Maloofs QUIT arena talks!!

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Maloofs quit arena talks
Disagreement surfaces over parking, project's size and amenities.
By Mary Lynne Vellinga, Terri Hardy and Jon Ortiz - Bee Staff Writers
Published 12:00 am PDT Thursday, September 14, 2006

The Maloof family has walked away from talks with the city and county of Sacramento over the terms of locating a new arena in the downtown railyard -- a heavy blow to community leaders trying to sell the arena proposal to the public.

"There are no more negotiations; we've already discussed all the issues," Joe Maloof said in a phone interview Wednesday. "They know what we need. We've told them."

The disagreement centers on parking, the size of the arena site, and on what, if any, kinds of retail or housing also would go into the sports and entertainment zone.

The pro-arena forces were left Wednesday with the very real possibility that they may be campaigning for a new sales tax on the Nov. 7 ballot to build an arena in the railyard without the owners of the NBA franchise on board -- and without their money to help pay for the campaign.

"We still consider them part of our team, but it is our arena, and we will decide where it goes, and the public has said loud and clear that the best place for the arena is in the railyard," said Assistant City Manager John Dangberg, who has represented the city in talks with the team.

Doug Elmets, spokesman for the Yes on Q & R campaign, said the campaign will move forward despite the negotiation problems and Joe Maloof's statements. He said the Maloofs haven't given any money to the campaign.

"We're focused on the railyards -- with or without the Maloofs' support," he said.

Sacramento Mayor Heather Fargo and Vice Mayor Rob Fong this week contacted a top NBA official to apprise him of the situation. Earlier this year, Fong persuaded the NBA to bring the Maloofs back to the bargaining table after another breakoff in talks.

County and city staff members had committed to producing a memorandum of understanding with detailed terms of the deal by Oct. 6. But even if that document never materializes, the ballot measure to raise the sales tax by a quarter-cent remains on the November ballot, Dangberg said.

So does a companion advisory measure asking voters if they want to spend about half the $1.2 billion in new taxes on an arena and the rest on community projects.

Elected officials who had been involved in the negotiations for months said it wasn't uncommon for the Maloofs to walk away from the table on more than one occasion. That gives them hope that they will be back.

Joe Maloof accused the city and county of backing away from terms previously agreed to, something officials vehemently deny. He said his family won't give money to the campaign until its needs for a downtown site are met.

"If they want an arena downtown, they'll stick by the agreement we have," he said.

One source familiar with the campaign said the Maloofs had pledged to donate $1.5 million to the effort.

Parking and what will surround the proposed arena are in dispute.

The Maloofs now control about 11,000 parking spaces around Arco Arena, and they want at least 8,000 -- the amount that fills up for Kings games -- at the new site, Dangberg said. They also don't want competition from other retail and restaurant businesses in the sports and entertainment zone.

The city, meanwhile, had committed to providing the team with a parking garage that could have as many as 3,000 spaces. Money from that garage would go to the team. Patrons also could park elsewhere in the railyard or downtown, or could arrive by light rail. In those cases, the team would not receive the money.

Dangberg said the Maloofs wanted to eliminate the housing, hotels and retail planned for the railyard's 20-acre sports and entertainment district and fill it with "an arena and parking garages and nothing else."

But the city is seeking to create a walkable entertainment district where people arrive by means other than cars. "We don't want to take Arco Arena and replicate it downtown," Dangberg said.

Maloof said his family supports putting an arena in the railyard, but won't locate in a place that "puts the franchise in jeopardy."

"Why would we move to a different area if it hurts our revenue," Maloof said.

"There's tremendous risk in running a sports franchise. It's not a normal business," Maloof added. "People are sweeping that under the rug."

Maloof said the city is trying to renege on a previously negotiated agreement on how much land the arena would occupy. Those involved in the negotiations said the Maloofs are seeking 8.5 acres.

"They know the size of area we need for an arena," Maloof said. "They wanted to cut it in half. If they want an arena downtown, they've got to stick with the agreement we have."

Dangberg said city negotiators don't have a set amount of land in mind, but want to first agree on what an arena would contain and then figure out how much land it would require.

"We're OK with 8.5 acres if that's what it is," he said.

The preliminary term sheet signed by both sides in August specifies neither the size of the arena site nor the number of parking spaces.
Maloof threw leaders of the campaign for measures Q and R into a tizzy last week at a pro-arena news conference when he said the arena might go someplace other than the railyard.

