[Game] Kings @ Warriors, 1/25/2024, 7:00p PT/10:00p ET (TNT)

[kingdivac]

Sabonis bringing the ball up the floor is by far the most efficient offense, the amount of open threes and layups doesn't even come close to comparing to turnovers he has while doing so.This game alone Kings had 4-5 open threes because of that. It's not going anywhere and it shouldn't

What you're writing doesn't make sense., Efficient offense doesn't come from bringing the ball up the floor, it comes from movement off the ball. unless you have extroardinary ball handling skills which Sabonis does not. Sabonis is not a ball handler for transition, nor should he be most especially bringing the ball up the floor - do you see how high he dribbles? - that's like a big target on his uniform for all defenders, blood in the water - he is 10th in the NBA in turnovers 10th! that's the top 3% of all players in the NBA for turnovers .....the Kings don't need Sabonis bringing the ball up to initiate high-low hand-offs, screens, or open 3.s They can simply have him meet at top of the key after Fox or Mitchell have transitted the ball to opposing key. It doesn't facilitate anything but higher turnover potential. It's like gifting the defense a cheat card each set for a bonus 5% turnover risk increase at little to no cost.. Every time Sabonis handles the ball full court is cringeworthy.

 

[gunks]

Domas was absolutely excellent last night.

In case anybody who didn’t watch the game is confused by the last two pages of this game thread.

Domas slander is crazy. Dude is playing like he's on a mission this season, but I guess being the leagues best rebounder and triple double machine isn't enough, he also needs to have Jokic's range and touch around the basket?

 

[Remi]

What you're writing doesn't make sense., Efficient offense doesn't come from bringing the ball up the floor, it comes from movement off the ball. unless you have extroardinary ball handling skills which Sabonis does not. Sabonis is not a ball handler for transition, nor should he be most especially bringing the ball up the floor - do you see how high he dribbles? - that's like a big target on his uniform for all defenders, blood in the water - he is 10th in the NBA in turnovers 10th! that's the top 3% of all players in the NBA for turnovers .....the Kings don't need Sabonis bringing the ball up to initiate high-low hand-offs, screens, or open 3.s They can simply have him meet at top of the key after Fox or Mitchell have transitted the ball to opposing key. It doesn't facilitate anything but higher turnover potential. It's like gifting the defense a cheat card each set for a bonus 5% turnover risk increase at little to no cost.. Every time Sabonis handles the ball full court is cringeworthy.

I see a lot of hatred here .....
Sabonis is no1 in rebounds, no 7 in assists, no7 in efficiency. And no 7 in MVP ranking >> https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-26-2024-edition ...
And yes, because majority of game is going via Sabonis, he makes turnovers - most of them are bad screens or offensive fouls. He can reduce this amount for sure.
By the way, Sabonis is no10 in turnovers with 3,3 per game and league "love God" Haliburton has 2,5 turnovers and is in 29th place.... :



So maybe we should trade this " very bad" player by your statements? And with whom would you replace?

 

[Caccia]

There is no "hatred" in kingdivac's post. The best and fastest ball handlers should be bringing the ball up the court, as in traditional basketball. The other consideration, which I mentioned early last season, is that Sabonis has a very high step when dribbling, and bringing the ball up the court puts a lot of miles on his legs and feet. Centers often develop problems over time due to their height and weight. Domantas is too valuable to wear out in such a manner.

But I will agree that "cringeworthy" is over the top. Also, I disagree with kingdivac insofar as a basketball team's primary ballhandlers--in this case Sabonis, Fox, and Monk--are naturally going to have the highest number of turnovers per 36 minutes. It comes with the territory. You just have to minimize miscommunication and maximize accuracy in passing or handoffs. Sabonis has been very careful with the direct handoffs this season.

 

[Fantazija]

What you're writing doesn't make sense., Efficient offense doesn't come from bringing the ball up the floor, it comes from movement off the ball. unless you have extroardinary ball handling skills which Sabonis does not. Sabonis is not a ball handler for transition, nor should he be most especially bringing the ball up the floor - do you see how high he dribbles? - that's like a big target on his uniform for all defenders, blood in the water - he is 10th in the NBA in turnovers 10th! that's the top 3% of all players in the NBA for turnovers .....the Kings don't need Sabonis bringing the ball up to initiate high-low hand-offs, screens, or open 3.s They can simply have him meet at top of the key after Fox or Mitchell have transitted the ball to opposing key. It doesn't facilitate anything but higher turnover potential. It's like gifting the defense a cheat card each set for a bonus 5% turnover risk increase at little to no cost.. Every time Sabonis handles the ball full court is cringeworthy.

