Man Accused of Throwing Beer at Artest Has a Long Criminal History

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Report: Fan In White Hat Has Criminal History

Man Accused Of Throwing First Cup Speaks To Police

POSTED: 7:50 am EST November 22, 2004


AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Police continue to identify all of the fans involved in Friday night's brawl at The Palace of Auburn Hills, while the man accused of throwing the cup that sparked the incident speaks to Local 4.

Police have identified this fan -- believed to have thrown the first beer at the Indiana Pacers' Ron Artest -- as John Green, of West Bloomfield.

John Green, of West Bloomfield, was caught on tape throwing his cup of beer onto Indiana Pacers player Ron Artest, Local 4 reported. The act sent Artest into a rage in the stands, where players and fans then fought during the game between the Pistons and the Pacers.

Local 4 learned that Green has a criminal history, which includes the following offenses:

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2003 -- Operating under the influence of liquor/operating while visibly impaired (second offense)
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1989 -- Assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder
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1989 -- Escape from prison
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1986 -- Carrying concealed weapons
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1986 -- Uttering and publishing, which is using a false, forged, altered or counterfeit record, deed or instrument to injure or defraud.


Green initially said he had no comment to Local 4, but eventually talked with the station Monday morning outside his West Bloomfield home, saying, "I'm not going anywhere. The police know where I live. I've talked to them already."

(Hear What John Green Has To Say)

Green was identified over the weekend as "the fan in the white hat" who apparently threw the plastic cup of beer while Artest was sprawled on his back on a scorer's table, away from a scuffle on the court. Artest then jumped up and charged into the stands, throwing punches as he climbed over seats.

Green stepped aside and another person took the initial blow. The tape of Friday's fight then shows Green attacking Artest from behind.

Green was expected to speak with Auburn Hills police Sunday night, but did not appear, the station reported.

"I think that's what escalated the whole situation. We're certainly wanting to interview that individual. That individual knows who he is. I suggest he should turn himself in to be questioned by the Auburn Hills Police Department," said Oakland County Prosecutor David Gorcyca. "If he doesn't, I can assure you we will locate him."

Authorities were able to locate Green and have questioned him regarding the incident, Local 4 learned Monday. Green could face charges and lose his season tickets at The Palace, the station reported.

Gorcyca said the investigation will begin with Green, but the prosecutor's office is expected to announce charges against 25 to 50 other fans who participated in the fight at The Palace.

Gorcyca said anyone who threw a cup or a punch -- including players and fans -- could face criminal charges.

"The throwing of an object and striking someone constitutes an assault," said Gorcyca.

One fan in particular that police want to identify is the person who threw a chair into the crowd. Police are reviewing video from a fan who snuck a camera into the game, Local 4 reported.

Police have interviewed nine witnesses who claimed that they were assaulted by one of the Pacers, Local 4 reported Monday. Investigators continue to review video to identify others involved in the brawl.

Witness Joe Hampton said he is a season-ticket holder and was about 10 rows away from the incident Friday.

"I didn't have the instinct necessarily to take off. It's just so shocking. You just kind of freeze," said Hampton. "This happened fast and it was just kind of surreal."

Authorities are trying to confirm witness information with video of the incident.

NBA security is also reviewing the tapes and plan to speak with officials at The Palace about security measures.

NBA Players' Union To Appeal Suspensions

The suspensions given to players following Friday night's incident at the Indiana Pacers-Detroit Pistons game are expected to be appealed by the NBA players' union Monday.

NBA Commissioner David Stern suspended Pacers forward Ron Artest for the remainder of the season.

The NBA levied the stiffest penalties on three members of the Indiana Pacers. Overall, nine players from the teams were banned for 143 games. Artest is the first player to be suspended for nearly an entire season for a fight during a game.

The suspended Pistons sat out Sunday night's game between Detroit and the Charlotte Bobcats.

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That's painting with a pretty broad brush. Not all fans are bad. Eeven the ARCO fans have thrown things. It is behavior that can not be tolerated.
 
Green could face charges and lose his season tickets at The Palace, the station reported.

