Kobe popped Jaric on nose...

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Looked identical to the Manu incident, flail after a block from the side, slight bleeding for Jaric.

I have to admit that Kobe needs to be suspended in order to justify my cries for consistency in punishments. Will Stupid Stu once again prove his inconsistency?
 
So basically Jaric's nose attacked Kobe's elbow? It's certainly amazing to me how many facial parts seem to want to commit assault and battery on Kobe's elbow...
 
VF21 said:
So basically Jaric's nose attacked Kobe's elbow? It's certainly amazing to me how many facial parts seem to want to commit assault and battery on Kobe's elbow...
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No, Kobe popped Jaric, and Stupid Stu doesn't act, he's either going to be exposed as inconsistent or bogus for the last one.
 
again proving that it's not an unnatural move, it is an attempt to draw a foul. no suspension is warranted in that case. another suspension would be even more of an atrocity and start a precedent that the game doesn't want.
 
NBA suspends Kobe for tonight's game vs. Bucks

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2790534

The NBA is suspending Lakers guard Kobe Bryant for Wednesday night's game at Milwaukee for catching Minnesota Timberwolves guard Marko Jaric in the face Tuesday night.

After getting his shot blocked by Jaric, Bryant flailed his arms and caught Jaric in the face with 58.7 seconds left in regulation Tuesday.
Bryant was called for a foul on the play. Bryant struck San Antonio guard Manu Ginobili in the face in similar fashion with two-tenths of a second left in the fourth quarter of the Lakers' 96-94 overtime loss Jan. 28 against the Spurs.
Bryant was not called for a foul on that play, but was suspended for the Lakers' next game.
Bryant was suspended in that incident for what league disciplinarian Stu Jackson called driving "a stiff arm backward."
Jaric said he was surprised that Bryant was suspended.
"I haven't seen the replay, but if you ask me what I thought about the play when it happened, I don't think he did it intentionally, and I don't think players should be suspended for things that happen unintentionally," Jaric told ESPN.com. "I think he was trying to draw a foul, and he swung his hand out to make it look dramatic, and he hit me by accident. He apologized right after."
It is the fifth time that Bryant has been suspended by the NBA.
 
Vlade4GM said:
again proving that it's not an unnatural move, it is an attempt to draw a foul. no suspension is warranted in that case. another suspension would be even more of an atrocity and start a precedent that the game doesn't want.
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Oh please!

the atrocity lies in how many players does he actually have to hit before he gets suspended for more than one game or the league amends the rule.

Even Gargamel can see it for what it was and he's a well known Lakers fan.
 
Elise10 said:
Oh please!

the atrocity lies in how many players does he actually have to hit before he gets suspended for more than one game or the league amends the rule.

Even Gargamel can see it for what it was and he's a well known Lakers fan.
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uh, he was trying to draw a foul. at this point i think it's undeniably obvious that's so. it was completely unintentional and he shouldn't get suspended for an unintentional hit. if the league wants to change their rules then they can do so, not just single out kobe.
 
Vlade4GM said:
uh, he was trying to draw a foul. at this point i think it's undeniably obvious that's so. it was completely unintentional and he shouldn't get suspended for an unintentional hit. if the league wants to change their rules then they can do so, not just single out kobe.
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it worked against Bibby in game 6 on WCF02:rolleyes:

Jaric blocked his shot and Kobe was frustrated - end of story
 
piksi said:
it worked against Bibby in game 6 on WCF02:rolleyes:

Jaric blocked his shot and Kobe was frustrated - end of story
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or he blocked his shot and he was trying to make it seem like he fouled him. kobe has done this before on multiple occassions and he's gotten the call before. saying that he hit him on purpose because he was frustrated makes no logical sense and is complete speculation.
 
Who's face is next to be punched by Kobe? :rolleyes: He needs to understand for once that his team isn't the only team in the league..
 
Vlade4GM said:
uh, he was trying to draw a foul. at this point i think it's undeniably obvious that's so. it was completely unintentional and he shouldn't get suspended for an unintentional hit. if the league wants to change their rules then they can do so, not just single out kobe.
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My point is that it's an attempt to ward off a player, but I also have seen Shaq chop heads many a time (Richard Jefferson was on NBA TV corroborating that point after Kobe got suspended the first time). I've seen Bowen stick his feet under jumpshooters. I've seen Malone and Barkley extend their knees high on drives to the rim. I've seen Marbury and Isiah and numerous guards plant their feet in a stationary defender's crotch on layup attempts.

If one of those offenses warrants suspension, then all of them do. And that IS the rationale that Stupid Stu is using (an unnatural basketball move meant to intimidate another w/ the threat of injury). The way they got it set up now is that only contact to the head fits the bill. Shouldn't be that way. Bowen's happy feet are most definitely unnatural basketball weapons. I defy anyone to disagree w/ that. If he's not suspended, then the league is wrong.

