Looks like Reke has a shooting coach?
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T4L3NT3D530
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your feet are supposed to be offset on a free throw... shoulders square. sorry if i missed sarcasm.
The Hammer
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Yes, one of the reasons he hasn't developed a consistent shot as of yet is his insane ability to get to the basket... but another thing, and this is a legit reason I believe, is his arms are just so damn long. Makes for a larger mechanical motion where more can go wrong. I remember when I was a kid (10-12), I could absolutely shoot the lights out from anywhere within 18 feet. I once hit 32 in a row from 16 feet on the baseline. Maybe it was because my arms had a fairly compact motion. Either that or I was the basketball baby Jesus.
Letsgokings13
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Yeah same here...
Bballkingsrock
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I can name a couple pretty good shooters who also have extremely long hands:
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
LaMarcus Aldridge can shoot 18 footers consistently
Paul George
Rudy Gay
Form doesn't look too good to me there, looks to be leaning back as usual. Knees out in front, followed by the hips further back, then the chest behind that in a / line. Same thing we see when he takes a jump shot. That lower body positioning makes him rotate back as he elevates in addition to fading away from defenders.
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The Hammer
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Guess I was the basketball baby Jesus then.
rhythmless
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James Harden comes within a half inch of tyrekes wingspan, same height, same hops, etc., but Harden can shoot the lights out. Long arms are no excuse. There is no mechanical reason why he can't shoot. It's just him. Unless he has a larger than life head where it gets in the way of the ball or something...
Mass
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I believe that one of the main reasons he has not developed a good jump shot yet, is that he has been working on it just for the last 2 or 3 years. He's always been a beast physically, so he's never felt the need to work on his jumper when he was a kid. He could get to the basket at will, so shooting was not his focus.
In the NBA it's a different story. After the first year, people started to figure out how to guard him and suddenly it became hard getting to the basket. Developing a good jump shot takes time. I'm sure he is working on it. I can see it at the beginning of the games, when he is not tired and he thinks about what he is doing. In those cases, you can see a good structure of his jumper, he doesn't lean back too much, and usually he hits those shots with a good %. But then, when the games go on and he gets tired, he seems to forget how to shoot. He keeps leaning back, and he can't hit his shots. Why? Because shooting without leaning back is not natural for him right now. It's not automatic, so when he doesn't think about it, he goes back to his style of shooting.
This is where he needs to improve. He needs to practice a lot, work on that jumper, and sooner or later it will be automatic. Once it gets automatic, you will see an improvements in his %.
A lot of players where terrible shooters at the beginning of their careers, and they got a lot better with time. Jason Kidd, Tony Parker, Lebron James. If he keeps working on it, he will be fine. He doesn't need to become a 3pts shooters. If he can hit 18-20 ft jumpers a la Tony Parker, he will be fine.
In the NBA it's a different story. After the first year, people started to figure out how to guard him and suddenly it became hard getting to the basket. Developing a good jump shot takes time. I'm sure he is working on it. I can see it at the beginning of the games, when he is not tired and he thinks about what he is doing. In those cases, you can see a good structure of his jumper, he doesn't lean back too much, and usually he hits those shots with a good %. But then, when the games go on and he gets tired, he seems to forget how to shoot. He keeps leaning back, and he can't hit his shots. Why? Because shooting without leaning back is not natural for him right now. It's not automatic, so when he doesn't think about it, he goes back to his style of shooting.
This is where he needs to improve. He needs to practice a lot, work on that jumper, and sooner or later it will be automatic. Once it gets automatic, you will see an improvements in his %.
A lot of players where terrible shooters at the beginning of their careers, and they got a lot better with time. Jason Kidd, Tony Parker, Lebron James. If he keeps working on it, he will be fine. He doesn't need to become a 3pts shooters. If he can hit 18-20 ft jumpers a la Tony Parker, he will be fine.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I think this really is the largest reason.
Same reason Shaq never developed a faceup jumper. Why would he ever have to?
But now I'm hoping that maybe Reke can manufacture some desperation this summer of a career turning point nature. Is he going to be Iggy or Pierce? Hell, wouldn't even mind it if it were of a contract push nature. Just whatever motivation it takes to push "get a jumper" from the list of wants to the list of 'gotta dos".
