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AriesMar27
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walton was out of bounds on the jump ball call... nba refs suck @$$... and there were 2 of them....
walton was out of bounds on the jump ball call... nba refs suck @$$... and there were 2 of them....
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
To be fair visual perception in a few seconds or less is VERY unreliable, even for traind observers. Cops laugh about the widely differt stories they get form eye witnesses all the time but what is even wilder is when you look at police reports collected seperatly form the Cops themselves. Refs are human and they see what they expect to see, what they wnat to see and sometimes what actually happens. It's just life.
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Nash13
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AriesMar27 said:
walton was out of bounds on the jump ball call... nba refs suck @$$... and there were 2 of them....
I thought the same as well:
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_8.html?nav=ArticleList
d. If the ball goes out-of-bounds and was last touched simultaneously by two opponents, both of whom are inbounds or out-of-bounds, or if the official is in doubt as to who last touched the ball, or if the officials disagree, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between the two involved players in the nearest restraining circle.
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AriesMar27
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so they can see a minor touch foul on a jump shooter but not a size 15 shoe standing on a bright purple and gold line?
KevinMartinsGirl23
Bench
What a way to lose a game. If I were a Suns fan I would be ticked off.
correct me if i am wrong: if you step out of bounds, you are out of bounds until you step in bounds and not as soon as you lift your foot (feet).
i have not seen the incident, but it is safe to say that walton is out of bounds from the moment his left foot steps on the line (out of bounds) until he places it in bounds.
i have not seen the incident, but it is safe to say that walton is out of bounds from the moment his left foot steps on the line (out of bounds) until he places it in bounds.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
twocents said:
If both feet were out of bounds that might be true, but as his other foot and entire body were inbounds, think he would only have to lift his out of bounds foot off the ground for him to be clearly establkished as inbounds.
Gargamel
Starter
If Walton touched the ball while his foot is out, the ball goes to Phx. That happened just a couple weeks ago in another game where two guys on the floor were holding the ball and one lied on the line. Ball went to other team.
The thing is, Walton's foot was out while he was reaching for the ball. I have footage of the play in frame-by-frame advance. The only thing I can confirm by the angle is that his hands were on Nash's arms when his foot was out. While that's happening, one of his wrists covers the ball, but it's impossible to tell if his wrist touches the ball.
The Suns fans have a more compelling argument that Nash was fouled. He wasn't calling timeout either. He was struggling for the ball and expecting to get fouled, that's why he didn't call for it, although he claims Diaw was yelling for it. By the time Diaw is in the frame, the ball is already tied up and Nash no longer had possession.
One thing, you NEVER run to the sideline and pick up your dribble in that situation. I remember the same thing happening to the Lakers against the Suns about ten years ago. Van Exel picked up the ball expecting a foul while LA was up by 1. Barkley came and forcefully grabbed the ball and a jumpball center court was called. Barkley controlled tap, tap went to Finley, Finley ran down to foul line and hit shot at buzzer. Same exact scenario. Chick was as pissed as I've ever heard him.
In a game a couple years before that at Milwaukee, Van Exel did the same thing and got tied up. Jump ball went to...ahem...Marty Conlon, who got fouled near the buzzer and hit the game winners. Chick was again dismayed that he didn't call timeout immediately. Del Harris went over to Michael Cooper (asst coach) and asked the same question and Coop shrugs and says, "I know..."
You don't pick the ball up in that situation. The refs will call jumpballs. Espec don't trap yourself on the sideline to boot.
The thing is, Walton's foot was out while he was reaching for the ball. I have footage of the play in frame-by-frame advance. The only thing I can confirm by the angle is that his hands were on Nash's arms when his foot was out. While that's happening, one of his wrists covers the ball, but it's impossible to tell if his wrist touches the ball.
The Suns fans have a more compelling argument that Nash was fouled. He wasn't calling timeout either. He was struggling for the ball and expecting to get fouled, that's why he didn't call for it, although he claims Diaw was yelling for it. By the time Diaw is in the frame, the ball is already tied up and Nash no longer had possession.
One thing, you NEVER run to the sideline and pick up your dribble in that situation. I remember the same thing happening to the Lakers against the Suns about ten years ago. Van Exel picked up the ball expecting a foul while LA was up by 1. Barkley came and forcefully grabbed the ball and a jumpball center court was called. Barkley controlled tap, tap went to Finley, Finley ran down to foul line and hit shot at buzzer. Same exact scenario. Chick was as pissed as I've ever heard him.
In a game a couple years before that at Milwaukee, Van Exel did the same thing and got tied up. Jump ball went to...ahem...Marty Conlon, who got fouled near the buzzer and hit the game winners. Chick was again dismayed that he didn't call timeout immediately. Del Harris went over to Michael Cooper (asst coach) and asked the same question and Coop shrugs and says, "I know..."
You don't pick the ball up in that situation. The refs will call jumpballs. Espec don't trap yourself on the sideline to boot.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Gargamel said:
Well int hat case the choices are kind of a) he was fouling Nash while out of bounds; or b) he was grabbing the ball while out of bounds. Either way...not good.
Gargamel
Starter
Bricklayer said:
I'm saying it was likelier a foul. But they don't call that stuff as we know. I'm not saying it's right, but I sure would be angry if one of the Lakers did the same thing while expecting the refs to help him out. I'd consider that just as much his fault than the refs'.
Here's that slowed version. It pauses at the point Walton's left foot is out of bounds. (It doesn't help that you can't see the yellow area either).
http://files.filefront.com/SONATA_VOLUME_09avi/;5039632;;/fileinfo.html
PixelPusher
Starter
When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was referring to this:
...so that's how Kobe finally managed to bond with his teamates!
...so that's how Kobe finally managed to bond with his teamates!
