Kings/Warriors trade:

[Smills91]

Kings deal:
Shareef Abdur Rahim

Warriors deal:
Patrick O'Bryant
Sarunas Yesacabbages
2nd round pick (#41)


Why for Warriors: They lack a big man with a post presence, and shareef is versatile enough to play the 4 or 5 in their style of system. POB won't be seeing any run in GSW for a LONG while as long as Nellie is there.

Why for the Kings: They get out of Shareef's longer term deal, and add a BIG project for free and can take an early flyer in the 2nd round of this stacked draft. SJ can be trade bait or salary releif with his expiring deal.

Kings new line-up:
C: Brad Miller, Patrick O'Bryant
PF: Kenny Thomas, Justin Williams
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Ronnie Price, Sarunas Yessacabbages

I'd also presume that Petrie will look to move Kenny Thomas and/or Ron Artest this summer as well and can address the frontcourt issues via that trade and/or our draft pick.

 

[Bricklayer]

Just refer to them as the Warrirors please. No Queens, no Fakers, no Whorriers. Serves no good purpose except to aggravate people.

 

[VF21]

Kings deal:
Shareef Abdur Rahim

Warriors deal:
Patrick O'Bryant
Sarunas Yesacabbages
2nd round pick (#41)


Why for Warriors: They lack a big man with a post presence, and shareef is versatile enough to play the 4 or 5 in their style of system. POB won't be seeing any run in GSW for a LONG while as long as Nellie is there.

Why for the Kings: They get out of Shareef's longer term deal, and add a BIG project for free and can take an early flyer in the 2nd round of this stacked draft. SJ can be trade bait or salary releif with his expiring deal.

Kings new line-up:
C: Brad Miller, Patrick O'Bryant
PF: Kenny Thomas, Justin Williams
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Ronnie Price, Sarunas Yessacabbages

I'd also presume that Petrie will look to move Kenny Thomas and/or Ron Artest this summer as well and can address the frontcourt issues via that trade and/or our draft pick.

I see absolutely no real upside to doing this deal whatsoever. And that lineup simply gives me heartburn.

 

[hrdboild]

Actually, I think that's a good deal for us. Shareef has three more years of gradual decline on his contract. It's a reasonable contract to be sure, but even at his best he's a defensive liability at PF. Sarunas' contract is up after next year so we shed a hefty chunk of Shareef's salary and bring in a young 7 footer for four years. O'Bryant was a lottery pick. He hasn't had much of a chance to play this year, and might not ever get that chance in Don Nelson's system -- so he's hardly had a chance to show what he can do. He was highly regarded before last year's draft as an athletic 7 footer with some post skills. I'd do it even without the 2nd round pick in a second.

More minutes for Justin Williams would also be a good thing. Trade KT somehow or cut him from the team or bench him, whichever, and we'd have Brad and O'Bryant at center and Williams + maybe draft pick at PF. That's a huge improvement from this year.

 

[VF21]

He didn't say trade Kenny Thomas. He has Kenny Thomas as our starting PF, and I'll repeat my comment that it gives me heartburn.

If we're gonna rebuild, and I think just about everyone can see that handwriting on the wall, we need to do a lot more than keep the same starting five and build behind them. Of course, once again, that's not even talking about why the Warriors would REALISTICALLY even think of doing this deal. If SAR was that good a player in the low post, why would we get rid of him? The truth of the matter is the Warriors are going to realize he's a player in decline, too. People can't use only the negatives to justify getting rid of him and only the positives to justify another team wanting him... He's not Nellie's kind of player.

 

[hrdboild]

Well yeah, I don't see why the Warriors make this trade either -- I was just commenting that it would be a good trade for us. And I think trading Kenny Thomas just to get him off the team is priority #1 (or maybe 1b after firing Muss) but that doesn't make this a bad trade. It'll take a series of trades to make this into a good team. This trade makes us better, which is what trades should do. O'Bryant could be a future starting center. There's your upside. And considering O'Bryant may never get more than garbage minutes so long as Nellie coaches the Warriors, it's not totally unreasonable to see them trading him for a veteran PF. Shareef doesn't really fit any better in Nellie's system though, so there's that.

 

[VF21]

Shareef doesn't really fit any better in Nellie's system though, so there's that.

Exactly. And that's why it's more of a "video game" trade IMHO.

 

[Smills91]

He didn't say trade Kenny Thomas. He has Kenny Thomas as our starting PF, and I'll repeat my comment that it gives me heartburn.

If we're gonna rebuild, and I think just about everyone can see that handwriting on the wall, we need to do a lot more than keep the same starting five and build behind them. Of course, once again, that's not even talking about why the Warriors would REALISTICALLY even think of doing this deal. If SAR was that good a player in the low post, why would we get rid of him? The truth of the matter is the Warriors are going to realize he's a player in decline, too. People can't use only the negatives to justify getting rid of him and only the positives to justify another team wanting him... He's not Nellie's kind of player.

Go re-read my post and read the last couple lines of the original post I made...

 

[VF21]

Go re-read my post and read the last couple lines of the original post I made...

You can't have both ways, dude. You have Kenny Thomas listed as our starting PF in your lineup. Then you throw in the vague trade Thomas and/or Artest as if it's gonna be a piece of cake to get rid of Kenny.

Not buying it...

 

[beb0p]

Kings deal:
Shareef Abdur Rahim

Warriors deal:
Patrick O'Bryant
Sarunas Yesacabbages
2nd round pick (#41)

We completely rip-off the Warriors! So yes, I like it.

 

[nebs]

I'd do the trade easily just to get younger with O'Bryant. No reason for the Warriors to do this though.

 

[Bricklayer]

As for the trade -- sure, jsut to get a young lottery guy oout of Shareef. But it solves absolutely nothign in and of itself, and keeping the rest of the teasm would be insane -- an insantiy that thankfully I do not think our front office is going to engage in any longer. But sure, Shareef for yougn center, why not. Just has to be one of about 3 or 4 other moves for it to mean anything for us.

 

[Smills91]

You can't have both ways, dude. You have Kenny Thomas listed as our starting PF in your lineup. Then you throw in the vague trade Thomas and/or Artest as if it's gonna be a piece of cake to get rid of Kenny.

Not buying it...

This is clearly STEP 1 of my proposal...I put rosters down as they would appear after the deal. I then CLEARLY stated in the next line that the desire would be to move Kenny/Artest with another possible future move that I did not declare. I mean what is there to buy? I stated it, and therefore recognized that the roster is STILL imperfect. I don't expect ONE deal to make us contenders, but rather a series of manuevers to position ourselves with cap space, youth, picks etc.

EDIT: I also didn't put draft picks in either, because that would be speculative of this scenario, as would another deal.

 

[VF21]

This is clearly STEP 1 of my proposal...I put rosters down as they would appear after the deal. I then CLEARLY stated in the next line that the desire would be to move Kenny/Artest with another possible future move that I did not declare. I mean what is there to buy? I stated it, and therefore recognized that the roster is STILL imperfect. I don't expect ONE deal to make us contenders, but rather a series of manuevers to position ourselves with cap space, youth, picks etc.

EDIT: I also didn't put draft picks in either, because that would be speculative of this scenario, as would another deal.

I'll try to explain. You post the roster after your deal, saying it's STEP 1. My point is that your step 1 is actually contingent upon moving Kenny Thomas. And that's much easier said than done.

In my mind, it's like outlining how to win the lottery and putting "match numbers" before "buy ticket."

Hey, it's all cool. And it's all just speculation anyway...