Could lose his season tickets? I'd like to hear the reason if he DOESN'T...
 
Well I think only one of his past crimes would qulaify as a strike in CA, althought he conceled weapon charge is troubling... real poster child for civic responsablity.
 
I'm thinkin' this guy is going to be happy if all he loses are his season tickets...assclown! No excuses though for what happened next!:eek:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1929362
Monday, November 22, 2004
Fan who threw cup has criminal convictions



ESPN.com news services

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Investigators interviewed nine people injured in the brawl at the end of the Pistons-Pacers game, but no charges were imminent in the case, the county prosecutor said Monday.

Police were also reviewing videotapes and interviewing witnesses from Friday night's melee, when Indiana forward Ron Artest charged into the stands after a fan threw a cup at him.

John Green of West Bloomfield Township was identified as the fan who threw the cup at Artest, said David Gorcyca, the Oakland County prosecutor. The Detroit Free Press reported late Monday that Green has several criminal convictions, including felony assault with intent to do great bodily harm. Green has three drunken-driving convictions, and Gorcyca said a condition of Green's probation was that he not drink alcohol.

Auburn Hills police told the Free Press that they are also asking the public to help identify a man who was caught on tape throwing a chair. Police say the chair hit several people, including a police officer. Authorities plan to release a picture on Tuesday of the man taken from video of the melee.

Gorcyca told the Free Press that charges will not be filed this week but are likely. If charges are filed, they would probably be for assault and battery, a misdemeanor that could bring a three-month jail sentence, said Gorcyca. The only possible felony charge could be against the person who threw the chair.

Police chief Doreen Olko said none of the people involved was seriously injured.

Asked if Artest could claim self-defense, Gorcyca said: "Even if someone did throw water, you don't have a license or a green light to punch them."

The prosecutor identified Green -- a former next-door neighbor -- by repeatedly watching footage of the brawl. He said footage showed that once Artest was in the stands, Green grabbed him from behind and sucker-punched him.

Green, however, told reporters he didn't throw the cup.

"I wish the whole thing didn't happen," he said. "I'm sure the NBA players that got involved in it wish it never happened, the fans never wished that it had happened. I know I don't. It was awful, it was ugly."

Speaking to reporters with his attorney present Monday, Green neither confirmed nor denied he threw the cup. Green said he doesn't remember what happened during the brawl because it all happened so fast. He added that whatever is on the video in the authorities' possession is what happened. There is video showing him throwing the cup.

Pistons chief executive Tom Wilson said Green is a season ticket-holder and will be banned from The Palace.

On Sunday, the NBA suspended Artest for the rest of the season. The league also suspended Indiana's Stephen Jackson for 30 games and teammate Jermaine O'Neal for 25. Detroit's Ben Wallace -- whose shove of Artest after a foul led to the five-minute fracas -- drew a six-game ban, while Pacers guard Anthony Johnson got five games.

Four players -- Indiana's Reggie Miller and Detroit's Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman -- were suspended one game apiece for leaving the bench during the initial fight.
 
Gargamel said:
Pistons' fan scum is redundant.

...JK, Supe.

(slinks quietly out of Superman's sight)...
I'll give it a rest too, Supe! I was just checking Garg's ability to resist the poke...he seems to be highly ticklish! :D
 
...speaking of throwing beer (ok I didn't know where else to put it ;)), anyone in the Sacramento area, Fox40 news is going to show clips of one of Sacramento's low nights in the history of being a sports fan. In outrage of the outcome of boxing match involving one of Sacramento's own, "fans" went Piston fan inside of Arco. Sad, sad sight, but no punches were thrown.
 
Stojakovic said:
I say poor, poor players.

Everybody jump to the rescue of the multi-millionaires who got beer spilled on them. Poor them !
Excuse me, did the players start this thing by throwing beer at the crowd? Thought not.

Being a "fan" doesn't somehow magically release you from decent conduct. Of course as it turns out the felon who throught the cup wouldn't know decent conduct if it bit him. How the hell does a scum like that afford tickets so close to the court anyway?
 
Bricklayer said:
Excuse me, did the players start this thing by throwing beer at the crowd? Thought not.

