Lets talk about past drafts.

[Gary]

2003 - Remember back in 2003 when we didn't have a pick? Memphis had ours, and they took Kendrick Perkins. Do you think Petrie would have taken Josh Howard? I have a feeling that Howard is the type of player Petrie would have been drooling over late in the 1st round. A swing that can play SG/SF.

2004 - Quite a few players taken before K-Mart (who was considered the best SG prospect by many in the draft). Christie was on the downward spiral so why not take a SG that kind of looks like a younger version of Christie? Petrie got the best available player, and turns out he was right. K-Mart was probably best available at about #3. If this draft was a do-over You would see Howard #1, Jefferson #2, K-Mart #3. Okafor just hasn't gotten better since he has been in the league, but he would be a top 7 with Iguodala, Deng, and Gordon on that list.

2005 - One of the weakest drafts in the new century. You have two great PGs come out though in Paul, and D. Williams. Again Petrie picks best available who is another SG/SF player who has some PG skills. Funny thing is that If this draft was done over again Garcia would probably be top ten. But I would place two players that were drafted behind Garcia ahead of him. Ellis, and Lee. In no particular order the top ten players in 2005 draft are Paul, D. Williams, M. Williams, Ellis, Lee, Bogut, Webster, Bynum, Garcia, Felton.. OK, maybe Garcia should be about #11-#15. There might be a couple players I left off that are better than Garcia

2006 - Quincy Douby. Not sure why Petrie drafted the undersized SG. Trying to bring back BJax? We could have used Marcus Williams, Mardy Collins, Josh Boone, and Sergio Rodriguez... Hell, even Balkman.. Ok maybe not Balkman. Actually the only player I probably would have taken is Marcus Williams. Collins played well at the end of the year, but has done nothing since. Boone cannot hit a FT to save his life... 28% LOL!! OK.. Rodriguez too.. I can't see Petrie giving an extension to Douby after his 3 years are up.

 

[BMiller52]

I'm confused, you're praising Petrie's draft picks but you're on the fire Petrie bandwagon??? Sorry bro that doesn't make any sense

 

[Packt]

Kevin was definitely a steal in 04, but I think the bigs would probably be picked ahead of him (Howard, Okafor, Jefferson). Okafor is injury prone, but it's hard to dismiss the double doubles. Then you have Deng, Iggy, and Josh Smith. Even Biedrins has turned out to be a decent pick. Martin would be top seven if teams could do over.

In 03, he Might've picked Howard, Walton, Korver, James Jones, or Barbosa. Those guys are Petrie guys, imo.

05 I wanted a big, but was not a fan of Lee or Maxiell. I was more thinking along the lines of Taft, who's not even in the league anymore. Shame on me. Garcia is a decent pick in hindsight, he could've done a lot worse. I think Salim Stoudemire would've had more impact that first year though.

06, Rondo or Marcus Williams would better compliment Kevin Martin than Douby.

 

[Gary]

I'm confused, you're praising Petrie's draft picks but you're on the fire Petrie bandwagon??? Sorry bro that doesn't make any sense

Oh yah.. Totally. Petrie has a decent draft history, but I am not liking his "stand still" approach to trades to improve this team, rebuild this team, or constantly spending the money on multi-year deals for average players.

Other than that he's fine.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

2003 - Remember back in 2003 when we didn't have a pick? Memphis had ours, and they took Kendrick Perkins. Do you think Petrie would have taken Josh Howard? I have a feeling that Howard is the type of player Petrie would have been drooling over late in the 1st round. A swing that can play SG/SF.

2004 - Quite a few players taken before K-Mart (who was considered the best SG prospect by many in the draft). Christie was on the downward spiral so why not take a SG that kind of looks like a younger version of Christie? Petrie got the best available player, and turns out he was right. K-Mart was probably best available at about #3. If this draft was a do-over You would see Howard #1, Jefferson #2, K-Mart #3. Okafor just hasn't gotten better since he has been in the league, but he would be a top 7 with Iguodala, Deng, and Gordon on that list.