The Hammer
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It's kind of hard for me to understand players who can't shoot. I mean I get it, not everyone is going to be a Peja/Ray Allen/Stever Kerr type. But shooting is really one of the easiest skills to master. And frankly, I've never really bought into the whole good form thing. You just have to 1) have a decently high release point to not get it blocked all the time and 2) just shoot over and over and over and over. It's so damn simple. You just shoot like 2500 times a day. Just go to the gym and shoot hoops for like 4-6 hours a day for like 2-3 months. You want a shooting coach? There, I just coached your shooting. I mean you don't even have to go that hard. You could, at some point, in order to practice tired. But that's not the main point. The point is just keep shooting until you can hit threes with a blindfold. It's not tactically challenging. Just keep shooting. Am I missing anything here???
I always loved to break into my h.s. gym, grab a couple good balls, and hit shot after shot.
Mass
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I agree with you. This is basically what I do and what I've done in the past to improve my shooting. Keep practicing, if I was an NBA player with this problem, I would spend the entire summer working 8 hrs a day on my jump shot.
I believe that at this level a shooting coach might be helpful to correct your mistakes. If you keep shooting but you always make the same mistakes, you need someone to show you how to correct what you are doing wrong. But again, not everybody can be Allan Houston o Ray Allen. You can be a great shooter even if your style of shooting is not perfect. Look at Reggie Miller. He had a strange mechanic, but it worked.
The Hammer
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Bird had horrible form. Basically heaved it at the hoop with two hands like a friggin Indiana pumpkin toss. Greatest shooter ever.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Desperation is the right word. From the pre-game interview that I saw with B. Jackson it didn't seem like Tyreke was close to desperation in his work ethic. That's why Bobby had a little talk with him about wanting to be great. Tyreke, of course, said that he wanted to be great. So now it's put up or shut up time for Tyreke. Here's hoping he's a desperado this summer.
That Iggy and Pierce comparison is telling. Freudian slip? They both play the three.
By the way, shooting form is important for guys who can't shoot. Some guys like Bird can break the rules because of natural touch and the repetition. Others like Tyreke have no chance in hell of becoming a good shooter without form AND repetition. Instead of playing a lot this summer, Tyreke needs to work on his jump shot. Hours and hours. He shouldn't get tired and practice lousy form on his jump shot. He should practice on his jump shot before he loses his form, then run independently of working on his jump shot. Maybe at the end of the summer he can then do both. It doesn't take a genius to get better; just some instruction in basic form, having some common sense, and working tirelessly on it.
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Umm don't know about you but I usually line up my right foot (as a right hander) with the basket, so it's right foot forward. At the end of the day, the main thing is that the shot goes in. Tyreke doesn't have much problems at the FT line so I don't think we should be wasting our time debating whether his FT form is good or not hahah..
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Spot on. Both this year and last he came in with much improved shooting. How quick we are to forget the several reports over the offseason about his improved jumpshot. It was way way better than it is now. Like many others have said, what is needed is more repetition until it becomes natural and automatic for him. If I were him I would also focus on game shots, and that's where it's very important that Smart or whoever it is makes it clear what his role is going to be in the long term. If he's going to be an SF, then he has to work more on his 3 point shooting from the 45 degree angles and the corners. If he's going to be an SG, more mid-range especially around the elbows. As a PG, focus should be on shots from the top of the key more than the baseline.
Shooting coach is a Keith Veney:
http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/03/16/tyreke-evans-hires-shooting-coach/#more-11122
http://www.cowbellkingdom.com/2012/03/16/tyreke-evans-hires-shooting-coach/#more-11122
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Kingsguy881
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If you're left handed that is correct. If you are right handed, its completely wrong. Every free throw shooter you will see that hits a high percentage and is right handed will toe the line with their right foot and have the left foot back about 6 inches or sometimes more.
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Kingsguy881
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Not sure if serious or joking but if serious might I suggest 'Basketball for Dummies'.
gatoradeSD
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im happy
ElRey
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Cred = lost.
rainmaker
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Because you need someone there correcting your form AS you're shooting. Youtube doesn't do that, that I'm aware of.
As for the split stance, of course Reke's right foot should be in front. And not just on FT's, but jumpers as well. If he was left handed it'd be the reverse. The kicking the leg is a separate issue which I think is partly from not creating enough space. If he creates more separation he might not feel the need to fade, which in itself is usually to create separation.
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