Kreidler: Stojakovic paying price for his layoff

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Mark Kreidler: Stojakovic paying price for his layoff

By Mark Kreidler -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Thursday, November 11, 2004


They're all looking for normal around the Kings, and the plain truth is that it won't be normal for a while. It won't be normal until Peja Stojakovic finds himself and remembers how good he really is, and that could take anywhere from 24 hours to Your Guess Is As Good As Mine.It won't be normal until Stojakovic rediscovers that step-back jumper (the one that Larry Bird is convinced can become a devastating fadeaway) and starts routinely dumping in shots from 22 or 24 feet. And that stroke isn't there yet.

It won't be normal until the man sees an open lane and takes it without hesitating, or gets fully past the fact that Vlade Divac isn't around to flip him passes with such unspoken synchronicity. And that sync isn't there yet.

It won't be normal, that is, until Peja looks like Peja for more than a game at a time.

And only Stojakovic really knows how long that'll be.

And - here's the thing - only Stojakovic can do a thing about it.

Lay only small boxes at the feet of Peja in terms of Sacramento's start. The Kings didn't lose all three games in Texas merely because Stojakovic couldn't find a rhythm. They weren't 1-3 after four games merely because he was shooting 33 percent from the floor and 21 percent from three-point range.

Beyond that, it's so early it isn't even technically early. It's practically the pre-dawn of the NBA season, which is all to say that there are scores of games yet for Stojakovic to get himself right and go back to being the player - on a near-everyday basis - that he has been for, really, the better part of four years.

But as for this slow start of his, enough with the conspiracy theories and the chemistry grades and the Webberian influence and the outside-events explanations. The primary reason Stojakovic began the season the way he did is simple: Hoops-wise, he did absolutely nothing all summer.

Oh, there were factors. The people who love and support Peja have trotted out a million of 'em, and most of them carry a certain validity. He became a father for the first time. He drilled with the Serbian army, as he was required to do.

He was first shocked and then put off by Divac's departure for the Lakers, and later he was consumed by his own thoughts - and public proclamations - of wanting a trade.

Moreover, head coach Rick Adelman and chief guru Geoff Petrie actively encouraged Stojakovic at the end of last season to consider abstaining from the 2004 Olympics and the national-team preparation it would entail. The concern was obvious: Their shooting star was in danger of flaming out from so many years of shuttling back and forth between his NBA duties and the strong obligation he felt to Serbia-Montenegro.

But no one in the front office expected what happened over the course of those months after last NBA season ended, which was that Stojakovic essentially took the summer off. That isn't unprecedented in sports, but it's unprecedented for Peja - and both he and the Kings are paying the price now.

When Adelman spoke of Stojakovic needing time off, he meant that the man's seemingly near-round team preparation was hurting "his evolution as a player," as the coach told me in June.

"What he needs," Adelman said, "is about five weeks of going one-on-one, just working on things. And he has never been able to do that, because he's always playing on a team."

That one-on-one time, though suddenly possible, never came. Instead, Stojakovic focused on other things in his life and, by his own estimate, barely picked up a ball all summer. When he came into camp, a couple of the members of the Kings' staff were shocked at his poor basketball condition. It was the first time anyone had felt that Stojakovic needed to ramp up to speed.

It's not fatal. Stojakovic is 27 years old, with a reputation for sturdiness and a history of playing no fewer than 71 games in any full season since he joined the Kings in 1998.

He's also a proud player who, no matter how he feels about being in Sacramento, is basically driven to succeed. He may need time to figure out how to get those natural-feeling open looks without Divac around to commit bounce-pass artistry, but he'll get the shots sooner or later.

And when he gets them, he'll make some. And after a while he'll make more, because a career 47 percent shooter doesn't suddenly wake up a 33-percenter.

No, a start like that can only happen because there's so much rust on his shoulders that Stojakovic still hasn't shaken all of it. The man is a scorer.

He brought this dry spell on himself. Now it's his job to find normal again.

