Luka Doncic (the 'LET'S RE-LITIGATE THE PICK UNTO PERPETUITY~!' thread)
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Very reasonable, but others seem to be more "extreme" in their opinions. You are not the most vocal of the Luka-or-bust crowd, either. I think Luka could end up being better than Bagley, but I also see Bagley improving at a very good rate and if this continues, he may end up as the best in the draft. That's why I don't get all the angst. It's like you have two delicious-looking/smelling cakes in the oven you've never tried before and two minutes into baking folks are declaring one to be the best. How about we let them finish baking first, try them, and then decide? Right now we are just getting the first "smell" of these two. Let them mature into what they will become before calling for the baker's head.
The one in the Athletic, I don't have a sub and don't know the date but that sounds right. I was able to read the article elsewhere and it seemed to make it pretty clear that it was Williams that lobbied hard for Bagley and also pretty sure it specifically mentioned his connection to Matina.
Which even without the article, I think an astute observer could figure out. Why else would Williams be pushing so hard for Bagley to play at the expense of possibly winning games right now unless he staked his reputation on that draft?
Which even without the article, I think an astute observer could figure out. Why else would Williams be pushing so hard for Bagley to play at the expense of possibly winning games right now unless he staked his reputation on that draft?
Bro, I hate to call you out on this, but I haven’t seen anything anywhere about Bagley being a Williams decision. I just read Amicks article again on this situation, and that wasn’t stated. I’d love someone to show me otherwise.
Talk about personal agendas? Some agendas may be to purposefully protect Vlade. Why?
Yes, the initial Haynes article spoke about the disconnect between coach and FO on Bagley’s minutes, but it also mentioned Giles/Skal and spoke of it as a broader development v winning issue.
Nor IMO would it make sense that the person not in charge of the FO would have the greatest say in the draft pick
Given the fact that I wonder about Williams influence, I might speculate he was just setting the stage of discord or propaganda against Joerger to possibly bring his own guy in eventually. But that’s just a possibility
Talk about personal agendas? Some agendas may be to purposefully protect Vlade. Why?
Yes, the initial Haynes article spoke about the disconnect between coach and FO on Bagley’s minutes, but it also mentioned Giles/Skal and spoke of it as a broader development v winning issue.
Nor IMO would it make sense that the person not in charge of the FO would have the greatest say in the draft pick
Given the fact that I wonder about Williams influence, I might speculate he was just setting the stage of discord or propaganda against Joerger to possibly bring his own guy in eventually. But that’s just a possibility
i cannot remember everything exactly but the Duke's game that they went to was mentioned as leaving an impression (which Vlade has mentioned himself in the post draft interview) and also Bagley's potential
(edit: not that they based their decision on that one game but that they started following after seeing him live...)
(edit: not that they based their decision on that one game but that they started following after seeing him live...)
here, i actually found it, you can start at 30:40 and in few seconds there is about 2 minutes talking about the draft choice (as part of the larger discussion about Vlade potentially being overruled): https://omny.fm/shows/the-drive-with-carmichael-dave/11-30-18-the-drive-with-carmichael-dave-hour-2
How do you know that? You don't. DJ is performing strikingly similar to the past 5 years in LA when he achieved that reputation.
You saying it isn't true doesn't make it so. You have a Luka agenda, understandably so, and are seeing what you want to see.
I'm not saying it's all DJ. I'm not even saying DJ is the exact same player he was in the LA the past 5 years. But he's been close. And he's having as much of an impact on that team as Luka. As is the rest of the starting lineup. But having that anchor in the middle gobbling up rebounds and providing help defense (even if the blocks are down) has been huge for that team.
That's all I'm saying.
I wanted Luka too. But let's not make more out of his impact than it really has been. He's had a lot of support to help him be as great as he's been this far.
You saying it isn't true doesn't make it so. You have a Luka agenda, understandably so, and are seeing what you want to see.
I'm not saying it's all DJ. I'm not even saying DJ is the exact same player he was in the LA the past 5 years. But he's been close. And he's having as much of an impact on that team as Luka. As is the rest of the starting lineup. But having that anchor in the middle gobbling up rebounds and providing help defense (even if the blocks are down) has been huge for that team.
That's all I'm saying.
I wanted Luka too. But let's not make more out of his impact than it really has been. He's had a lot of support to help him be as great as he's been this far.
I don't think it should be controversial at all to say the Kings blew it. It isn't that MB3 won't be a serviceable player, it is that they severely misjudged who would be more NBA ready and who has the biggest upside. It appears Luka is going to be among the future perennial all stars at this rate, and MG3 will be the fringe big who makes the "honorable mention" lists.
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