Another thing, it's now clear that there's a disconnect between the league and the refs. Both times Kobe hit the other player, he wasn't ejected. I'm not sure about the Manu incident, but he wasn't even T'd for the Jaric incident. It's probably not obvious enough to Stu that he might want to inform Ronnie Nunn about what needs to be called flagrant. It's pretty obvious to me that a suspendable action should merit a T, flagrant, or ejection. That's just me tho...
 
Vlade4GM said:
uh, he was trying to draw a foul. at this point i think it's undeniably obvious that's so. it was completely unintentional and he shouldn't get suspended for an unintentional hit. if the league wants to change their rules then they can do so, not just single out kobe.
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Lots of offensive fouls are commited "trying to draw a foul".

Wait, so he's purposefully swinging his arms to draw a foul but it is "unintentional"? Which is it? If he intentionally swung his arm to get a foul, then he intentionally hit him. And he has a really bad habit of giving folks bloody noses "trying to draw a foul" and not getting called. Now they are paying closer attention to his "tricks" - poor baby.

At this point, "I think it's undeniably obvious" Kobe could pull out a gun and shoot 3 people in the stands and you would think it was an "unintentional hit" - they just got in the way of the bullets.... :rolleyes:
 
Gargamel said:
My point is that it's an attempt to ward off a player, but I also have seen Shaq chop heads many a time (Richard Jefferson was on NBA TV corroborating that point after Kobe got suspended the first time). I've seen Bowen stick his feet under jumpshooters. I've seen Malone and Barkley extend their knees high on drives to the rim. I've seen Marbury and Isiah and numerous guards plant their feet in a stationary defender's crotch on layup attempts.

If one of those offenses warrants suspension, then all of them do. And that IS the rationale that Stupid Stu is using (an unnatural basketball move meant to intimidate another w/ the threat of injury). The way they got it set up now is that only contact to the head fits the bill. Shouldn't be that way. Bowen's happy feet are most definitely unnatural basketball weapons. I defy anyone to disagree w/ that. If he's not suspended, then the league is wrong.

Another thing, it's now clear that there's a disconnect between the league and the refs. Both times Kobe hit the other player, he wasn't ejected. I'm not sure about the Manu incident, but he wasn't even T'd for the Jaric incident. It's probably not obvious enough to Stu that he might want to inform Ronnie Nunn about what needs to be called flagrant. It's pretty obvious to me that a suspendable action should merit a T, flagrant, or ejection. That's just me tho...
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totally agree.
 
Warhawk said:
Lots of offensive fouls are commited "trying to draw a foul".

Wait, so he's purposefully swinging his arms to draw a foul but it is "unintentional"? Which is it? If he intentionally swung his arm to get a foul, then he intentionally hit him. And he has a really bad habit of giving folks bloody noses "trying to draw a foul" and not getting called. Now they are paying closer attention to his "tricks" - poor baby.

At this point, "I think it's undeniably obvious" Kobe could pull out a gun and shoot 3 people in the stands and you would think it was an "unintentional hit" - they just got in the way of the bullets.... :rolleyes:
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the contact is unintentional. just because he intentionally flailed his arms doesn't mean he intentionally hit him.
 
Vlade4GM said:
the contact is unintentional. just because he intentionally flailed his arms doesn't mean he intentionally hit him.
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Yea but while intentionally swinging he hit the dude, whether it was on purpose or not, it was caused by a cheap move he pulls to draw a foul and should result in a suspension, that stupid **** he pulls gets old really quick.
 
NikateeN said:
Yea but while intentionally swinging he hit the dude, whether it was on purpose or not, it was caused by a cheap move he pulls to draw a foul and should result in a suspension, that stupid **** he pulls gets old really quick.
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not the rules my friend.
 
Charles Barkley is on Sportsline right now saying that he should have been suspended for 2-3 games because it was intentional - once could be accidental, but the same action again and again is intentional and worthy of a longer suspention for multiple instances.
 
Vlade4GM said:
uh, he was trying to draw a foul. at this point i think it's undeniably obvious that's so. it was completely unintentional and he shouldn't get suspended for an unintentional hit. if the league wants to change their rules then they can do so, not just single out kobe.
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At this point: HE'S BEEN SUSPENDED AND IT'S ALREADY IN EFFECT TONIGHT!

Stu Jackson doesn't think that it was unintentional either:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2790534
"I was very surprised to see a similar type of play occur," NBA vice president Stu Jackson said, adding that he'll likely issue a longer suspension if Bryant makes similar contact in the future.
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"I'm not in the business of reading players' minds, I'm simply evaluating the play as a basketball play," Jackson told The Associated Press. "And when you take a shot and follow through, followed by driving an arm back in an aggressive manner that strikes a defender in his face, that's what we evaluated to be a non-acceptable play."
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And are you related to Phil Jackson btw?:
"I think I'm going to have to put about 50 clips of Kobe shooting his shot and his arms going out like that so the judger of this deed of Kobe's sees that he does this a lot," Jackson said. "It's not an unnatural basketball motion."
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For someone who got pretty snippy about being accused of being a Lakers fan....
Vlade4GM said:
do you mean back to the topic of you accusing me of being a laker fan?
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you're putting up a strong front made of glass.
 
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