 

Bricklayer

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ReinadelosReys said:


When Adelman spoke of Stojakovic needing time off, he meant that the man's seemingly near-round team preparation was hurting "his evolution as a player," as the coach told me in June.

"What he needs," Adelman said, "is about five weeks of going one-on-one, just working on things. And he has never been able to do that, because he's always playing on a team."

That one-on-one time, though suddenly possible, never came. Instead, Stojakovic focused on other things in his life and, by his own estimate, barely picked up a ball all summer. When he came into camp, a couple of the members of the Kings' staff were shocked at his poor basketball condition. It was the first time anyone had felt that Stojakovic needed to ramp up to speed.

This is what I've been saying all summer. The point in having Peja take a summer off from NT work wasn't susposed to be to get him to quit playing basketball altogether, it was to give him time to work on his game, to improve on his weaknesses. That apparently didn't happen.

I'm not so worried about the early season slump (with the one proviso "as long as its got nothing to do with Peja not wanting to play for this team"). I am considerably worried that when we hit the playoffs and run into Bruce bowen or Trenton Hassel that Peja is going to have no more answer for them than he has had in years past.
 
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They were shocked by his condition ? I am shocked that Kings management was shocked. That's the same guy that wanted to get traded ANYWHERE else, so that tells enough about his attitude for this year.
 

piksi

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#4
Playing for NT enabled Predrag to have good starts in the season. He was in shape and rythm. Now he sucks. Even Radmanovic plays better than him at the moment.
 

VF21

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sloter said:
They were shocked by his condition ? I am shocked that Kings management was shocked. That's the same guy that wanted to get traded ANYWHERE else, so that tells enough about his attitude for this year.
I am vehemently going to disagree with that assessment. I've seen the team in person and Pedja does NOT appear to have a lackadaisical attitude or one of pouting, etc. The kid still moves more away from the ball - on most nights - than virtually anyone else playing the game today.

Watching the team dynamics IN PERSON before the game, on the bench, etc. is a lot different than watching TV or following via radio. Either they're really good actors - which I don't buy for a moment after seeing some of their commercials - or the rumors of problems with team chemistry are over-blown. My educated guess is the latter.

Pedja is rusty. His shot is off; his timing is slightly off. The only thing that will bring it back is practice, practice, practice...and in this case, I mean practicing his shot during game situations because it's definitely not the same in the practice gym.

The only thing that I personally think could effect Pedja's mental attitude are all the people hurrying to comment on his poor atttitude, lack of focus, etc. Those could actually become the truth BECAUSE of their very existance.

But, as always, that's just my three cents on the issue...
 
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VF21 said:
I am vehemently going to disagree with that assessment. I've seen the team in person and Pedja does NOT appear to have a lackadaisical attitude or one of pouting, etc. The kid still moves more away from the ball - on most nights - than virtually anyone else playing the game today.

Watching the team dynamics IN PERSON before the game, on the bench, etc. is a lot different than watching TV or following via radio. Either they're really good actors - which I don't buy for a moment after seeing some of their commercials - or the rumors of problems with team chemistry are over-blown. My educated guess is the latter.

Pedja is rusty. His shot is off; his timing is slightly off. The only thing that will bring it back is practice, practice, practice...and in this case, I mean practicing his shot during game situations because it's definitely not the same in the practice gym.

The only thing that I personally think could effect Pedja's mental attitude are all the people hurrying to comment on his poor atttitude, lack of focus, etc. Those could actually become the truth BECAUSE of their very existance.

But, as always, that's just my three cents on the issue...
i like your three cents on the issue. i think they are very honest opinions.
the thing is, peja had sometime off, and now he needs to get back to his rhythm.
i guess the question is when. regardless if he wants to be traded or not, not being able to shoot is not going to help him whatsoever. he may have been discouraged by what people say, but there are times that he'd just have to shake that off for a little while so he could prove them wrong in the future.
we've called him a kid quite often. however, being 27 is kinda an old kid. he's played this game ( and been amazingly good at it) for a long long long time, even before i hit puberty. he's always been famous, he's always been trusted with his shots, so maybe his focus right now needs to be to get his shot back, and prove to the by-standers once again that he's capable of being called the best shooter in the league.
people have complimented frequently on how hard he practices and how he's willing to move without the ball to create oppounities. that's the peja we know. i just hope he could soon get back in shape.
all of us, including himself, need him to get back in shape soon.
 