2005 - One of the weakest drafts in the new century. You have two great PGs come out though in Paul, and D. Williams. Again Petrie picks best available who is another SG/SF player who has some PG skills. Funny thing is that If this draft was done over again Garcia would probably be top ten. But I would place two players that were drafted behind Garcia ahead of him. Ellis, and Lee. In no particular order the top ten players in 2005 draft are Paul, D. Williams, M. Williams, Ellis, Lee, Bogut, Webster, Bynum, Garcia, Felton.. OK, maybe Garcia should be about #11-#15. There might be a couple players I left off that are better than Garcia

2006 - Quincy Douby. Not sure why Petrie drafted the undersized SG. Trying to bring back BJax? We could have used Marcus Williams, Mardy Collins, Josh Boone, and Sergio Rodriguez... Hell, even Balkman.. Ok maybe not Balkman. Actually the only player I probably would have taken is Marcus Williams. Collins played well at the end of the year, but has done nothing since. Boone cannot hit a FT to save his life... 28% LOL!! OK.. Rodriguez too.. I can't see Petrie giving an extension to Douby after his 3 years are up.

napear said petrie wanted josh howard and marquis daniels that year. they didn't have a pick to get either of them.

 

[AriesMar27]

douby was a waste... we could have had sergio, marcus williams, rondo or farmar....

 

[dude12]

06, Rondo or Marcus Williams would better compliment Kevin Martin than Douby.

Rondo is not that good. Can't shoot and when you get down to it, he doesn't distribute. He does play good defense and rebounds well for a PG, but if you put him on the Kings, he would get exposed for what he is, a 2nd rate PG. Marcus Williams will be an average PG. Now I'm not saying that they are not better pure points than Douby but Douby is a combo guard in the Bobby Jax-role and he still may end up being better than those guys.

 

[EatMoreChicken]

Nice thread. I agree, Douby was a wasted pick. I don't see that guy contributing to the team. Maurus Williams would have solved our PG problem and Bibby would have been truly expendable.

Otherwise, Petrie has done fairly well at picking value at the SG/SF position. I just wish he'd go beyond the "best BB player" and pick players that would help the team, ie a C or PF.

In 2005, Garcia was a nice p/u, but was it necessary was Martin on the team? Why not get a PF. Trade down and get David Lee or something.

In 2004, Petrie found the gem in the draft w/ KMartin. But he's a good complementary player, but I don't think you build a team around him.

In 2003, no way Petrie drafts Perkins. We would have had another SG/SF, when its obviously not our need.

In 2002, drafting Boozer would have been nice. But a lot of teams missed on that one.

In 2001, Wallace was another gem that Petrie found.

All in all, Petrie's great at drafting players w/ great overall bb talent, namely SG/SF. But he's a complete failure at evaluating talent for the low post. One team that makes the rest of the league look foolish is San Antonio. If you look at what they do every year w/ their low picks, its truly amazing. Just on our team, we have two SA picks in Salmons and Beno. They also picked Barbosa and Scola.

 

[Glenn]

Otherwise, Petrie has done fairly well at picking value at the SG/SF position. I just wish he'd go beyond the "best BB player" and pick players that would help the team, ie a C or PF.

Hawes?

 

[EatMoreChicken]

Hawes?

I'd hardly call Hawes your typical post player. Doesn't your stomach turn every time he launches a three?

 

[dude12]

I'd hardly call Hawes your typical post player. Doesn't your stomach turn every time he launches a three?

Actually it doesn't....I see a guy that in 3 years will be considered one of the top young centers in the NBA....as long as he works on his body and gets stronger. He has post moves but just has a hard time holding his spot in the post right now. Have some patience.

 

[Kingzrool]

I like Douby and still think that he will end up being a better player in this league than Garcia.

Yes GP has a good record in the draft (some may say that could be an argument against tanking - as GP still has a good chance at selecting a decent player with a lower pick).