"We wholeheartedly support the idea of putting it downtown, but don't have a deal worked out yet," he said Wednesday. "When the voter goes into the booth, he's got to know where it's going to be."

Maloof noted other difficulties with developing the railyard. For example, he noted, developer Stan Thomas hasn't even finalized his purchase of the 240- acre yard from Union Pacific. "It's a very difficult spot to develop," he said.

But some city and county leaders leading the campaign for the arena said the downtown railyard location is something they refuse to compromise in order to get a new arena.

The term sheet with the Maloofs clearly states the arena could go elsewhere if the railyard site doesn't work out. But Sacramento's political will has coalesced around the idea of using the arena to help spur redevelopment of the long-dormant railyard.

"That's where we all want it," Fargo said Wednesday.

Sacramento County Supervisor Roger Dickinson said the railyard site is "the basis on which I've supported this effort."

Opponents of the arena Wednesday seized on the rift between the Maloofs and the ballot campaign -- saying that Joe Maloof was at least being honest with voters.

State Assemblyman Dave Jones and other opponents staged a news conference at the south gate to Arco Arena. They spun a makeshift roulette wheel in which the arrow stopped at different cities around the region.

"They mention the downtown about 30 times in their (campaign) materials, but there's nothing in either of the two measures that says anything about downtown or the railyard," Jones said.

Ron Dwyer-Voss, a member of the Natomas Unified School District Board, said it's no surprise the proponents of the new arena are arguing with the Maloofs.

"It's a bad deal, and when you have a bad deal, and you're trying to sell the product, the salesmen are going to fight."
 

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"We want it there, we support it there, we think it's great for the city. But we're not going to go into an area that puts the franchise in jeopardy."

Joe Maloof, Sacramento Kings owner, on the downtown railyard site for a new arena
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"We respect the Maloofs and applaud all they have done, but this isn't their decision and it's not their arena. The community has decided that the railyards is where it's going to be and this committee is committed to moving mountains to make it happen."

Sandy Smoley, the former Sacramento County supervisor who is chairing the Yes on Q & R campaign
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"If we can't get clarification about the railyard plans, it will definitely impact our decision to be supportive. We need this to be on track because it's the best opportunity to see positive development for both sides, the arena and countywide. If it doesn't go forward, more than a sports and entertainment facility will be lost."

Michael Ault, executive director for the Downtown Sacramento Partnership
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"This is all a bit of a mystery to us as to why what we've already negotiated is suddenly in play. ... We're still supportive of these measures. That is, on the assumption that we can work through these issues quickly -- that stands."

John Thomas, Maloof Sports and Entertainment president, who said Wednesday the Maloofs still plan to contribute money to the Yes on Q & R campaign
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Measures Q & R's success Nov. 7 "doesn't hinge on the Maloofs' financial contribution or their participation, although we certainly do hope that they contribute."

Doug Elmets, Yes on Q & R campaign spokesman
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"All along we've said that this isn't just about basketball. The campaign and the negotiations need to be kept separate. We have seen in other communities that these negotiations can't be done in public."

Matt Mahood, chief executive officer, Sacramento Metropolitan Chamber of Commerce, and Q & R campaign co-chairman, who advocates that the ballot campaign press forward even if the Maloofs and city/county negotiators don't resolve differences
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"I believe this is worth moving foward with in any case. We have a need for an entertainment facility in this region of this size and quality. If the Kings are not a part of it, it is presumed that they are not part of our community. They made that pretty clear. If that happens, the most likely scenario is that Arco Arena would be demolished, leaving this region without an entertainment venue."

John Dangberg, Sacramento assistant city manager
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"If these guys don't get things straightened out and the team leaves, Sacramento will go from being one of the top NBA cities back to being like Fresno. The Kings are a major part of what the town has to offer. I need them."

Doug Dean, owner of Top Notch Limousine and Executive Service, who says 70 percent of his fleet's trips involve Arco Arena events, mostly Kings games
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- Jon Ortiz and Mary Lynne Vellinga, Bee staff writers

About the writer: The Bee's Mary Lynne Vellinga can be reached at (916) 321-1094 or mlvellinga@sacbee.com.
 

