Lakers Acquire Steve Nash
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So many people in denial here. Of course a 2 time MVP, multiple allstar, one of top pg in the league helps out the Lakers. Age doesnt matter, him at 38 or whatever is still better than what we have in their early 20s. This move either keeps them as competative as last year or makes them better. Most of you hate this move are just trying to convince yourselves that this makes the Lakers worse, but I bet a high percentage of Lakers fans love the move. All we do is make up reasons not to take top tier players on this team (Nash/Parker/Melo/even lebron/Kobe) even tho they are better than everyone on our team not named cousins. So keep making up your reasons not to take all stars if it makes you sleep better at night during our dreaded off season which normally starts after the all star game if not sooner.
PS the only real/acceptable argument why we shouldn't get players of this caliber...we have broke @$$ owners and these players don't accept IOUs
PS the only real/acceptable argument why we shouldn't get players of this caliber...we have broke @$$ owners and these players don't accept IOUs
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Trippin. Yeah, Nash at 39 is an all star. Yes, he is 39. The only time you make a play for a 39 year old past AS is if your team is composed of aging veterans and you want to make one last push at a ring. AND NO WAY IN HELL STEVE NASH WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED COMING TO SACRAMENTO so please get off the wagon.
Never said I wanted Nash specifically. I'm just tired of people thinking the kings are this great team that no one is good enough to play for. All you do is pick out their flaws and look towards the draft, but you know what? The draft doesn't always work out. If you actually read what I wrote, you can see my points were Nash keeps the Lakers competative, and the bottom dweller of the league kings are in no position to think allstars arent good enough for this team. Never said we should go after Nash or that he even considered us.
Well, perhaps under the same contract there's no way he would have. But offer him $15mil/year for 3 years and you know he'd sign that contract and talk about how he looks forward to providing veteran leadership to a young team. I'm not saying we should have gone after him, or offered him that kind of crazy $$$ ... but you can't say "never".
Every good team "overspends". We don't. $$$ talks, we're not willing to spend it. End result: no quality FA's come here.
Every good team "overspends". We don't. $$$ talks, we're not willing to spend it. End result: no quality FA's come here.
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Not a single person even those on the Kool Aid think this team is a 'great team'. But being in a small market without a lot of money to spend negates the possibility of bringing in over the hill talent at a premium (John Salmons). Otherwise you get burned like the Kings did trying to bring in SAR and remain competitive.
And that was with a far better coach in place. The second they lose a game by more than 10 points, people are going to start calling for everyone's head but Kobe's (because for some reason he is immune to criticism) and the wheels just may fall off the bus. Let's not forget that in addition to having two ball-dominant aging guards, they have an aging big man who people are quick to blame anytime anything with the Lakers goes wrong (Pau), a certified psychopath who nearly decapitated a guy a year after changing his name to Worldpeace, and Andrew Bynum, a guy who is demanding a bigger role in an offense that is probably going to have to focus more upon the guards. Add in the fact that they have a bench that features, aside from Blake and Goudelock, such stalwarts as Eyenga and Josh McRoberts and a couple of low-pick rookies (Sessions, Hill, Ebanks, Barnes, and Murphy are all free agents and the Lakers are pretty much all capped out), and things aren't as golden as some of the posters on here would like you to believe.
I hate to say it but Nash will make the Lakers better. Compared to what they had with Sessions, Nash can still penetrate, run the pick-n-roll (Gortat played great with Nash), can make others better (ie. Jared Dudley, Fry played better with Nash) and still hit efficiently outside (3 pointers and jumpers). If they play according to Nash's style of play they will be really good. But if they play like when Shaq joined the Suns where the ball movement stops and Kobe starts to dominate (not dominant 
) the ball then this Nash-Lakers pairing won't be really good. I'm just worried with Nash now with the Lakers, Dwight may be enticed to join them now. Oh well...we'll see.
) the ball then this Nash-Lakers pairing won't be really good. I'm just worried with Nash now with the Lakers, Dwight may be enticed to join them now. Oh well...we'll see.We should stop worrying so much about what the Lakers are doing and worry more about our own team. Both the Spurs and the Lakers have been touted as declining, lacking depth etc, but all this time they've made it deep into the playoffs year after year while we are coming close to having a playoff drought that matches are streak of making the playoffs.
If 3-4 years from now the Lakers are still better than us with a 41 year old Nash and slowed down Kobe I really don't know what to say.
If 3-4 years from now the Lakers are still better than us with a 41 year old Nash and slowed down Kobe I really don't know what to say.
Funny. Last season Nash at 38 shot 53% from the field, 39% from 3, led the league in assists, and was a significant reason why PHX overachieved last year. Nobody is saying they are guaranteed a ring, but are they much better than last year? Yes.
Also, yes.. Nash actually has been extremely loyal. He never said a word about wanting to leave even when it became apparent PHX had no chance at a ring. He played out his full contract without a peep. And now, as a free agent he chose a place that gives him a starting role, is a legitimate contender, offered him the second most money, will be only an hours flight away from his family, and you say he has no pride? Not to mention PHX had no serious intention of resigning him? Easy to judge from your armchair.
I don't see how anybody could hate on Nash. He's been a class act his entire career.
That pick up is nothing but good. LA overachieved last season in both the RS and in the playoffs, which I can't say for the 2011 Jackson squad. Their major faults were shoddy offense (some bad streaks that dated back to the MPLS era), Kobe being the guy tasked w/ maximizing the skilled-height disparity LA supposedly has -- and Kobe doesn't like doing that to say the least. Also, game management at the end of close games, which was bad literally all season and in two of their late losses in the OKC series. If Nash had the ball at the ends of Gm 3 and Gm 5 of that series, the Lakers probably win both. Simple as that.