Being a "fan" doesn't somehow magically release you from decent conduct. Of course as it turns out the felon who throught the cup wouldn't know decent conduct if it bit him. How the hell does a scum like that afford tickets so close to the court anyway?
Umm, maybe crime DOES pay? :D

Seriously, I've been wondering about this for most of the night since I read his curiculum vitæ.

Interesting that he was eventually identified by his former next door neighbor, the county prosecutor! :eek:
 
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Bricklayer said:
Excuse me, did the players start this thing by throwing beer at the crowd? Thought not.

Being a "fan" doesn't somehow magically release you from decent conduct. Of course as it turns out the felon who throught the cup wouldn't know decent conduct if it bit him. How the hell does a scum like that afford tickets so close to the court anyway?
Start ?!?! This is PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL. When you lie on the scorers table like Artest did in the middle of a fight against the HOME TEAM, you're only inviting fans to do something like that. I have seen far worse things in sports, where players were hit with objects , yet not one of them raced into the crowd to evoke a riot. What are fans supposed to do after a player (who in this case was twice the size of the guy he was attacking) races into the stands to attack people ?

It is not up to a player to deal with fans who do not conduct themselves decently. Instead of running into the stands like a maniac, he could have pointed at the fan (remember the Bobby J incident ? He fought with McGrady, and as he was leaving the arena he was hit with beer...he ran back and pointed to the fan, and the fan was dealt with) and all this could have been avoided.

If you ask me, Ron Artest SHOULD NEVER step into an NBA arena again.
 
Stojakovic said:
Start ?!?! This is PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL. When you lie on the scorers table like Artest did in the middle of a fight against the HOME TEAM, you're only inviting fans to do something like that. I have seen far worse things in sports, where players were hit with objects , yet not one of them raced into the crowd to evoke a riot. What are fans supposed to do after a player (who in this case was twice the size of the guy he was attacking) races into the stands to attack people ?

It is not up to a player to deal with fans who do not conduct themselves decently. Instead of running into the stands like a maniac, he could have pointed at the fan (remember the Bobby J incident ? He fought with McGrady, and as he was leaving the arena he was hit with beer...he ran back and pointed to the fan, and the fan was dealt with) and all this could have been avoided.

If you ask me, Ron Artest SHOULD NEVER step into an NBA arena again.
Well, if the guy sitting in the seat next to me happened to be the yahoo who threw the cup, think I'd just calmly step out of the way and let him get the crap kicked out of him frankly. Serve him right + maybe then I wouldn;t have to endure such an obnoxious neighbor for the rest of the season.

But in any case, last time I checked, NO player entered the stands until something was thrown OUT of the stands to pelt them. If you're going to go after the guy who attacked you form the stands, quite obviously you have to go into the stands. Dumb because you should rely on the security personnel there to take care of it (if there were any). But taken care of it needed to be.

Being a fan does not mean being an ******* is somehow ok. The law doesn't stop at the doors to the arena. Nor do social standards somehow disappear. beaning somebody with an object is a real good way to start a fight with anybody anytime anywhere.
 
Bricklayer said:
But in any case, last time I checked, NO player entered the stands until something was thrown OUT of the stands to pelt them. If you're going to go after the guy who attacked you form the stands, quite obviously you have to go into the stands. Dumb because you should rely on the security personnel there to take care of it (if there were any). But taken care of it needed to be.

Being a fan does not mean being an ******* is somehow ok. The law doesn't stop at the doors to the arena. Nor do social standards somehow disappear. beaning somebody with an object is a real good way to start a fight with anybody anytime anywhere.
I don't see how this is a response to my post, but I agree with you.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well, if the guy sitting in the seat next to me happened to be the yahoo who threw the cup, think I'd just calmly step out of the way and let him get the crap kicked out of him frankly.
Yea, but if he mistakenly took you or your friends for the yahoo and start hitting you, im sure you would start punching back. I know i would, chich i think is the case because artest attack the wrong guy when he charge up there.
 