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"There's tremendous risk in running a sports franchise. It's not a normal business," Maloof added. "People are sweeping that under the rug."
If the Maloof family didn't own a gazillion-dollar casino, I might feel sorry for them. BUT the value of the free advertising alone the Palms Casino receives from NBA-related sources, such as in-game discussions, stories about the Palms, etc. more than makes up, IMHO, for some lost parking revenue.

I love the Kings but I'm getting awfully tired of feeling like the team I love is being held ransom by their owners.

If all these things were so blasted important, WHY weren't they ironed out before the agreements were drawn up and the ballot measures written? I don't know how the Maloofs expect informed, educated voters to vote for something when they aren't even sure where it's going to be located.

A lot of my enthusiasm for the whole project, totally apart from giving the Kings and Monarchs a new home, was the excitement I felt over the idea of having a vital, vibrant area downtown, including shops, restaurants, riverwalk, etc.

The Maloofs now control about 11,000 parking spaces around Arco Arena, and they want at least 8,000 -- the amount that fills up for Kings games -- at the new site, Dangberg said. They also don't want competition from other retail and restaurant businesses in the sports and entertainment zone.
And do we have any remote idea of what the "sports and entertainment zone" would be?

If they are really going to be this way, the opponents of this whole measure will have a lot of ammunition for the next 6 weeks.

What a crock...
 
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I agree.

Anyone who goes to any self-respecting downtown stadium district knows two things:

1. Public transportation is the way to go. Light rail, bus, taxi, and--God forbid--biking and walking are all more appealing than driving your car downtown. If the city is trying to do this with the new downtown development, more power to them.

2. Walk around Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium, and what do you have? Shops, bars, cafes. Plenty of attractions that make the area so great. That's not "revenue competition." That's having a vibrant downtown sports and entertainment district.

Sorry Maloofs, but I've about at it with you, too. These sources of "revenue competition" were going to have a tax increase to help pay for YOUR ARENA.

First the gold jerseys, now this? The best fans in the NBA deserve better.

**** it, let's buy the Clippers.
 
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word. i have the same feeling reading this as when my lady left me. lets just build it anyway. everybody vote yes, if we build a sick *** arena, the nba wont let them leave
 
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More thoughts: We should move forward to build it anyways, without the Maloofs, for two reasons. The first being that it's possible Stern would intervene if Sacramento built a state of the art downtown arena and the Kings still wanted to leave. He knows there are more important things than blessed parking spots.

The second, which I posted in another tread, is that it's entirely possible that the arena campaign could benefit without the "billionaire Maloofs" in the fold. Say, **** you Vegas rich kids, we're Sacramento, and we're building this damn thing without you. Maybe that would resonate more with the voters, and the measure would have a better chance of passing.

That said, there's too many "what if's" to make me comfortable with these new developments. Even with Don Nelson at the helm--correction: especially with Nellie at the helm--I don't think I can be a Warriors fan.
 
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word. i have the same feeling reading this as when my lady left me. lets just build it anyway. everybody vote yes, if we build a sick *** arena, the nba wont let them leave

I agree here...if the Sacramento goes forward and BUILDS the arena there is no way in HELL Stern would allow the Kings to be moved. He'd tell the Maloofs tough luck. They just built you a 500 Million dollar arena and you're turning your noses up to 5000 parking spots? Please!

THey've had HOW many sell out in Sacto even before you were there? There's no way I can sell a move of the Kings...they've done everything humanly possible to keep the Kings in Sacramento...except build 5000 extra parking spots.

That would actually be the bigger spite towards the Maloofs than voting No on the measure. If you vote No you give them the opportunity to push for a team in Vegas in a few years. The Maloofs seem to be able to get things done, so I wouldn't put it past them.
 
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IMO only, its pretty obvious they are trying to kill this measure or have it fail. There is no way I can believe they would be saying and doing what they are doing the last 2 weeks if they wanted this to pass.

This is all items they could take care of after the measure passed, this looks like they are sabotaging the measure.

Nice excuse for not donating to Q&R also... They haven't asked yet is hardly an excuse with this much on the line.

I should post much more this really P's me off. Unbelievable (you believe what I told you a few months ago about the neighbor VF? Hard not to even tho I don't want to believe it.)
 
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IMO these measures were at best 50/50 before this "development." That's 50/50 with a concerted campaign and money. I'm sorry this is not what is needed prior to the election.

Unless the Maloofs get back on board there is no way the voters are going to vote for this. The Kings are the center piece and while it's not strictly about the Kings people won't vote for an arena on the possibilty of a team moving here.
 