And as far as trading, it is important to understand that you can not force other GMs to make a trade. I really do not blame Geoff for the lack of strong trades recently - I'll reconsider if you can provide an example of a good trade that was really on the table and GP declined. I think he is still watched by other GMs, if he wants the player, they reconsider his value. GP has been active in shopping our players, hell anybody that pays attention knows that Bibby and Artest have been up for grabs. Most of the players on this team still have value and patience will have a better result than a fire sale IMO.

 

[kingsfan101]

2006 - Quincy Douby. Not sure why Petrie drafted the undersized SG. Trying to bring back BJax? We could have used Marcus Williams, Mardy Collins, Josh Boone, and Sergio Rodriguez... Hell, even Balkman.. Ok maybe not Balkman. Actually the only player I probably would have taken is Marcus Williams. Collins played well at the end of the year, but has done nothing since. Boone cannot hit a FT to save his life... 28% LOL!! OK.. Rodriguez too.. I can't see Petrie giving an extension to Douby after his 3 years are up.

Didn't Utah pick Paul Millsap in the second round of 2006?

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Didn't Utah pick Paul Millsap in the second round of 2006?

Yep, and the Wolves got Craig Smith in the second round as well.

 

[Packt]

Rondo is not that good. Can't shoot and when you get down to it, he doesn't distribute. He does play good defense and rebounds well for a PG, but if you put him on the Kings, he would get exposed for what he is, a 2nd rate PG. Marcus Williams will be an average PG. Now I'm not saying that they are not better pure points than Douby but Douby is a combo guard in the Bobby Jax-role and he still may end up being better than those guys.

I'll take the defensive minded PG averaging 5 assists over the back-up combo guard. So long as Martin is here, the Bobby Jackson role player isn't needed. Bobby worked largely because of Christie's lack of offense and ability to set the offense. Even if Rondo and Williams end up as average PGs, thats still better for the team moving forward than a back-up combo-guard.

 

[kingsfan101]

Yep, and the Wolves got Craig Smith in the second round as well.

Haven't been following Sota or Smith much, but Millsap is a beast and plays a position we needed most help at. That was a bad miss. Guess it's always easy to be wise with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[hrdboild]

Haven't been following Sota or Smith much, but Millsap is a beast and plays a position we needed most help at. That was a bad miss. Guess it's always easy to be wise with the benefit of hindsight.

That's where Petrie's drafting strategy leaves him open for criticism. You could just look at the players he's drafted and say that he's gotten relatively good value out of those picks, and I think you'd be right, but then you look at the misses and you can see that he does recognize talent when he sees it, but he tends to gravitate towards certain types of players sometimes to the detriment of the team. Like Francisco Garcia for instance, a whole handful of us saw that pick coming a mile away. He just screamed "Geoff Petrie pick". And it's not that it was a bad pick, but if you look at the guys that were picked after that who've been comparatively succesful in the NBA so far -- Jason Maxiell, David Lee, Ronny Turiaf, Andray Blatche, Ryan Gomes -- a pattern emerges. They're hard nosed players who use their strength to get rebounds and score down low. Then in the 2006 draft we passed on Craig Smith and Paul Milsap (not to mention a whole fleet of quality point guards which would have filled a need) and some other guys like Alexander Johnson and Joel Freeland who haven't done much yet but are similar players who might be developed. It's not just a coincidence that the Kings most glaring weakness right now is a strong PF who rebounds well for their position and can score near the basket. Petrie likes shooters. He likes guys who can pass. He likes skinny quick guys who play team basketball. The whole strength aspect of the sport which some teams like Detroit and Utah and Los Angeles look for and cultivate consistently is conspicuosly missing on all of Petrie's Kings teams.

Last year he goes for the jumpshooting finesse center (who many did consider the best player available) when we already start an aging jumpshooting finesse C alongside a weak non-rebounding (and injury prone) finesse PF in our frontcourt. Now granted Brad has returned to his All-Star form recently, Shareef has been replaced with Mikki Moore since then, and Hawes has a post game, but it's still typical Petrie. Who else could we have got? Sean Williams had a 10 block game recently for New Jersey. Tiago Splitter looked good in the tournament this summer for Brazil. Glen Davis killed us when we played Boston and he's been putting up respectable numbers in limited minutes all season. Chris Richard in Minnesota could be a solid rotation guy. Dominic McGuire in Washington, Al Thornton, Julian Wright. Those are all players we could have developed but chose not to.

