Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

Kings fans remember the losing culture that permeated this team for many years and not so long ago. So, as you throw out your "wish list" of players remember it is not a plug-and-play league, fit matters and some of the names being tossed around would probably not be a culture fit here.
 
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Two first round picks is rich but they’ll be mid first at best and we keep Huerter. Also I don’t know how else we get a big wing that’s a plus defender and can shoot.

Kings fans remember the losing culture that permeated this team for many years and not so long ago. So, as you throw out your "wish list" of players remember it is not a plug-and-play league, fit matters and some of the names being tossed around would probably not be a culture fit here.
True! I think most we’ve all agreed it fit the culture and team everyone is iffy on Lavine
 
Guess I haven’t paid enough attention to Bruce Brown, so don't know if he’s a good trade target.
Sounds like he would be a defensive upgrade to our current guards so if we’re going smaller moves Huerter and Davion maybe. Barnes at least provides size so hesitant to include him.
Sure hope this trade market doesn’t flame out. Too many teams, young and old passing us up.
 
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Brown would be a good defensive SG trade target to add to our list (Caruso, Thybulle, & O’Neale) but I think the higher priority is addressing PF.

Considering how much Brown makes, it would limit our flexibility when also trying to trade for an upgrade at PF (considering we only have so much filler salary to include to make the money work).
 
Apparently the Nets will be sellers at the deadline. The one realistic guy I would target from them is DFS. Sorta like a Barnes with better defense. Would be a great fit with us imo as he’s a low usage guy.

Do we think something like DFS for Mitchell/Duarte/2024 2nd would work? They get a young defensive minded PG to add to their rebuilding process, Duarte in there sort of as salary filler but also a flyer on a young guy, and a 2nd rounder to add to their draft capital. Kings get a good role player who helps address a weakness (defense) while also perfectly shooting their two stars (low usage + good shooter).
 
Apparently the Nets will be sellers at the deadline. The one realistic guy I would target from them is DFS. Sorta like a Barnes with better defense. Would be a great fit with us imo as he’s a low usage guy.

Do we think something like DFS for Mitchell/Duarte/2024 2nd would work? They get a young defensive minded PG to add to their rebuilding process, Duarte in there sort of as salary filler but also a flyer on a young guy, and a 2nd rounder to add to their draft capital. Kings get a good role player who helps address a weakness (defense) while also perfectly shooting their two stars (low usage + good shooter).
The asking price is 2 firsts. My guess is they will get one. I’m nervous about giving up a first for a role player and I’m not entirely convinced he is all that great on defense any more either. Admittedly I’ve only seen 3 or 4 of their games so I can’t say that with certainty.
 
Kings fans remember the losing culture that permeated this team for many years and not so long ago. So, as you throw out your "wish list" of players remember it is not a plug-and-play league, fit matters and some of the names being tossed around would probably not be a culture fit here.
who are you refering too?
 

Tetsujin

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The problem for the Nets is they don’t own their picks so they can’t really tank. If they trade Bridges they would get worse. I’d do it if available though
Yeah, the Nets are the poster child (and somehow have been for the last two decades if you count the KG/Pierce trade) for the worst case scenario for all-in trades. I don't think they've cleanly owned their own pick in the draft in consecutive years since sometime during the Bush administration.
 

pdxKingsFan

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So serious question, would you folks rather have Siakam for 5 years after this year at age 30 31 32 33 34 for around 55 million a year or Lavine at age 29 30 and 31 for around 45?
If things in Chicago are so dire that they are going to pay to get off his contract, and we can get assets from them for more movable pieces, I take that deal.

Honestly prefer Grant/Thybulle, some kind of DFS deal, or another guy who can be 4th or 5th starter without everyone complaining that our 4th/5th starter isn't playing at an all-NBA level.
 

Tetsujin

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So serious question, would you folks rather have Siakam for 5 years after this year at age 30 31 32 33 34 for around 55 million a year or Lavine at age 29 30 and 31 for around 45?
I think it depends on how cheap Lavine could be had. I'm not sure there's a franchise out there willing to just throw a gift basket of first round picks and one of the better role players in the league at the Bulls for Lavine like the Pacers were for Siakam.
 

pdxKingsFan

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I think it depends on how cheap Lavine could be had. I'm not sure there's a franchise out there willing to just throw a gift basket of first round picks and one of the better role players in the league at the Bulls for Lavie like the Pacers were for Siakam.
The rumored "deals" for Mikal with Huerter and a similar pick basket are far more enticing although that's where you again get to the part where he's going to be held up to some impossible standard. And I pity whoever the 5th starter is.
 