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IMO only, its pretty obvious they are trying to kill this measure or have it fail. There is no way I can believe they would be saying and doing what they are doing the last 2 weeks if they wanted this to pass.

This is all items they could take care of after the measure passed, this looks like they are sabotaging the measure.

Not sure I agree.

We don't know what was agreed to verbally about parking, etc, and we don't know if the city/county is changing what they had agreed to earlier. We just don't know.

We do know it is the city/county coming out publically with this information, apparently to put public pressure on MSE for whatever reason.

There does need to be a certain # of parking spots available for the arena and surrounding businesses. What that # is, I have no idea, so I have no rational way to judge the numbers being bandied about.

I do know that it isn't feasible for everyone to take light rail who comes downtown. The rail station is probably not going to be located immediately adjacent to the arena area and a decent walking distance may be involved (several blocks or more), so there could be a variety of reasons:

*No rail service from the direction they are coming.
*Bringing small children/elderly.
*Fear of crime at rail stations or on the train.
*Plan to go shopping and need a vehicle to put purchased items in.
*Handicapped.
*Cheaper to take one vehicle and park than pay for multiple rail tickets.
*Coming from an area outside rail service (say, Galt, Stockton, Bay Area, Marysville, Davis, etc.), and once you are in the car and on the way figure "why get out in (insert rail station here) to ride rail - we're almost there".
*Possible conflicts with the rail schedule.
*Not returning to the same location after the game as when you started (decide to stay in a hotel instead of driving back that night, or you are from out-of-town, wtc.).

I'm sure there are more, but the parking limitations could be a very real issue to some. Not saying that I agree with one side or another, but there are lots of details to be discussed and if one side is arbitrarily changing some aspect of the agreement, I might be upset as well if I were on the losing end financially.

As VF has said, it's better if all of this could be discussed behind closed doors.
 
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I've maintained all along that the Maloofs wanted to keep the Kings in Sacramento. I've argued with people who think that they are just making a "surface" effort before relocating the team. I honestly still believe that they want the team here, but they have a heck of a way of showing it. I don't know where I stand right now. I am, and always will be, for a new arena because I believe this area needs it, and I love the Kings and want to keep them here. But, I am really fed up with the Maloofs. They are coming across as spoiled brats that throw tantrums when things don't go their way, and frankly, I'm not sure that is far off from the truth.

I say build the new arena, Stern will make them stay, and then they can pout all they want.
 
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I love the "they have walked out on many discussions before"

I haven't had time to cool off on this so take it with a grain WAR.

That is all BS. This is a Campaign.. In which

1. They need passed but haven't sent in a penny to support it (supposedly because they haven't asked)

2. They are bringing up issues that can be dealt with after it passes. Its a general tax. Money can go wherever the location is, parking can also be discussed at this time. It is not a time to have headlines saying "maloofs walk away"

It is so obvious it's not even funny. My money is on Anaheim in 07/08 yours? This entire thing is absolutely ridiculous. Either the Maloofs are complete fools or they don't want to be here.

Which is it?
 
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It is so obvious it's not even funny. My money is on Anaheim in 07/08 yours? This entire thing is absolutely ridiculous. Either the Maloofs are complete fools or they don't want to be here.

Which is it?
Completely agree with you here. It's hard to believe they wouldn't want to stay in Sac, so I tend to believe they are just idiots. Then again, it's hard to believe they are actually this dumb... so....

I really don't know what to think about the Maloofs right now. I'm very angry too, and keep wanted to jot off a little email to the Maloofs/Kings, but I'm waiting until I calm down.
 
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With or without the Maloofs support I will vote yes on Q & R. We own this city and it is in the long term, best interest of the city. This is not about what benefits the Maloofs the most. I want the railyards developed with a 1st class entertainment venue as the center piece. I want shops, housing and places to eat all around the center. If the Maloofs cannot live with this then they can live in Anahiem. But really.....would they try to pull out if Q&R passed......."ring, ring....Joe its for you....it is David Stern and he does not sound happy."
 
#15
We're becoming the Cleveland Browns. Do we get to retain the Kings team name like Cleveland though. I never thought I'd say this but EFF the Maloofs.
 
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Wow. For a second there, I thought I was reading a fake article. For all those people who were pointing there fingers at city officials we at least know now it was a two way street. Parking is a legitimate concern, but not enough to kill a deal over, and not wanting completion from outside retailers when the whole point of an Arena DT was to spur development DT.

