Luka Doncic (the 'LET'S RE-LITIGATE THE PICK UNTO PERPETUITY~!' thread)
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I don't think they are asking him to be a stopper, simply for him to be adequate. I don't know if he is or isn't. I don't like Cuban or his position during the relocation saga. Nothing against the players but the team and the owner can go fly a kite.
Dallas was the perfect stop for him. Supposedly they have defensive players, the Kings? We've heard plenty about the Kings defense this year, you don't think we'd be hearing about his defense if the Kings were losing because of defense? I got a bridge to sell ya.
Dallas was the perfect stop for him. Supposedly they have defensive players, the Kings? We've heard plenty about the Kings defense this year, you don't think we'd be hearing about his defense if the Kings were losing because of defense? I got a bridge to sell ya.
Honestly, I'm not so sure about that. He's a unique enough player (ala James Harden) to be a superstar without an ounce of defense. I think he will be the type of player that you put out there regardless of any defensive liabilities, and he's still going to be far and way a net positive on the team. He's already demonstrated he can control most aspects of the game with a high usage rate.
Maybe we are splitting hairs a little bit with the term "superstar", as it is subjective. I believe strongly that he will be a multiple time first or second team all-NBA player in his career (i.e. considered to be a top 10 player). There is of course subjectivity in everything (it's still a vote of writers to get an all-nba honor), but generally speaking I think most agree with the all-nba selections as reflective of the top players in the game in any given year.
If you define "superstar" as multiple MVPs (Lebron, Curry, maybe Harden....) then OK, I completely agree that is a transcendent, all-time great level that I'm less comfortable saying Luka will reach based on current evidence (although I would not put it out of the relm of possibility).
Maybe we are splitting hairs a little bit with the term "superstar", as it is subjective. I believe strongly that he will be a multiple time first or second team all-NBA player in his career (i.e. considered to be a top 10 player). There is of course subjectivity in everything (it's still a vote of writers to get an all-nba honor), but generally speaking I think most agree with the all-nba selections as reflective of the top players in the game in any given year.
If you define "superstar" as multiple MVPs (Lebron, Curry, maybe Harden....) then OK, I completely agree that is a transcendent, all-time great level that I'm less comfortable saying Luka will reach based on current evidence (although I would not put it out of the relm of possibility).
Come on, Joshoua. Be honest. No one is allowed to post any criticism of Doncic without you (and a few others) immediately trying to turn it into something else. We're not neophytes to the world of message board debate here. You're doing the discussion of Doncic a disfavor.
Doncic has a weakness in his game - it's his defense. He needs to work on that aspect to round out his skill levels. It's not about him being a defensive stopper. It's about him not being a liability on defense.
You think it wouldn't be discussed if he was in the uniform of the Kings? Seriously? People around here will criticize a triple-double if the player commits too many fouls.
As others have said, putting Doncic up so high on that pedestal pretty much ensures people will make a point to knock him off, especially on a competing Western Conference team's board.
Doncic has a weakness in his game - it's his defense. He needs to work on that aspect to round out his skill levels. It's not about him being a defensive stopper. It's about him not being a liability on defense.
You think it wouldn't be discussed if he was in the uniform of the Kings? Seriously? People around here will criticize a triple-double if the player commits too many fouls.
As others have said, putting Doncic up so high on that pedestal pretty much ensures people will make a point to knock him off, especially on a competing Western Conference team's board.
Seriously; there's never been a sacred cow, in the history of this fandom. Not Rock, not Webb, not Divac, not Martin, not Evans, not Cousins, not Fox... not nobody. You name a star/borderline star who's ever worn a Kings jersey, and I'll introduce you to a poster(s) who is/was loudly hating on him. I assure you that Doncic would have been no different.
The closest thing that the city of Sacramento has ever had to a "universally loved" basketball star is Yolanda Griffith.
The closest thing that the city of Sacramento has ever had to a "universally loved" basketball star is Yolanda Griffith.
Fair criticism yes but to say he got 7 rebounds cause he stood in the block playing no defense is pure hate and not realistic. I don’t expect him to be a lock down defender but he’s shown that he won’t be sought out like the Cavs did curry in the finals.
Another weakness is FTs he’s got to get that together
Another weakness is FTs he’s got to get that together
I don’t think anyone disagrees his offense outweighs his defense. The question is at what level is a superstar, not in terms of popular opinion as he has already hit that point, that leads his team to a championship. To do that I don’t think his current level of defense would reach that level. It could absolutely get there if he can improve his lateral quickness.
