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Kobe needs 37 points for the scoring title. Could get interesting tonight!
[Game] Kings v Lakers - 4/26/12
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No Kobe tonight. Maybe no gasol or bynum either.
rainmaker
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All Lakers stars appear to be sitting out tonight. Sorry, but beating the Lakers C or D team while hurting draft position is not on my list of positives.
I can understand rooting for a win, and would, draft position be damned, if the Big 3 were playing. But beating their backups means nothing, and I hope this isn't a repeat of that last game of the year vs the Clips a few years ago which left us with Hawes instead of Noah.
I can understand rooting for a win, and would, draft position be damned, if the Big 3 were playing. But beating their backups means nothing, and I hope this isn't a repeat of that last game of the year vs the Clips a few years ago which left us with Hawes instead of Noah.
I'm in agreement but out of respect to those that would rather root for a win, I think we should keep these comments in the draft position thread. Just like I'd prefer fans looking for a win didn't clutter that thread with their comments. Just my two cents.
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Does that mean you won't be questioning every 30 seconds why Evans is not in the game?
And once again, it wasn't the win vs. the Clippers that got us Hawes. It was the lottery, and there is absolutely no way to show that we would have gotten the specific ping pong ball combination (or whatever it is) that ended up giving Chicago a higher draft pick than the Kings.
TyFreak Evans
Bench
This...
I still do not understand why more and more people are in favor of tanking. The NBA has implemented a fair system, in my opinion, of determining draft picks, and that is via the lottery. Its not like the more a team tanks, the higher their number of ping pong balls get. Its all a set number. Plus, when was the last time the team with the worst record in the NBA got the first pick?.....I like the system the way it is because it nullifies the act of tanking. Tanking guarantees absolute $hit when it comes to draft positioning....just my opinion...
Vlade4GM
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It guarantees better odds, and it guarantees a certain draft range. So you're wrong.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
This really is a fairly obvious one. Rooting for a win tonight is pretty much unintentionally rooting to damage your own team. One draft spot is bad enough, but you are talking about potentially sliding 4 spots. Consider what that would have done to us in the past? Instead of Tyreke we get to choose between Jordan Hill, Demar Derozan or Brandon Jennings. Instead of Cousins we get to go with Paul George or Gordon Hayward or Cole Aldrich.
Its not just about or even mainly about the odds of getting #1/#2/#3, its about how many slots you are guaranteed to lose if you miss out on those Top 3.
Even if the Lakers were, well, the Lakers it would still be damaging us. But this now is just a summer league scrimmage. You can't beat somebody who chooses not even to compete.
Its not just about or even mainly about the odds of getting #1/#2/#3, its about how many slots you are guaranteed to lose if you miss out on those Top 3.
Even if the Lakers were, well, the Lakers it would still be damaging us. But this now is just a summer league scrimmage. You can't beat somebody who chooses not even to compete.
Glenn
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We all have opinions. Some are misguided. Some brilliant. Some stir up more conversation and some squelch conversation. We all want different things human beings that we are. I hope unanimity of thought is not the the goal of a forum but then that's an opinion also, isn't it? 
Better odds don't necessarily work out though, do they? Face it. It's all a crap shoot and this tanking stuff doesn't guarantee crap.
Ah, but if my rooting for the Kings carried that much weight, we'd have at least two championships under our belts.
The game will be played and it's the players, coaches and officials who will determine how. And, in the end, the win/loss depends on them. What a number of people have been saying, me among them, is that on game day there is no reason for a fan not to root for their team to win. What do you want? For people to sit on their hands and not cheer because it might hurt the draft chances? You're mixing fan emotion with practical application and those two rarely mix well.
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
Tanking guarantees that your odds of a better pick are higher and that's it. It's all a statistical game and some people believe that having higher chances of a good choice is a good thing. Even craps is a statistical game.
Tanking guarantees that your odds of a better pick are higher and that's it. It's all a statistical game and some people believe that having higher chances of a good choice is a good thing. Even craps is a statistical game.
I'm well aware of odds of a better pick. I'm also well aware that if the best odds always won no one would ever go to a casino again.
rainmaker
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http://blogs.thescore.com/raptorblog/2012/04/26/lottery-positioning-on-the-line-tonight/
It's all about probability. Winning tonight vs losing, has a potential considerable effect on our draft odds. Not sure where the mystery is. Yes it's somewhat a crap shoot, but winning vs losing tonight can without question have an effect on our chances.
