Maloof Response to new plan

#31
As long as we're being as pessimistic as possible, I'd like to point out that it's entirely possible an extinction-level asteroid is hurtling towards Earth at this very moment.
While I'd like to say, "Touche!", I think a more reasonable response would be to ask which of those is more realistic.

Maloofs already have had 2 covenant breaches that we know of. Face it, a third would not be good news.
 
#32
Here's what's going on with the Mets:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/02/if_mets_go_unde.php

There are some parallels between the Wilpons and the Maloofs. Chief among them, the Wilpons really aren't rich enough to own the Mets. I think the same thing can be said about the Maloofs and the Kings right now.

That really is the largest issue. Can the Maloofs really afford an NBA franchise at this point in time?

There's really nothing personal about it. But if Larry Ellison was to jump in right now and rescue the Maloofs, the Kings would be gone ASAP.
 
#33
Public votes of 2/3 majority are not a "let the voter decide" decision. They are a rubber stamp for the word NO. If it was a fair vote, it would be a majority rules vote. Nothing gets passed on a 2/3 vote and absolutely not anything that contains the word tax in there. It's a death sentence once it goes to ballot and on death row until execution the day after the vote. That means you've let only 1/3 of the voting public shoot down the issue. Anyone, like you Arena Skeptic, that advocates going to the ballot knowing that it needs 2/3 for to pass, is being dishonest about their position. Sorry to be blunt, but you are what you are.
Here, here. Except for changing the consitution, everything else should be majority rules. Non of this supermajority crap. Considering low voter turnout, it actually takes far less than 1/3 of the eligible voters to vote anything down. In realistic terms, it is not "the majority have spopken" in any sense of the word majority.
 
#34
While I'd like to say, "Touche!", I think a more reasonable response would be to ask which of those is more realistic.

Maloofs already have had 2 covenant breaches that we know of. Face it, a third would not be good news.
You ignore the fact that the Kings and the Palms are completely separate businesses. If the Maloofs had to sell the team to save the Palms and if they wanted to save a controlling interest in the Palms, they wouldn't keep saying the team is absolutely not for sale. They would have to sell the team and get the league to approve the sale before March 1st. I don't think they'd be telling the media the team is not for sale at this point and we be hearing about real offers for the team, not people's made up rumors.

They are looking at offers on where to possibly move the team, but are adamant they aren't considering selling the team. Larry Ellison can't buy something that's not for sale regardless of how much money he has.

Furthermore, for all we know, the Maloofs may be resigned to being a minority owner in the Palms, if they can't make the payment. They aren't going to lose everything, unless they want to, as they are involoved in negotiations that would leave them as minority owners of the Palms. They don't want that, but it's not the same as losing everything.

They are ahead on their payments to the city, remember and the city has collateral in the land and team, if it so happens that the ownership were to default (which we have absolutely no hint of). I think the land and arena and an interest in the franchise would more than pay back the city. I also don't see that happening and certainly not because of what may or may not happen to the Palms.

Its easy to dream up all the worst disaster scenarios, but that doen't mean they bear any relationship to what may be actually happening. The most likely thing to happen is the Taylor/ICON analysis shows Sacramento can't get an arena and the Maloofs move the team to a place with an NBA-acceptable arena. At this point, Sacramento is on its last shot and one I honestly didn't think we'd get after the Cal-Expo deal fell through.
 
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#35
You ignore the fact that the Kings and the Palms are completely separate businesses. If the Maloofs had to sell the team to save the Palms and if they wanted to save a controlling interest in the Palms, they wouldn't keep saying the team is absolutely not for sale. They would have to sell the team and get the league to approve the sale before March 1st. I don't think they'd be telling the media the team is not for sale at this point and we be hearing about real offers for the team, not people's made up rumors.

They are looking at offers on where to possibly move the team, but are adamant they aren't considering selling the team. Larry Ellison can't buy something that's not for sale regardless of how much money he has.