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So serious question, would you folks rather have Siakam for 5 years after this year at age 30 31 32 33 34 for around 55 million a year or Lavine at age 29 30 and 31 for around 45?
It's an easy no to both for me, even if they only cost $30 million per. These guys represent everything wrong with the "super team" strategy -- just adding up box scores and assuming you've built a winner. If I'm paying decent money for a starting SG or PF to play with Fox/Murray/Sabonis they better be strong culture players who will do all the dirty work (screen setting, crashing the boards, camping in the corner, chasing guards and wings around screens, moving without the ball) without hunting individual stats. I dnn't think we'd be getting that with Siakam or Lavine.
 
I think it depends on how cheap Lavine could be had. I'm not sure there's a franchise out there willing to just throw a gift basket of first round picks and one of the better role players in the league at the Bulls for Lavie like the Pacers were for Siakam.
Let’s say it’s HB, KVon, Davion and second rounders. The biggest downside is the potential Monk angle and the fact that we don’t have any salary left to trade for a defensive 4. I wonder if we would have our full mid level if we do a deal like that
 

pdxKingsFan

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It's an easy no to both for me, even if they only cost $30 million per. These guys represent everything wrong with the "super team" strategy -- just adding up box scores and assuming you've built a winner. If I'm paying decent money for a starting SG or PF to play with Fox/Murray/Sabonis they better be strong culture players who will do all the dirty work (screen setting, crashing the boards, camping in the corner, chasing guards and wings around screens, moving without the ball) without hunting individual stats. I dnn't think we'd be getting that with Siakam or Lavine.
exactly it's 2k or fantasy level stuff not team building. I don't know why folks are wanting to blow up a promising team just 1.5 years into it with the hope we'll get an extra 30 seconds on Sportscenter. This is Sacramento, it won't happen.
 
It's an easy no to both for me, even if they only cost $30 million per. These guys represent everything wrong with the "super team" strategy -- just adding up box scores and assuming you've built a winner. If I'm paying decent money for a starting SG or PF to play with Fox/Murray/Sabonis they better be strong culture players who will do all the dirty work (screen setting, crashing the boards, camping in the corner, chasing guards and wings around screens, moving without the ball) without hunting individual stats. I dnn't think we'd be getting that with Siakam or Lavine.
To me a super team is largely made up of 3 stars that all do the same thing and try to make it work. I’m not really making an argument for Lavine but Fox, Sabonis, Keegan and Lavine all get their points and shots in a different way so there isn’t the redundancy. You can still fill that 5th starter with a defensive role player. Historically championship teams have a top 5 player, which we don’t have. How do we overcome that? I don’t know that I have the answer, I’m just unconvinced two defensive role players added to our current team gets it done. Now if Keegan goes 2 levels higher that’s a different conversation.
 
The rumored "deals" for Mikal with Huerter and a similar pick basket are far more enticing although that's where you again get to the part where he's going to be held up to some impossible standard. And I pity whoever the 5th starter is.
yeh the 5th starter in any of these scenarios is going to be elite defensively or he will take the HB thrown. SGOTH scape goat of the game we can call it. Haha
 
exactly it's 2k or fantasy level stuff not team building. I don't know why folks are wanting to blow up a promising team just 1.5 years into it with the hope we'll get an extra 30 seconds on Sportscenter. This is Sacramento, it won't happen.
The typical method has always been 3 stars. Or at least it has been for the last number of years. That's really the only way to make sure that very boxscore isn't the thing that destroys you when putting in role guys where you need them without the talent first. The Kings are unique because the 2 stars are Fox and Domas but Domas really plays more like the PG. He has stretches of dominating offensively but it's up and down. With a Domas you want as much talent next to him IMO because of how he can make it work. Then with Keegan turning moreso into the teams 3 and D guy all you need is one prime talent and another defender to go with Keegan and in theory you're done. And the person looking to improve this team and not sit on his hands is Monte himself. This isn't some young team full of 22 year olds and as of now the team looks to have somewhat peaked in season 2 as the competition has risen around them.
 

pdxKingsFan

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The typical method has always been 3 stars. Or at least it has been for the last number of years. That's really the only way to make sure that very boxscore isn't the thing that destroys you when putting in role guys where you need them without the talent first. The Kings are unique because the 2 stars are Fox and Domas but Domas really plays more like the PG. He has stretches of dominating offensively but it's up and down. With a Domas you want as much talent next to him IMO because of how he can make it work. Then with Keegan turning moreso into the teams 3 and D guy all you need is one prime talent and another defender to go with Keegan and in theory you're done. And the person looking to improve this team and not sit on his hands is Monte himself. This isn't some young team full of 22 year olds and as of now the team looks to have somewhat peaked in season 2 as the competition has risen around them.
A lot of "big 3s" are also absolute trash. Arguably the teams winning championships were largely built from within, Miami Heat and LAL have particular advantages other teams assembling stars don't have and we certainly don't and never will.

But it really feels like we are reaching for a "third star" and not looking for a guy who can contribute to what we are already doing in many of these scenarios. If we got the right pieces and win 3 out of 4 in say 2026-2029 (ie starting 2.5 seasons from now) I am sure Keegan would be Star 3.
 
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