I'd like him to be younger than 38, obviously, but his game never centered around either athleticism or defense. He's there to pass, shoot, and close out games. He's better at those 3 items right now than Kobe is at age 34 (his hands are munged, resulting in bake sales for all the turnovers).
I'd like him to be younger than 38, obviously, but his game never centered around either athleticism or defense. He's there to pass, shoot, and close out games. He's better at those 3 items right now than Kobe is at age 34 (his hands are munged, resulting in bake sales for all the turnovers).
Ironically, your fave Cuban is the party responsible for giving the Lakers the trade exception to offer Phx. He gets the Odom that melted down like Fukushima and has to get rid of him at cost. Then Kidd leaves and now he can't go after Nash (whom he originally lost years ago by ponderously being a hardass w/ his contract offer).
Mark, Mark, Mark...
How's it goin, btw, VF21? Only my 2nd visit in 15 months.
Mark, Mark, Mark...
How's it goin, btw, VF21? Only my 2nd visit in 15 months.
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OMG! A Gargamel sighting!! Very glad to see you around!
Somewhat ironically, the idea that Mark Cuban helped shoot himself and the Mavericks in the foot by starting the whole mess actually makes me feel a little better.
Somewhat ironically, the idea that Mark Cuban helped shoot himself and the Mavericks in the foot by starting the whole mess actually makes me feel a little better.
From another board (not mine):
2002/03
Signs Raef LaFrentz to 7-yr, $70 million contract -- as I remember it, the first comically bad contract of the internet era and the first to be known as "(Player X)'s Expiring Contract". Raef averages 9 ppg and 4 rpg and is traded to Boston along with Delonte West for the similarly overpaid Antoine Walker.
2004/05
Decides that 29-yr-old Steve Nash's best days are behind him and refuses to offer Nash anything more than a 4-yr deal at $9 mill per year. When the Suns offer Nash a 6-yr max contract, Nash (best friends with Dirk) pleads with Cuban to match it, Cuban declines. Nash goes on to win two MVPs and leads the Suns to three Conference Finals appearances.
Cuban, having cited fiscal responsibility as the reason for letting Nash walk (the Mavs were paying $10+ mill each to Dirk, Antoine, Finley AND Jamison at the time), goes out 2 days later and gives Erick Dampier a 7-yr, $73 million contract, and Marquis Daniels a 6-yr, $38 million contract.
2005/06
Realises that Marquis Daniels is vastly overpaid, trades him to Indiana for the similarly overpaid Austin Croshere, who would average 3.7 ppg for the Mavericks.
2009/10
Refuses to discuss trading Rodrigue Beaubois at the trade deadline, believing he will blossom into an All-Star. Beaubois goes on to average 8 ppg and 4 rpg on 42% shooting over the next two seasons.
2011/12
Responds to winning the 2011 title by blowing the team up, allowing 4 of their top 8 players to walk in free agency. 7 yrs after signing Dampier to a $74 million contract, Cuban decides Tyson Chandler is not worth $56 million, and focuses on signing marquee free agents in the summer of 2012. Chandler goes on to win DPOY in New York and the Mavs get swept out of the 1st round.
Trades the Tyson Chandler trade exception and a 1st round pick to the Lakers for Lamar Odom. Cuban feels he got one over on the Lakers and brags about it in the media.
Lamar Odom mails it in all year without Cuban holding him publicly accountable as Cuban is scared of offending other potential signings prior to the summer of 2012.
2012/13
Tapes reality show rather than meeting with Deron Williams, loses Deron to the Nets despite all the signs of the last 6 months pointing to Deron wanting to return home.
The Mavs focus on Plan B, the signing of Steve Nash (the player Cuban decided to let go 8 yrs ago). The Lakers go ahead and trade for him with the very player exception that the Mavs used to acquire Odom. Laker fans rejoice as Mavs fans lick their wounds.
The Mavs focus on Plan C, the re-signing of Jason Kidd. The Knicks go ahead and sign him from right under their noses, leaving them with a backcourt of...nobody...and officially deeming the summers of both 2011 and 2012 as complete and utter failures for the Mavs' front office.
I'd rather have him than the Maloofs. In the end, it's all comparative and I happen to like what Marky Mark has done for the Mavericks, mistakes and all. I don't want to pick on you as it's good to have you back but after screwing up with LaFrentz, Marquis Daniels, Nash, etc., etc., they won an NBA championship. I don't understand ithe criticism unless there is a large portion of jealousy behind it.
I'm not a big Cuban fan but he admits mistakes, something Maloofs can't seem to ever do. The Dallas owner has admitted several mistakes, Nash (gigantic mistake), Odom (big screw up), Rodman (good for laugh), etc. While Cuban can sometimes be arrogant and overbearing his all out determination to succeed at business and build his Mavs franchises is very impressive - since they were the pits until he acquired the team.
The Mavericks won a championship after all those screw-ups because Cuban continues to be able to spend money. I don't think Gargamel is jealous; the Lakers have a lot more rings than the Mavs, and will be back to winning ways sooner rather than later.
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OMG. What has the world become when I'm actually siding with a Laker fan, albeit one of the few whose basketball acumen garners my respect. I think I'll bow out right here.
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OMG. What has the world become when I'm actually siding with a Laker fan, albeit one of the few whose basketball acumen garners my respect. I think I'll bow out right here.