I'm not saying Petrie makes bad choices or that he doesn't recognize talent when he sees it, but he does make safe choices which reflect the style of basketball he prefers. If you look at what Joe Dumars has done in Detroit, there's an example of another good GM making choices based on a totally different philosophy and you can see where he's succeeded and failed (remember Darko?) and the completely different way they play. I think as Kings fans we're going to have to accept that the Craig Smiths and Paul Milsaps and Jason Maxiells and David Lees of the NBA are going to play for other teams, even if they would really fill a need for us. We've got our jumpshooters and other teams have their rebounders. What Petrie doesn't seem to realize to his detriment is that the best jumpshooters miss 50% of the time and the difference between winning and losing often comes down to who grabs the majority of those rebounds.

 

[Glenn]

This is the first time I have seen Petrie's picks compared with players who have not turned out well on other teams to show how bad Petrie is.

 

[EatMoreChicken]

Well put hrdboild. Petrie constantly goes back to his comfort zone SG/SF player and rarely takes a chances on players that complement what we already have. If he drafts another swingman this year, he should be fired.

 

[Glenn]

Well put hrdboild. Petrie constantly goes back to his comfort zone SG/SF player and rarely takes a chances on players that complement what we already have. If he drafts another swingman this year, he should be fired.

Even if he's the next Jordan?

 

[dude12]

Quality big men are just not available that late in the draft where we have been picking. I guess if you go back through the last 5 years worth of drafts and pick out the big men that teams missed, what was it about 3 or 4 guys, then gosh dang Petrie.......

We get a pick this year that allows us to grab a very nice 19 year old center who is going to be a solid NBA pro, maybe more, and its not good enough. Yet I read that we could have taken these stiffs: Chris Richard, Glenn Davis, Tiago Splitter, Dominic McGuire....WTF!!

 

[EatMoreChicken]

Even if he's the next Jordan?

I know someone would say that. But yeah, he gets canned. You put Jordan on this team and we win 40 games at best. The great Bulls teams had Grant and Rodman, while not superstars they played an integral role in their championship runs by providing interior defense and rebounding.

What the team needs is post players and interior defense, but Petrie seems reluctant to draft/trade/sign these players for whatever reason. If Petrie's rolling the dice on the "next Jordan" than he's not doing what the Maloofs pay him for, which is build a team.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Nice thread. I agree, Douby was a wasted pick. I don't see that guy contributing to the team. Maurus Williams would have solved our PG problem and Bibby would have been truly expendable.

Otherwise, Petrie has done fairly well at picking value at the SG/SF position. I just wish he'd go beyond the "best BB player" and pick players that would help the team, ie a C or PF.

In 2005, Garcia was a nice p/u, but was it necessary was Martin on the team? Why not get a PF. Trade down and get David Lee or something.

In 2004, Petrie found the gem in the draft w/ KMartin. But he's a good complementary player, but I don't think you build a team around him.

In 2003, no way Petrie drafts Perkins. We would have had another SG/SF, when its obviously not our need.

In 2002, drafting Boozer would have been nice. But a lot of teams missed on that one.

In 2001, Wallace was another gem that Petrie found.

All in all, Petrie's great at drafting players w/ great overall bb talent, namely SG/SF. But he's a complete failure at evaluating talent for the low post. One team that makes the rest of the league look foolish is San Antonio. If you look at what they do every year w/ their low picks, its truly amazing. Just on our team, we have two SA picks in Salmons and Beno. They also picked Barbosa and Scola.

2k1 supposedly petrie promised to pick gilbert arenas.. now thats one hell of a pick up if that were to happen.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

I'll take the defensive minded PG averaging 5 assists over the back-up combo guard. So long as Martin is here, the Bobby Jackson role player isn't needed. Bobby worked largely because of Christie's lack of offense and ability to set the offense. Even if Rondo and Williams end up as average PGs, thats still better for the team moving forward than a back-up combo-guard.

are you referring to douby?

