well as yet another half-decade or more of hanging our hats on lottery luck...
vlade certainly brings some helpful skills to the table. he's a basketball-lifer, he's extremely well-regarded in nba circles, and he's a global ambassador of the game who should have no trouble building consensus within a front office that has only been dysfunctional to this point. but can he build a winner, even with the imminent hiring of "another front-line basketball executive to work alongside divac"?
the cynic in me just worries that the divac hire represents a bone thrown to kings fans, or even a direct challenge from ranadive, something to the effect of "you didn't like my guy so here's one of yours." i don't want to see vlade fail in what should be a tremendous opportunity simply because vivek doesn't know what he's doing...
ForlornKing
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rainmaker
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Circumstance matters. If we sucked and the team was doing terribly, then a GM has every right to campaign for the coach to be replaced. When we're off to our best start in almost a decade, it's entirely different. I doubt you could dig up an article from anywhere, local or national following the Malone firing suggesting "well that made sense, good move".
Then you have to ask why would a GM want a coach fired who's in the middle of such a successful run. At that point it's not about winning, it's more about protecting yourself from a perceived threat and Malone was a threat to PDA. And no matter how hard you look there was nothing suggesting Ty Corbin would be a better coach for this team, especially midseason. That just adds to the evidence about this being personal and protecting one's own backside. A weasel move.
randymoss1881
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Not really for me he could have kept tyreke cause Gay was gonna get traded for anything. But not drafting Payton will go down as a distrious move even if we trade for Lawson. Kid is a monster and was sitting in our lap.
allrightythen
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I agree that coach Malone shouldn't have been fired, I don't think that means talking to the owner about firing him is going behind his back. I meant that it made sense to Pete, not the fan base or the basketball world. With a few exceptions I think pretty much everyone was scratching their heads at that firing. I think Pete honestly believed that Ty Corbin would at least maintain coach Malone's level of success and that's part of what made him a poor GM.
Larry David
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This franchise and KHTK have been shilling hope with no/poor results for a decade. It's always the move we might make or what might happen in a few years ... and then we just keep crapping the bed. It's time to put up or shut up. Particularity, with our franchise player entering his walk year 2 years from right now.
It sucks that Vlade enters the fold with that type of atmosphere as a rookie ... but that's the job he knowingly decided to take.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
He was a backstabbing political animal skulking about in the shadows. I wouldn't trust a word that came out of his mouth, and if he was in my office I would step on him like a 6 legged pest rather than a 4 legged one. Accessible to fans means little if you are just selling yourself. When he started backroom maneuvering and assassinations, he was done, and I wouldn't care if he traded for LeBron tommorow and came to lunch with the lot of you. He crossed a flat line.
Big Cuz 15
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you can thank the owner for that move. stauskas? stauskas!? go around the room, you all better agree with me.
allrightythen
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King Baller
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So who is Vlade going to bring in? Geoff Petrie has been mentioned. Would he do it? Is Abdur Rahim coming back? Or will it be someone who has not been previously associated with the Kings? Will it be someone Vlade has worked with or been around in the past? Will he reach into his past Charlotte or Lakers days?
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Kingster
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C. Dave has reported that Vlade is talking a lot to Popovitch. He also reported that new position could be *higher* in the hierarchy than Vlade, or co-equal with Vlade (not below).
twslam07
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There's another position available? Could you go into some more detail about that or post a link? I haven't heard anything about this yet.
It's nothing concrete. It's just being said that the Kings may bring in someone to assist Vlade in his duties. There aren't a lot of details and the whole organizational chart is still kind of mysterious.
People need to let go of Petrie, Adelman, SAR, etc. Those who have departed since the new regime are not going to be coming back.
Kevin Johnson will, more than likely, seek higher elected office. He's a rising star in political circles.
Kingster
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It was reported in the Stein article (See my post above). Also, C. Dave reiterated that they are looking into hiring another individual, who, like I said, will either be higher than Vlade, or equal.
The Hammer
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SacramentoKings
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I cant wait to see how long until the fans turn on Vlade.
Vlade is supposed to run things when he has zero experience in any NBA front office?
Dear lord Vivek is clueless.
It will take years of Vlade stumbling for him to get the hang of being a GM. By that time, Cousins will be on a contender.
Vlade is supposed to run things when he has zero experience in any NBA front office?
Dear lord Vivek is clueless.
It will take years of Vlade stumbling for him to get the hang of being a GM. By that time, Cousins will be on a contender.
King Baller
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Here is an article that quotes the Stein article
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....erged-as-kings-top-basketball-decision-maker/
An excerpt:
"The future of D’Alessandro in Sacramento, especially after the departure of his closest ally in the organization in Mullin, is unclear. Sources say, however, that the Kings have already launched a search to add another front-line basketball executive to work alongside Divac whether D’Alessandro stays or departs."
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....erged-as-kings-top-basketball-decision-maker/An excerpt:
"The future of D’Alessandro in Sacramento, especially after the departure of his closest ally in the organization in Mullin, is unclear. Sources say, however, that the Kings have already launched a search to add another front-line basketball executive to work alongside Divac whether D’Alessandro stays or departs."
Vlade isn't going to be doing it by himself. As has been mentioned SEVERAL times, there is every indication another person is going to be brought in.
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