It’s not hate, I don’t hate any player. I have spent too much time around high level sports to hate a player. In the game I watched, his sole job defensively was to stand by the low block and collect boards. To his credit he did that well. He has good hands.
But just like people should put WCS rebound total in context that he is often guarding guys on the perimeter, Luka’s should be in context that he often isn’t guarding guys on the perimeter.
But just like people should put WCS rebound total in context that he is often guarding guys on the perimeter, Luka’s should be in context that he often isn’t guarding guys on the perimeter.
Who is criticizing him? We are criticizing those in this thread that have already annointed him a superstar. If Luka himself were in this thread he would probably agree he has to improve to be a superstar. He will have to see how teams adjust to him and if he can counter those adjustments.
BTW. Your over the top hero worship extends to “he’s doing everything for this team”. He’s not. He is scoring, scoring in the clutch and rebounding on the defensive end. He is not stopping dribble penetration, fighting through screens, protecting the rim, gathering offensive rebounds. He may in the future.
BTW. Your over the top hero worship extends to “he’s doing everything for this team”. He’s not. He is scoring, scoring in the clutch and rebounding on the defensive end. He is not stopping dribble penetration, fighting through screens, protecting the rim, gathering offensive rebounds. He may in the future.
Durant sort of irked Doncic ahead of him All-Star votes
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/luka-doncic-playing-star-level-200213861.html
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/luka-doncic-playing-star-level-200213861.html
Durant sort of irked Doncic ahead of him All-Star votes https://www.yahoo.com/sports/luka-doncic-playing-star-level-200213861.html
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/luka-doncic-playing-star-level-200213861.html
I don't think he's guaranteed to be a superstar but the planets are about as aligned for it as they possibly could be for a 19 year old.
Nothing is ever really guaranteed unless you have a Tim Duncan type rookie year but there is no denying he's already impacting the game at a pretty high level. I didn't expect Dallas to be 20 and 23 with Doncic running the show.
Nothing is ever really guaranteed unless you have a Tim Duncan type rookie year but there is no denying he's already impacting the game at a pretty high level. I didn't expect Dallas to be 20 and 23 with Doncic running the show.
Barnes is hated cause he stated off as a black hole and stopped the offense. He’s moved on now and he’s more of a 3D Guy.
Jordan is another story people who back him also thought Carmelo Anthony was still good last year when he was pure garbage 2-4 years ago. DJ rarely challenges shots, plays terrible pick and roll defense when he’s locked in he’s good.
Come on man you know “he does everything” means he’s creating there offense and scoring.
Kyrie only plays defense in the playoffs as does Lebron as well just ask Cavs/laker fans. Durant is allowed to play defense cause his team is unfairly stacked he can take 80% of plays off and play defense no other star can do that.
Jordan is another story people who back him also thought Carmelo Anthony was still good last year when he was pure garbage 2-4 years ago. DJ rarely challenges shots, plays terrible pick and roll defense when he’s locked in he’s good.
Come on man you know “he does everything” means he’s creating there offense and scoring.
Kyrie only plays defense in the playoffs as does Lebron as well just ask Cavs/laker fans. Durant is allowed to play defense cause his team is unfairly stacked he can take 80% of plays off and play defense no other star can do that.
Durant sort of irked Doncic ahead of him All-Star votes https://www.yahoo.com/sports/luka-doncic-playing-star-level-200213861.html
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/luka-doncic-playing-star-level-200213861.html
Unfortunately he missed important university lessons such as "the earth is flat", hope Kyrie is gonna share his notes.
Kevin is upset because probably half of his votes are self made by many different accounts. He needs some help, come on guys.
Apparently, the Mavs are looking to dump DSJ according to Woj. I guess Doncic and DSJ can't co-exist, can they? The interesting thing for me is to see what kind of value the Mavs get for DSJ, given that it's been broadcast that the Mavs want to dump him and DSJ doesn't want to be there. Could be a fire sale, in which case that 1st rounder they used to acquire DSJ is thrown into the waste basket.
It was said the Mavs were the perfect team for Luka, and they've sure done everything possible to magnify his personal star power while minimizing whatever deficiencies he may have. It seems they'll have the only rookie on the all star team this year and he'll run away with the rookie of the year honors. At some point you have to wonder what happens to teams where the players' star shines brighter than the team. Lucky they have 7 years to figure it out, but losing the first rounder on both sides of your cornerstone is always going to make it a tougher hill to climb.
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