 

[Gary]

Didn't Utah pick Paul Millsap in the second round of 2006?

Millsap would have been nice, but I couldn't get past him being 6'7. I am still not sure whether or not he will become something other than a backup, but he does play well when Boozer is hurt.

 

[Glenn]

I know someone would say that. But yeah, he gets canned. You put Jordan on this team and we win 40 games at best. The great Bulls teams had Grant and Rodman, while not superstars they played an integral role in their championship runs by providing interior defense and rebounding.

What the team needs is post players and interior defense, but Petrie seems reluctant to draft/trade/sign these players for whatever reason. If Petrie's rolling the dice on the "next Jordan" than he's not doing what the Maloofs pay him for, which is build a team.

And of course I didn't say he should wait for the next Jordan, did I?

Big skilled men are at a premium. SG and SF are a dime a dozen. Even PGs aren't that difficult to find. It's the bigs that are hard to find. How many genuine centers are there in the NBA?

It may simply be that bigs are not available and it's not anyone's fault.

 

[ParniValjak]

When it comes to drafting and people bagging GP for not drafting a big with some of the picks, I think thats a bit rich.

Firstly lets have a look at how many bigs actually amount to being genuine starters in this league that Petrie overlooked with a late first round pick?! Off the top of my head, I can only think of Boozer.

Fact is that bigs selected that late in the first round very rarely amount to being good players, let alone starters in this league. Petrie tries to maximize the value he can get out of his pick and quite often that is a swingman.

Petrie hasn't exactly had great picks to work with in the last few years and what he was able to get from those picks is pretty good. If given a chance to draft a big, he will do it as he showed this year with Hawes.

Drafting is only part of the equation for building a successful team. What Petrie is trying to do with these late picks is get some talent onto the roster and then trade for needs. Sometimes thats easier said than done. The only question mark I would have over Petrie's picks of late is selection of Douby when some solid pure PGs with potential were still on the board.

 

[Gary]

I'd hardly call Hawes your typical post player. Doesn't your stomach turn every time he launches a three?

Not at all because he has a sweet stroke.. BUT I feel that if we have no post player on the floor than Hawes should not be sitting out at 3pt land.

I think he will settle down when he gets more time. It's almost like he is tryign to do the most he can w/ his 7 minutes a night.

Here is an interesting stat on Hawes.. When given 10+ minutes a game Hawes was averaging like 6pt 4rbds a game or something close to it. I think there were 7 games, and the average of all 7 games over 10 minutes was about 12-13 or so. Not bad for 13 minutes.

Petrie gambled this year when he could have just as easily picked Thorton. I think it will pay off in a few years.

 

[syadap]

2k1 supposedly petrie promised to pick gilbert arenas.. now thats one hell of a pick up if that were to happen.

And the same thing will still happen and that means that pick would not see alot of minutes to showcase his talent...

 

[beb0p]

I don't buy that Petrie prefers SG/SF shooters. If that's the case, he'd have drafted Paul Pierce instead of JWill, Hassell instead of Gerald Wallace, and Al Thornton instead of Hawes. Although in hindsight, maybe he should have drafted Pierce instead of JWill, but the point is, Petrie's only preference seems to be best player available.

Paul Millsap and Craig Smith at best are backups on good teams and borderline starters on bad teams, that's all they are. Cisco is going to be more useful than those undersized PFs when it's all said and done. I'd prefer David Lee to Cisco, but that's only in hindsight. In 2005, Lee was lucky to even be drafted in the first round. Really, Boozer and Lee were the only bigs in the past decade that slipped past Petrie. That's not bad considering the talent that we got from where we drafted.

Douby is the only pick that I questioned. Because it's a gamble everytime you try to convert an undersized SG to PG, but that 2006 draft was so weak that maybe that was the time to gamble.

And speaking of the 2003 draft. Petrie traded our first round pick for... Nick Anderson!! It's in my mind the worse move GP ever made. If he had kept that pick, Josh Howard is a King. There's no doubt in my mind that JH would have been our pick.