If you don't see how Sabonis bringing the ball up and making a decision ( 9 out of 10 times a correct one) is a huge positive and probably the highest points per play sequence in the whole Kings offense then we must be watching different games... Most of his turnovers are not in transition but screens and charges

 

[kingdivac]

If you don't see how Sabonis bringing the ball up and making a decision ( 9 out of 10 times a correct one) is a huge positive and probably the highest points per play sequence in the whole Kings offense then we must be watching different games... Most of his turnovers are not in transition but screens and charges

Making a decision and brining the ball up the court are 2 different processes. You don't need to bring the ball up the court to make a decision, and yes it certainly does increase his turnovers. He should not be dribbling the ball up the court.

 

[kingdivac]

There is no "hatred" in kingdivac's post. The best and fastest ball handlers should be bringing the ball up the court, as in traditional basketball. The other consideration, which I mentioned early last season, is that Sabonis has a very high step when dribbling, and bringing the ball up the court puts a lot of miles on his legs and feet. Centers often develop problems over time due to their height and weight. Domantas is too valuable to wear out in such a manner.

But I will agree that "cringeworthy" is over the top. Also, I disagree with kingdivac insofar as a basketball team's primary ballhandlers--in this case Sabonis, Fox, and Monk--are naturally going to have the highest number of turnovers per 36 minutes. It comes with the territory. You just have to minimize miscommunication and maximize accuracy in passing or handoffs. Sabonis has been very careful with the direct handoffs this season.

Oh its cringeworthy, mostly because its a simple thing to mitigate - get the ball to the guard 1st. The transition turnover occurs when he tries to run a break or up the tempo himself - outta control!. Like a slow moving trainwreck

 

[GWD]

It is disturbing that the knowledgeable folks on this forum criticize Sabonis for bringing the ball up the court. It is painted as Sabonis doing something independent of the coachs' strategy and wishes.

Simply, he is TOLD to bring the ball up the court. Faulting Sabonis is fault misplaced. It could be instantly and forever extinguished by a single sentence from the coach. Sabonis is no defiant ego-driven player that must be the center of attention and will do what he decides in defiance of the coach's directions.

Look elsewhere to lay whatever blame is needed (if any).

 

[Padrino]

This is such a weird argument. Domas rarely turns the ball over while bringing it up the court, and doing so allows the Kings to get into their offense quicker, since Domas is the hub of nearly everything the Kings run when he's on the court. It's clearly by design, and he's a perfectly capable dribbler. The coaching staff has no doubt calculated that any risk in having Domas bring the ball up periodically is mitigated by the points scored via early offense.

 

[Kingz19]

If you don't see how Sabonis bringing the ball up and making a decision ( 9 out of 10 times a correct one) is a huge positive and probably the highest points per play sequence in the whole Kings offense then we must be watching different games... Most of his turnovers are not in transition but screens and charges

Yeah, this criticism is not based in reality. Not based on any stat or any film at all.

Sabonis rarely gets picked or in any trouble whatsoever pushing the ball up the court. No possession goes awry as a result of him bringing it up. If anything, the Kings offensively have the best result from Domas bringing the ball up. Many of his assists come from that.

I can only guess somebody is on principle bothered by a big man pushing the ball up the court but it’s simply not a problem for Sabonis and is a major strength in his game.

Sabonis is actually one of the few Kings players im fully comfortable with bringing the ball up the court. Even Monk is more prone to mishandle the ball or blow a possession dribbling the ball up the court than Domas.

Most of his turnovers are offensive fouls, getting stipped going up and the ball going off his knee on half court sets. On an average night it will be about 2-3 offensive fouls and him losing the ball going up for a shot. The offensive fouls need to be cut down. Dribbling the ball up not.

Even in his few high turnover games this season, none I can think of were a result of him mishandling the ball while bringing it up.

I’m actually a pretty sensitive guy to the ball being passed to the wrong guy on a fast break or not finding the guard bringing the ball up as well. A few games back Fox passed the ball to Sasha at around center court on a fast break and I knew before it got to Sasha that he would get picked. Domas wouldn’t have passed it to Sasha there. So decision making matters to the guy bringing it up too. Domas is the best playmaker on the team.

No problem with Sabonis doing it and based on results, nobody should have a problem with it. He can handle the ball and he best knows where to go with it out of probably anybody on the team.

 

[ppine]

Huerter having "length" for his height is an illusion. For reference Keon Ellis is longer than he is.

What he has done, is playing hard and trying to impact the game in ways other than shooting the 3, such as trying to get as many rebounds as he can

Huerter is 6"7" which is a lot for a 2. He is working to add to his shooting ability. I like the guy, but he is up and down some games.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Huerter is 6"7" which is a lot for a 2. He is working to add to his shooting ability. I like the guy, but he is up and down some games.

"length" really isn't head height. It's wing span and standing reach. Sabonis is another guy who isn't long relative to his height