The Maloofs have for the longest time monopolized entertainment in Sac (one sports town), this sounds like they want to continue that. It sounds like they want to set up one of their Vegas joints here, where they own and run the clubs, restaurants, and other amenities and lock out competitors to what will end up being prime real estate.
 
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This is all items they could take care of after the measure passed, this looks like they are sabotaging the measure.
This is the $1,000,000 question...Why do this NOW? Shouldn't this have been talked about when they were drawing up the agreement? F-this!! GET IT DONE PEOPLE!! DON'T TAKE US FANS/CITIZENS ON ANY MORE OF A NEGATIVE RIDE!!
 
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I would vote for a new arena if the city had larger slice of the pie. Part of the ticket and parking revenue from all events. Not just a single digit percentage but more along the lines of 35-45%. If Sacramento is going to build an arena and pay for it. We should at least get some of the profits. The maloofs are paying a small chunk for the building. They shouldn't get all the revenue. If they want to build it and pay for it, fine. They can charge whatever they want. Go to a Giants game and see how much it costs at a privately built stadium. ($25.00 for parking, $6.25 for garlic fries, $6.25 for a soda, and $8.25 for a beer) Thats not even including the sports gear and gift shop. The Maloofs can take the full profit from their gift/team store and consessions which I think is more than fair.

This deal should be about fairness. And with the current deal Sacramento is getting screwed over. Yes Sacramento needs a new arena but at the same time we shouldn't be held hostage by the Maloofs.
 
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For the gazillionth time, building owners do NOT generally get a part of the revenue of the people who have leased the building.

Other than that, you aren't saying anything new, Greenking, so have a nice day...
 
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This whole situation feels like the Maloofs think we need them more than they need us and they dangle the Kings over our heads to remind us of it.

If they are so profit savvy they'd realize that taking the Kings from this AMAZING fan base is not the best idea.

It's nice to see the city taking a stand instead of taking it in the... well, you know.
 

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This whole situation feels like the Maloofs think we need them more than they need us and they dangle the Kings over our heads to remind us of it.

If they are so profit savvy they'd realize that taking the Kings from this AMAZING fan base is not the best idea.

It's nice to see the city taking a stand instead of taking it in the... well, you know.
Exactly.

Right or wrong, good or bad, I am totally disgusted with how the Maloofs are handling this.
 

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I love the "they have walked out on many discussions before"

I haven't had time to cool off on this so take it with a grain WAR.

That is all BS. This is a Campaign.. In which

1. They need passed but haven't sent in a penny to support it (supposedly because they haven't asked)

2. They are bringing up issues that can be dealt with after it passes. Its a general tax. Money can go wherever the location is, parking can also be discussed at this time. It is not a time to have headlines saying "maloofs walk away"

It is so obvious it's not even funny. My money is on Anaheim in 07/08 yours? This entire thing is absolutely ridiculous. Either the Maloofs are complete fools or they don't want to be here.

Which is it?
Or it's what it might be on the surface - the railyards site is not a quick-n-easy development project with lots of issues floating around and maybe someone is jerking MSE's chain by trying to change things they have verbally agreed to. Then they go public when MSE gets upset.

Sounds exactly like when MSE was blindsided at the council meeting - someone with no clue on how to negotiate an agreement decides to lay down the law, consequences be darned.

Again, I don't know who's right or wrong here, but it isn't pretty and isn't helping. Jumping on the anti-MSE bandwagon isn't going to get a deal done any sooner, though.
 

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I feel badly about sounding like I'm anti-MSE because I'm not. I am, however, anti-stupid. Whoever is giving the Maloofs advice on the best way to handle this stuff has to be a closet Laker fan. There's simply no other explanation.
 

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I feel badly about sounding like I'm anti-MSE because I'm not. I am, however, anti-stupid. Whoever is giving the Maloofs advice on the best way to handle this stuff has to be a closet Laker fan. There's simply no other explanation.
Oh, agreed, they haven't been necessarily been making the smartest moves recently, but that doesn't mean they want to move. It could mean negotiations are tough and when word leaks out by the other party that you are supposedly being petty over something which could be percieved as trivial (parking), when in fact the parking arrangements could make or break profitability, you might get a bit mad or not think clearly either.

Of course, you should have someone to help sort out the publicity thing and make sure the right message gets out, which is where things may not be quite up-to-speed yet, unfortunately.
 