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VF21

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fakie said:
we've called him a kid quite often. however, being 27 is kinda an old kid. . .
Sonny, when you're as old as I am, virtually everyone still breathing is eligible for the title "kid." ;)

Seriously, he still acts like a kid. I see him and I think "kid." I certainly don't picture him as a mature adult male, which might be part of his problem. I don't think the majority of officials or other players view him as anything but a "kid" either.
 
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VF21 said:
Sonny, when you're as old as I am, virtually everyone still breathing is eligible for the title "kid." ;)

Seriously, he still acts like a kid. I see him and I think "kid." I certainly don't picture him as a mature adult male, which might be part of his problem. I don't think the majority of officials or other players view him as anything but a "kid" either.
that's my point exactly. i think that is his problem. i mean shouldn't he have somewhat matured by now?

by the way, i am a girlie, not a sonny ;) peja is older than me and people don't call me a kid anymore, so i guess i have different expectations of him.
 
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I guess my question is how does Peja get a free pass, effectively, for not preparing for this season by adding something to his arsenal to become a better player? He got completely locked down in the Twolves series by a second-tier NBA player, and he shows up the next season as arguably a worse player than when he left at the end of last season...could the other top-tier player on this team get away with such a lack of preparation?
 

VF21

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"Free pass?" "Get away with lack of preparation?"

What do you think they should do? Send him to his room without dinner?

If you remember, Pedja was in a terrible slump in the playoffs. That wasn't due to a lack of preparation. As I said, I've watched him IN PERSON and I'm convinced he's out there trying. Yeah, his shot is a little rusty but it will come back.

All this talk about his lack of preparation, his lack of focus, etc. is the type of thing that I would get depressed about if I was in his shoes.

How sad is it that some of the meanest comments about Kings players are coming from Kings fans? And the local media?

No wonder people like Webber and the rest of the starting five are taking out full-page ads in the Bee... Some of their loyal fans seem to be buying into all the media crap. The Kings will be fine - or they won't. But I do not think it has anything to do with not wanting to do good, not being willing to put forth effort, etc.
 
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VF21 said:
I am vehemently going to disagree with that assessment. I've seen the team in person and Pedja does NOT appear to have a lackadaisical attitude or one of pouting, etc. The kid still moves more away from the ball - on most nights - than virtually anyone else playing the game today.

Watching the team dynamics IN PERSON before the game, on the bench, etc. is a lot different than watching TV or following via radio. Either they're really good actors - which I don't buy for a moment after seeing some of their commercials - or the rumors of problems with team chemistry are over-blown. My educated guess is the latter.

Pedja is rusty. His shot is off; his timing is slightly off. The only thing that will bring it back is practice, practice, practice...and in this case, I mean practicing his shot during game situations because it's definitely not the same in the practice gym.

The only thing that I personally think could effect Pedja's mental attitude are all the people hurrying to comment on his poor atttitude, lack of focus, etc. Those could actually become the truth BECAUSE of their very existance.

But, as always, that's just my three cents on the issue...
Like fakie, I like your three cents, too. I pretty much share most of your opinions on the issue - Pedja is rusty and he needs a lot of practice. I'm sure he'll get his groove back, but he can definitely do without the seemingly constant third-person negativity affecting his mental (and emotional?) state. Of course, he can always transform that into motivation, if he even pays any attention to all that crap, but I guess he's the only person who can help himself right now... but he definitely needs to work, work, work to shake off all that rust.
 
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I guess I'm just talking about from the fans, relatively, who bemoan Peja's poor shooting much more than point out the fact that he decided he'd had enough basketball for a summer, which just happened to be a summer after he again showed that he is not a prime time playoff performer (I think plenty of stats have been shown by others to back up this claim).