Like I said, I understand and would myself root to beat the Lakers. I however don't consider their 2nd-3rd string a representation of the Lakers, nor would beating them carry any significance to me. If you don't agree, you don't agree.
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TyFreak Evans
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The only "range" it guarantees is 1-4.
The only thing I disagree with is that it doesn't guarantee anything. If the whole lottery order was determined by chance and losing just increases your odds, I might agree. But since only the top 3 are "luck" based and your record determines every other position, winning one game vs moving down/up 3-4 spots makes a pretty big difference
Again, not correct. It determines where you draft in the entire lottery, not just the top spots.
TyFreak Evans
Bench
Wrong. The draft lottery only determines the top 3 picks in the NBA draft. All other teams draft based on record. With the Kings currently having the 4th worst record in the NBA, we will either draft in the top 3, number 4, or as low as 7, if either of those "teams" move into the lottery. By tanking and getting a record in the bottom 3, you are setting yourself up to pick no worse than 6th....so, if you "tank" yes your chances of getting 1-3 are higher, but you still can land anywhere in the 4-6 spots....so, technically, tanking guarantees $hit cuz you can still end up with the 6th draft pick....
Um, so you're saying that losing more games doesn't contribute to your draft range?
Glenn
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The lottery determines who can move into the top three spots and then every other pick is done by record. In the Tyreke draft we were the worst team but by odds, three teams moved into the top three spots so we were #4.
Ty Freak Evans is correct but you have to think about what he is saying a little.
Edit: Said in another way, if we finish #4, we have a certain chance of drafting #1. If we finish #5, we have slightly less chance of getting the #1 spot. I believe at one point even the team that finished #9 won the #1 pick. It has not been so common that the team with the worst record has actually drafted #1 but that's just odds. Over the course of a hundred drafts, the worst team in the league would have a 25% chance of getting the #1 pick.
Go to the place named Process. it's slighty below the half way point on the page. If you can figure it out you will find the percentage chances each team has of moving up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery
If you can't figure it out, join the crowd.
Ty Freak Evans is correct but you have to think about what he is saying a little.
Edit: Said in another way, if we finish #4, we have a certain chance of drafting #1. If we finish #5, we have slightly less chance of getting the #1 spot. I believe at one point even the team that finished #9 won the #1 pick. It has not been so common that the team with the worst record has actually drafted #1 but that's just odds. Over the course of a hundred drafts, the worst team in the league would have a 25% chance of getting the #1 pick.
Go to the place named Process. it's slighty below the half way point on the page. If you can figure it out you will find the percentage chances each team has of moving up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Lottery
If you can't figure it out, join the crowd.
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He's correct only if you care only about the top 3 positions, which are luck based. In my opinion, also not moving from 4-6 to 7-9 is also a big deal.
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That's the point we would of had their combination. It only really matters after the lotto and if you would of had a different set of numbers that moved up.
You're right about how the lottery works, but I don't agree with the conclusion you drew from it. If we have the fourth worst record the lottery might give us any pick from 1-7. If we start with the sixth worst record we could pick 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th. It's not so much the top 3 lottery spots that matter to me. I see 5 players in this draft that could become franchise cornerstones and if we end up in the third or fourth position before the lottery we have very good odds at getting one of them, whether our ping pong balls comes up or not (hint, they never do). If we finish 6th we have to win the lottery to have a shot at them.
But that's the last I'll say on the subject here. Whatever happens, happens. I'm mad at the Lakers for turning the game into a joke but they're the Lakers. If they didn't make me mad, the universe would fall out of alignment.
Glenn
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This is the bottom line whether anyone understands the lottory system or not.
The Kings are currently tied for 3/4/5. Let's imagine both New Orleans and Cleveland lose tonight. If we also lose, we will remain tied for 3/4/5. We would get exactly 121 lotto combos (as would NO/CLE) and there would be a coin flip to determine the pre-lottery standings - which would give us a possible draft range between 3-8 (pre coin flip) if we don't hit the lotto. If we win, we would tie for 5/6. We would get 75 or 76 combos and have a possible draft range of 5-9 (pre coin flip) if we don't hit the lotto. If you go to the trouble of calculating it all out, in the first scenario our avergae draft position would be 4.01, in the second, 5.11. So on average, that win would cost us one spot in the draft.
Mass
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I don't care about this game, I don't want to win it because it's going to hurt us. I won't get any excitement over a win against the Lakers second or third team. If I was Smart I would let Jimmer, Outlaw, Hayes and Garcia play the majority of the minutes. This season is over and a win is absolutely useless.
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