Bricklayer said:
How the hell does a scum like that afford tickets so close to the court anyway?
According to the guy Artest attacked, the guy who threw the beer moved down from the upper section... that was not his seat.
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the guy who threw the beer shouldn't even been drinking one as he was on parole. what a MORON. plus he threw in a few cheap shtos on ron artest!!!! when artest was going after the wrong guy ( he ran right past this clown) mr beer chucker tried to separate them, and he threw in a few cheap shots at his head!!! what a wipe!!!

i heard he was going to lose his season tickets, and be banned from the palace. GOOD. he also needs to return to jail ASAP
 
Alacron said:
According to the guy Artest attacked, the guy who threw the beer moved down from the upper section... that was not his seat.
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LOL this ispriceless, every day wefind out a little bit more aobut how scummy this guy is Ukering seas may not be a felonny but it does expalin how a 3 time looser got court side. Bet the season ticket holder how left early is glad he/she was gone!
 
Evenstar said:
the guy who threw the beer shouldn't even been drinking one as he was on parole. what a MORON. plus he threw in a few cheap shtos on ron artest!!!! when artest was going after the wrong guy ( he ran right past this clown) mr beer chucker tried to separate them, and he threw in a few cheap shots at his head!!! what a wipe!!!

i heard he was going to lose his season tickets, and be banned from the palace. GOOD. he also needs to return to jail ASAP
Justice might be to send him to jail in Indiana... he probalby will be a hero in a Michigan facility.
 
Alacron said:
According to the guy Artest attacked, the guy who threw the beer moved down from the upper section... that was not his seat.
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It was the guy who Stephen Jackson attacked who said that (he was WITH the guy that Artest grabbed)

He said (and did) a few interesting things.

First of all he said that Artest pulled down his friend and then stood over him with his fist cocked yelling "Did you do it? Did You do it?" He didn't say Artest hit him (just threatened to)

Then he tossed his own beer on Artest (and Jackson), at which point Jackson went to town on him.

He is now suing Jackson and the pacers organization for assault.


any thoughts?
 
mcsluggo said:
It was the guy who Stephen Jackson attacked who said that (he was WITH the guy that Artest grabbed)

He said (and did) a few interesting things.

First of all he said that Artest pulled down his friend and then stood over him with his fist cocked yelling "Did you do it? Did You do it?" He didn't say Artest hit him (just threatened to)

Then he tossed his own beer on Artest (and Jackson), at which point Jackson went to town on him.

He is now suing Jackson and the pacers organization for assault.


any thoughts?
How is it that Artest keeps looking slightly less stupid and the fans are looking dumber by then second. If my frind, who was innocent of throwing beer at a 6"7' know nut case who is now about readyhto punch his lights out the LAST thing I would do is throw my beer on him... dumb jsut does not seem to quite sum it up.
 
mcsluggo said:
It was the guy who Stephen Jackson attacked who said that (he was WITH the guy that Artest grabbed)

He said (and did) a few interesting things.

First of all he said that Artest pulled down his friend and then stood over him with his fist cocked yelling "Did you do it? Did You do it?" He didn't say Artest hit him (just threatened to)

Then he tossed his own beer on Artest (and Jackson), at which point Jackson went to town on him.

He is now suing Jackson and the pacers organization for assault.


any thoughts?
Actually, that account fits more closely to what I saw. I was wondering why nobody noticed that Artest never really threw a punch in the stands (from the video I saw). The Detroit stories keep saying, "Artest then jumped up and charged into the stands, throwing punches as he climbed over seats," but I don't think that happened.

Besides the fact that Artest going into the stands at all was the thing that really escalated the situation, he didn't seem to be acting as crazy as Jackson. Jackson just wanted to hit somebody the whole time. Wasn't he acting crazy on the court when Wallace first shoved Artest? And when Artest headed into the stands he followed with a little too much enthusiasm. The guy in black throws his drink at Artest, and Jackson goes after him. He would have kept going after him if another Pacer (Jones I think) hadn't grabbed his jersey. I guess Jackson doesn't have the priors like Artest, but I think he's getting off the easiest of the bunch, especially compared to O'Neal.
 
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