Sure, Peja was in a shooting slump, but that slump was aided by the likes of all world defenders Trenton Hassell and Fred all-of-6'4" Hoiberg. With Peja's size, neither player should be able to do anything to stop him. Could either of those guys stop Dirk? How much taller is Dirk than Peja? Two inches? Is that enough of an extra height advantage over a 6'6" player to make an excuse for Peja getting constantly locked down by these types of players?

And, I don't want to lay the blame entirely at Peja's feet. It's not even close to his entire fault that this team is playing like crap...CWebb seems to have become the 40% career shooters all his detractors would like for him to be, Miller's complete lack of a postgame is a problem, Bibby still can't play defense because "deceptive quickness" doesn't help on that end of the floor, BJax is *pressing* constantly, DC has been injured and looks completely out of sorts, and other than Matt Barnes killing the Mavs on opening night, the rest of the bench has been worthless. But this thread is about Peja...
 
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VF21 said:
"Free pass?" "Get away with lack of preparation?"

What do you think they should do? Send him to his room without dinner?

If you remember, Pedja was in a terrible slump in the playoffs. That wasn't due to a lack of preparation. As I said, I've watched him IN PERSON and I'm convinced he's out there trying. Yeah, his shot is a little rusty but it will come back.

All this talk about his lack of preparation, his lack of focus, etc. is the type of thing that I would get depressed about if I was in his shoes.

How sad is it that some of the meanest comments about Kings players are coming from Kings fans? And the local media?

No wonder people like Webber and the rest of the starting five are taking out full-page ads in the Bee... Some of their loyal fans seem to be buying into all the media crap. The Kings will be fine - or they won't. But I do not think it has anything to do with not wanting to do good, not being willing to put forth effort, etc.
I absolutely agree. Pedja is not out there jacking up bad shots or passing on open shots because he couldn't care less. He's trying to do pretty much about the same thing he did last year: some plays are called for him early, he takes shots, help strech the floor, run accross the floor opposite the ball movement (while dragging his marker with him) etc. Except that shots are not falling and he (along with Bibby) is enjoying some extra pine time.

You might be onto something with "rustiness". If he took a whole summer off (wedding, baby, Greek army service) while he got extra rest he might have screwed up his rhytm and routine. In baseball they call it "bad mechanics" but it is more to do with "muscle memory" and loosing your timing on the release.

"Rustiness" by Kings in general and Pedja in particular seem like much more plausible explanation to me then Pedja dogging it or not having "his heart in it" or some other pseudo-psychological explanations offered by the media.
 

HndsmCelt

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Pedja is trying but just looks Rusty. And yes he does not seem to have any new moves, same weak lay ups, andno low post, BUT his cuts look good as does his defense. I am not worried, but I sould love to him do something to make defenders like Bowen pay, be it a fade away, a drive to the hoop or something.
 

Bricklayer

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HndsmCelt said:
Pedja is trying but just looks Rusty. And yes he does not seem to have any new moves, same weak lay ups, andno low post, BUT his cuts look good as does his defense. I am not worried, but I sould love to him do something to make defenders like Bowen pay, be it a fade away, a drive to the hoop or something.
One does wonder what Larry Bird would have done over the summer had a hole like that been discovered and exploited against him in the playoffs. Would it have been 1000 turnaround jumpers a day, or 1500? Probably the difference between a great player and a Great player right there -- just burning pride.
 
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Bricklayer said:
One does wonder what Larry Bird would have done over the summer had a hole like that been discovered and exploited against him in the playoffs. Would it have been 1000 turnaround jumpers a day, or 1500? Probably the difference between a great player and a Great player right there -- just burning pride.
Agreed. There's no excuse for a professional athlete coming into camp out of shape or starting off the season rusty due to lack of practice during the summer. The guy didn't need to work out like a fiend, because we know he needed some rest this time. What he DID need to do was work on his game, find an additional go-to move or two that he can use effectively against quick long armed defenders like Hassell and Bowen. After that postseason, you'd think he'd have some pride and be in the gym night and day working on those things.
 