Furthermore, for all we know, the Maloofs may be resigned to being a minority owner in the Palms, if they can't make the payment. They aren't going to lose everything, unless they want to, as they are involoved in negotiations that would leave them as minority owners of the Palms. They don't want that, but it's not the same as losing everything.

They are ahead on their payments to the city, remember and the city has collateral in the land and team, if it so happens that the ownership were to default (which we have absolutely no hint of). I think the land and arena and an interest in the franchise would more than pay back the city. I also don't see that happening and certainly not because of what may or may not happen to the Palms.

Its easy to dream up all the worst disaster scenarios, but that doen't mean they bear any relationship to what may be actually happening. The most likely thing to happen is the Taylor/ICON analysis shows Sacramento can't get an arena and the Maloofs move the team to a place with an NBA-acceptable arena. At this point, Sacramento is on its last shot and one I honestly didn't think we'd get after the Cal-Expo deal fell through.
I think alot of people forget that they are majority owners of the team. I dont recall what % they own, but other minority owners are from Sacramento.
 
#36
I guess my overall thoughts on this are this... We obviously don't have a rosey picture with this arena situation. I'm sure a great many are concerned and are really hoping this will work out some how. The Kings are a giant asset to this city and losing them will be lamented for many decades around town. Even the die hard anti-arena people should at least have a clue that this is true. I just don't see what the point is obsessing over the doom and gloom and how important it is to be right about this? Is there going to be a logjam of people lined up to jump off the American River bridge and being first is winning?

I just don't get the negativity. The only way I can wrap my head around this is that either you are posing as a Kings fan with an agenda to troll about anything related to a new arena or you guys really are no fun at parties with the doom cloud floating above you. I can live with myself being as optimistic as I can muster and then having it turn out badly in the end. But I see no joy in being first to jump.
 
#37
Who says that Arco is going to be around long enough to book "replacement" entertainment? They've already found out the land is worth more without the arena than with it. And it is owned by the Maloofs. So it will either be sold off or transferred to the city as part of the loan payback. So who is going to come in and pay for all the deferred mantenance on Arco and book a few dozen events to cover the expenses? If I was a betting man, I would bet the building will be torn down or sold off to be stripped and repurposed.
The experts (naysayers) who comment on the Bee said so.

Nice to know that Prince will be performing twice next week in Oakland. Hopefully he will perform in Sacramento too, but so far no word as of now.
 
#38
I think alot of people forget that they are majority owners of the team. I dont recall what % they own, but other minority owners are from Sacramento.
Maloofs own 51%, last I read. Actually one of the owners lives in Colorado now, although he was in Sacramento. He owns a King-themed bar there. Can't remember which owner.
 
#39
Maloofs own 51%, last I read. Actually one of the owners lives in Colorado now. Has a King-themed bar thee. Can't remember which one.
If I remember correctly, it is a friend of the maloofs and they sold him part of their share, but kept the voting rights.

But it seems to me if they Maloofs only lost part of their interest in the Kings, whoever got it wouldn't necessarily get control of the team.
 
#40
That guy from Colorado is Robert Hernreich. John Kehriotis is another minority owner along with just about every member of the direct Maloof family.
 
#42
But the direct Maloof family is all part of the 51% right?

There are still a few from the orginal ownership around.
Yeah the Maloofs are the voting part of the group. The others are limited partners.

Found it in this years media guide:

Maloof Family:
Joe, Gavin, Collen, George, Adrienne and Phil.

Limited Partners:
Joe Benvenuti (original)
Bob Cook (original)
Bob Hernreich
John Kehriotis
Dave Luccheti
 
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#43
Yeah the Maloofs are the voting part of the group. The others are limited partners.

Found it in this years media guide:

Maloof Family:
Joe, Gavin, Collen, George, Adrienne and Phil.

Limited Partners:
Joe Benvenuti (original)
Bob Cook (original)
Bob Hernreich
John Kehriotis
Dave Luccheti
Thanks, JB_Kings. Was going to look it up in the guide, but got distracted by actual work. ;)