Interesting side note: Both Grievius Vasquez and Robin Lopez are both represented by Arn Tellem, Tyreke's agent. Here's a list of all his clients: http://hoopshype.com/agents/arn_tellem.htm
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I might be wrong, but it's only a "poison pill" contract offer from the Pelicans if Reke actually signs it. Then the Kings would have to decide to match or not. However if Reke doesn't sign it and the Kings offer a deal that is more typically structured and not front loaded. And is acceptable to both parties. Then there is no poison pill worry.
Fear the Putin
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as I thought, the Pelicans are throwing a monkey wrench into our plan to keep Reke by frontloading the contract. Good thing is that he hasn't signed the offer sheet and he came away pretty happy from the meeting with Vivek an Co. That way, if he decides to come back to the Kings with the same money the others are offering him, but spread out evenly our however PDA needs it to spread out to contain the salary cap.
I would imagine that would muddy the waters a bit, no?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
yes.
He made 63% of them last year in fact. Its a stat that is kept at a site called hoopdata.com
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
yes, this is the key point about New Orleans trying to **** us by frontloading -- none of it actually happens/matters unless Reke signs their deal. There would be no reason for Reke to sign their deal and **** us so long as he legitimately wants to return, and we say we're going to pay him. The only way the New Orleans gamesmanship matters is if we tell reke we aren't paying him, he wants to go to New Orleans, and he colludes with them to try to force his way out of Sac. Which is another way of saying going down to his place and showing him some love was critical.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
That's what I thought when I looked into it. Maybe Brick can provide more insight.
Sure, here would be my note. Arn Tellum works for Arn Tellum, nobody else. You want to know how Reke ends up hearing from New Orleans, a team with no apparent need for him on day 1 of free agency? Its because his agent arranged it with New Orleans' front office. You sign this client, I'll help you trade these clients...all nice and cozy. None of it illegal under the non-rules of sports agenting either.
rainmaker
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James Ham @James_Ham about 5 minutes ago
Confirming that Tyreke Evans will meet with Atlanta tomorrow and possibly one other Eastern Conference team.
James Ham @James_Ham 3m
Also on the Evans front, hearing he may prefer a 4-year deal and not the 5-year deal he is eligible to recieve from the Kings.
Confirming that Tyreke Evans will meet with Atlanta tomorrow and possibly one other Eastern Conference team.
James Ham @James_Ham 3m
Also on the Evans front, hearing he may prefer a 4-year deal and not the 5-year deal he is eligible to recieve from the Kings.
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Section 101
All-Star
So true!
Or maybe "You make a generous offer to this client and I'll help you trade these clients"? Looks like Tellum is in a win-win situation. Whichever team signs Evans, Tellum gets paid...
I hate freaking agents.
I don't understand the talk of frontloading. The Pelicans have less than $12M in cap space, max, so the "scary" 4/$48M contract can't come into play if they frontload and the following years are even less. Maybe frontloading gives us $1-2M less to sign another free agent, but the fact of the matter is that if we want another big free agent (like Iguodala) we will have to amnesty Salmons AND trade away MT23 for beans (or possibly in a S&T). And at that point, we've got that $1-2M of latitude. Folks are speculating that it's frontloaded, but I'm not sure that really will bother us all that much.
Kingster
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One thing I didn't understand in DA's comments was that we were in dire straights for a passing 3. If there's one thing Salmons can do at the 3 is facilitate. Problem is, he can't do much else.
Kingster
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Apparently there is some disagreement about that (see above). I wonder how much they are getting paid for their "advice"?
rainmaker
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At first I thought it would be frontloaded, but now I think it's a poison pill. Something like 7/7/15/15 where even though we can go over the cap with Cuz it could push us right into luxury tax territory and considerably effect our flexibility.
Well, "poison pill" is definitely the wrong phrase - that refers to a situation where a player gets a big extension and is then traded before the extension takes effect (i.e. at a much lower salary than the average value of the future contract). In that case, the salary cap hit for the trade for the receiving team is the average salary over the remainder of the contract. But this is clearly not a poison pill.
It also can't be a "Gilbert Arenas Provision" contract - which is what the Rockets did for Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik last year, that $5M/$5M/$14M structure - because that provision only applies towards players who have only 1 or 2 years in the league and thus their teams don't have full Bird Rights for matching like we do for Tyreke.
In fact, I'm not really clear what sort of shenanigans the Pelicans could possibly pull, outside of giving Tyreke the max offer available given their cap space.
See my previous post. Doesn't apply.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Because last season was so encouraging for development for our players right?
Btw, I still believe in Trob. He's still got a few years to put it together
Ditto. I'd take him back for two 2nd round picks...
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
So it's because Reke has four years it's not a poison pill contract? Because it would be similar to what Hou did with Asik who was a RFA. But you're saying NO can't offer that kind of a contract and Hou could because Asik had two or less years in the league at that point?
Gary
All-Star
That's total worst case scenario for me. We NEED another ball handler if Reke is going to move to PG. I have season tickets and I don't want to go through another year of 15 team assists vs 13 TOs.
Two years ago I was giving away my tickets because I didn't have the heart to go to more than 1 game a week in most cases.
Dr. Spaceman
Bench
Well, "poison pill" is the wrong term, but, yes, the Pelicans cannot offer that sort of contract because Tyreke has more than two years in the league. As such, they can only offer the standard 4.5% raise. (link) In the end, the "big raise in year three" construction doesn't raise the total value of the contract - it's still limited by the offering team's cap space and maximum raises. The contract is just redistributed to allow a team with no Bird Rights on an RFA and only an MLE available to have the ability to match by restructuring the contract such that the MLE is sufficient.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Yes, I don't understand how that messes us up. I can see where it may benefit Arn Tellem but not his client.
Gary
All-Star
It wouldn't be the end of the world. We do have serviceable players. Evans will not walk though. There would be a sign and trade if anything. Lopez, and General Greivis would be fine.
Gary
All-Star
Sorry, I have to put my own .gif in there. No offense to Rock in any way here.. I just love this episode.
That would be worse than the team is now, with less likelihood of growing into something special. Vasquez/Mac/Salmons/JT/Cuz is weak defensively, has no one that can penetrate and lacks scorers. Mac would have to develop at a ridiculous rate to even approach the same low level of success we currently have.
It just feels like the few anti-Reke at PG crowd are so eager to have him gone that they haven't paid attention to the rest of the league the last few years.
With regards to Vasquez, NO thinks he is such a good player that they've now (if Reke signs) brought in 2 guys in less than a week to replace him. Think about that before we decide we're fine if he replaces Evans in the starting lineup.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Thanks for the info. So basically NO making the offer a deterrent to us matching is a load of BS.