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This is going to sound really stupid but in my dream world Snoop Dogg buys the Kings from the Maloofs, and we trade for KG. It's unrealistic but dang it would be cool.

Man I wish Joe and Gavin would stop being so two faced. Man they have been f'ing with Sac for the last gew years, "we want an arena arco's not good enough," or "we need a new arena really badly," but now "we want our damned parking spaces!!!!! Forget about you, we don't care if you're building us this 500 million dollar arena, we want to move to freakin vegas or anaheim, f sacto."

If they want to move the team they need to just say so, that way we'd build the arena and hopefully Stern would keep the Kings in Sac and make them sell. Or they'd just move and even though my favorite team is moving and I'd feel bad, atleast I wouldn't feel "wow I just got lied to after supporting the billionaire boys all along and now they're stabbing me in the back by moving anyway" bad.
 

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Man I wish Joe and Gavin would stop being so two faced. Man they have been f'ing with Sac for the last gew years, "we want an arena arco's not good enough," or "we need a new arena really badly," but now "we want our damned parking spaces!!!!! Forget about you, we don't care if you're building us this 500 million dollar arena, we want to move to freakin vegas or anaheim, f sacto."
Why are they two-faced? Because ARCO sucks as an arena? Talk to anyone who's been to other arenas and they will tell you it's true.

Because they may have come to an agreement on parking spaces and someone is backing out? The Maloofs have been losing money on the Kings most years they have been here. Losing money. MILLIONS of dollars a year, in most cases. Parking may be chump change to you (but I don't see you offering to pony up the difference), but it could be the difference between being financially viable and not financially viable at the arena site in the Railyards.

They have NEVER said they want to move. Never. They have repeatedly said they want to keep the Kings here for 30 years (lease length) and longer, if possible. They just need a new arena to maintain some fiscal viability. The area needs it too. Everyone agrees on that.
 
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Why are they two-faced? Because ARCO sucks as an arena? Talk to anyone who's been to other arenas and they will tell you it's true.

Because they may have come to an agreement on parking spaces and someone is backing out? The Maloofs have been losing money on the Kings most years they have been here. Losing money. MILLIONS of dollars a year, in most cases. Parking may be chump change to you (but I don't see you offering to pony up the difference), but it could be the difference between being financially viable and not financially viable at the arena site in the Railyards.

They have NEVER said they want to move. Never. They have repeatedly said they want to keep the Kings here for 30 years (lease length) and longer, if possible. They just need a new arena to maintain some fiscal viability. The area needs it too. Everyone agrees on that.
Man I am just getting the feeling that they are trying to not get this done or somethin like that, like sabotage(spelling?) it or something. Maybe I'm wrong I dunno, I just don't like the way they're handling this.
 

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Man I am just getting the feeling that they are trying to not get this done or somethin like that, like sabotage(spelling?) it or something. Maybe I'm wrong I dunno, I just don't like the way they're handling this.
Oh, I think that parts of this are being handled poorly, no doubt, but these are serious negotiations with lots of $$$ involved. Unless one of us is in the room listening, I think we have to take what we hear with a healthy dose of scepticism on both sides and assume it's a lot of posturing....
 

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Oh, I think that parts of this are being handled poorly, no doubt, but these are serious negotiations with lots of $$$ involved. Unless one of us is in the room listening, I think we have to take what we hear with a healthy dose of scepticism on both sides and assume it's a lot of posturing....
You're touching on the big point. If these negotiations were being conducted in a room AND NOT in the media, things would be a lot better. I'm sick of the posturing, the accusations, etc. This could all be taken care of out of the public eye.

The Maloofs need to realize they do not have the squeaky clean persona they've apparently been led to believe they present. They could be the best guys in the world, but impressions differ.

All the hype over the Palms Casino the past couple of years - stuff which the Maloofs loved and openly encouraged - has given them a tarnished image of sorts. They're the millionaire playboy brothers who spend most of their time in their casino in Vegas.

They need to get it through their heads that this is NOT big city. Sacramento may have grown but there are still old-fashioned values here. People are seeing all of this as nothing more than bully tactics.
 
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It seems the Maloofs continuoulsly come up with more and more reasons to in hindsight, hinder the progress Sacramento is trying to make.

I am beginning to think it wasn't our City Officials after all that would "stall" on the talks.

I believe they want to leave.