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Just a thought ... there has been a lot of effort on this site to get the "D" back in Pedja. And so far this season he has shown he deserves it. But until I see his "J" return, I'm just going to refer to him as "Peda". :)
 

HndsmCelt

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Bricklayer said:
One does wonder what Larry Bird would have done over the summer had a hole like that been discovered and exploited against him in the playoffs. Would it have been 1000 turnaround jumpers a day, or 1500? Probably the difference between a great player and a Great player right there -- just burning pride.
In the words of Hank Hill, "yup"
 
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How many players do you see in the league come back every year with some improvement, i would say not that many. I can think of garnett/kobe/duncan who seem to improve every year and offcourse the candidates for the MIP. Other than that i see the guys who are in the final years of the contract doing better in the season than the one before.

Before singling out peja, can you say who in the kings team has come back this year better than last year. They all seem to be lost out there and i didnt see anything different from anyone.
 

Bricklayer

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vladetomiller said:
How many players do you see in the league come back every year with some improvement, i would say not that many. I can think of garnett/kobe/duncan who seem to improve every year and offcourse the candidates for the MIP. Other than that i see the guys who are in the final years of the contract doing better in the season than the one before.

Before singling out peja, can you say who in the kings team has come back this year better than last year. They all seem to be lost out there and i didnt see anything different from anyone.
Nope. Most of our players are already more or less complete players doing what they can with their talent. Hard to point out glaring weaknesses which can be corrected by work (I threw in that last phrase to cover the Bibby situation where his defense sucks, but not sure how much of that can be fixed via offseason work).

two exceptions:
1) Brad desperately needs a post game. But he's not a gym rat. Then again he makes no claim to being or even desiring to be Great with the big "G".
2) Peja is actually the most one-dimensional of all our core players. And he is also the one who in theory (never quite bought the theory) could be Great. But he has added relatively little to his game over the years besides becoming a better defender. And unlike the rest of the team he has been exposed as having a very particular weakness which he hasn't addressed. Perhaps ok for a great scorer. Not at all th sign of a Great one.
 

6th

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vladetomiller said:
How many players do you see in the league come back every year with some improvement, i would say not that many. I can think of garnett/kobe/duncan who seem to improve every year and offcourse the candidates for the MIP. Other than that i see the guys who are in the final years of the contract doing better in the season than the one before.

Before singling out peja, can you say who in the kings team has come back this year better than last year. They all seem to be lost out there and i didnt see anything different from anyone.
Better? Well, let's see. There is Webber who worked hard on rehab and has greater flexibility and hops because of it. His passing ability has improved. His ability to stay with the person he is defending has improved.

Then, how about Bobby? He worked like a fiend to rehab and after months of not playing basketball, he came back into camp in basketball form. It shows!

Pedja took the summer off. Fine! But, was it too much to ask that he work out and stay in shape? Was it too much to ask that he pick up a basketball and work on his moves? How about shooting a few jumpers just to keep your skills at current levels? But, no, Peja has regressed. Look at his numbers and say that isn't the case.

By his own admission, he barely picked up a ball. That was certainly not the intent of the Kings organization (who pay him millions of dollars) when they said, "take the summer off from playing with your national team."
 
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I just don't understand the need to take a criticism against Peja and deflect it onto other players on the Kings. Did Bibby show that he couldn't score against guys who shouldn't be defending him in the Twolves series? Nope, that was Peja (actually, Bibby did get locked up by Sprewell, which was disappointing, so there may be something there). Peja plays offense best, and he has become a very competent defender on the ball, but when he doesn't have his offense because someone can take it away from him, then he needs to develop more offense. It's regularly recognized that Peja doesn't yet have a complete offensive game...he can't use his size in any way, shape or form to take advantage of the smaller defenders which are placed on him to run all over the court with him. And I think it's also recognized that he could get a post game if he put in the time. Dirk had no post game when he came into the league, and now he's got enough of one that if you stick Trenton Hassell on him, Hassell gets abused in the low block time and time again.

Peja just needs to put in the time, and it's disappointing that he didn't do so. There's no need to point the finger at other players just because your favorite player didn't hold up his end of the bargain over the summer.