Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

You are probably right but Thybulle is averaging 6 points a game so it’s hard to know what his market will be. A first is going to be pretty rich for most teams unless it’s Okc. Goga is tough for Orlando because unless something changes he is their 3rd center and is a pending free agent. I’m sure Orlando would like to re-sign him but how much cash can you give the third guy?

How about a 3 way with Portland and Orlando.

Kings get Thybulle and Goga
Orlando gets Kvon
Portland gets filler and Jett Howard
That's a bit more even. Probably still tilted in the Kings favor. I'd have to think about that one. I feel like we don't appreciate Huerter enough because his inconsistency can be quite noticeable but his streaks of good play tend to go a bit under the radar. It would really suck to lose that DHO play with Sabonis but our defense would be much improved.

I agree that Goga could be the odd man out in ORL but they'll probably have a handful of trade suitors out there for him. Guess it'll depend on whether or not their offers are better than ours.
 
You are probably right but Thybulle is averaging 6 points a game so it’s hard to know what his market will be. A first is going to be pretty rich for most teams unless it’s Okc. Goga is tough for Orlando because unless something changes he is their 3rd center and is a pending free agent. I’m sure Orlando would like to re-sign him but how much cash can you give the third guy?

How about a 3 way with Portland and Orlando.

Kings get Thybulle and Goga
Orlando gets Kvon
Portland gets filler and Jett Howard
I don’t know anything about Goga except for what i’ve read since your proposed trade. Still, I kind of like it. Low profile moves that should improve our defence.
Wish I was more keen on Huerter, unfortunately from what i’ve seen he comes up short the majority of the time.
 
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That's a bit more even. Probably still tilted in the Kings favor. I'd have to think about that one. I feel like we don't appreciate Huerter enough because his inconsistency can be quite noticeable but his streaks of good play tend to go a bit under the radar. It would really suck to lose that DHO play with Sabonis but our defense would be much improved.

I agree that Goga could be the odd man out in ORL but they'll probably have a handful of trade suitors out there for him. Guess it'll depend on whether or not their offers are better than ours.
yeh ima KVon fan and don’t want to trade him but ultimately someone outside of the core is likely to be moved in the next year or two. This trade helps Orlando because they desperately need shooting, it helps the Kings because our defense could take a jump and a low usage 3 point shooter who can guard the other teams best player would be the absolute perfect fit if Monte really does plan on trying to add offensive fire power at one of our two “open” positions. Portland gets a shooting prospect which they need to surround some of those potential non shooters they have.
 
Oh you assuredly lose Monk. I don't think you could afford a $100 mil back-court (after Fox extension) and like $20+ mil to Monk. And the fact that we have to plan for Keegs extension and Fox extension to kick in the same season. Again, not entirely sure how the new CBA works, but with one large contract on the books (Domas) we very likely can't afford another giant contract in addition to what Keegs and Fox are going to get.
Well, one thing is for sure, you can't add that contract later without those 2nd apron rules making it very difficult. If Monte were concerned about any big deals he wouldn't be looking at the names he supposedly is and he most certainly wouldn't have looked at Beal this summer. There's plenty of time for Monte to figure it out over the next 2-3 years or so and if Monte did go all in on a big name and the Kings aren't a clear contender by that point, a shift in direction is probably going to happen anyway. Whether Monte pays that money to 1 player or splits it between Harrison/Huerter/Lyles, most of that money is still on his cap unless he's just willing to let two core pieces fall off the books for cap relief reasons. If he is would I bet that he's not looking to overpay Monk either. Plenty of actual contenders structure their cap into mostly 4-5 players so I think Monte doing that himself is what he's looking at. The real issue is when you start paying 8-10% of your cap in players 8-12 down your rotation. If Monte can build a legit 4-5 talent core like you see with teams like the Bucks or Celtics you can then do what those teams do and fill out your role guy spots with cheaper specialist types.
 
I don’t know, but a DNP last night along with serious reduced minutes for Davion, and only 15 minutes for Huerter after stinking things up, thinking a trade for LaVine might be in the cards.
Now im not a huge LaVine advocate for all the reasons often mentioned, but he is going to get traded somewhere. That seems pretty certain but then again I have read he’s not generating much interest at the Orlando G league showcase.
If Monte‘s prioritising offense, there you go. I just don’t want any move that would jeopardise resigning Monk.
 
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Fox and Monk together require specific lineups to work (there's around 100 minutes of play with different lineups containing this pair that was no better than -10 points/100 possessions). Pairing any of them with Lavine would likely require the same careful consideration and you can't play your 40+ million player less than 30 minutes. There's not enough touches already with Murray emerging behind Fox, Sabonis and Monk, so it will be hard to insert another 25+USG% for 35 minutes in this offense. It just doesn't make sense.

Davion cannot run NBA offense. Any minutes given to him are massively negative. He was a very old college junior and didn't pan out. It's time to rip the bandaid, hopefully find some team willing to trade second-rounder or at least cap space for him. Don't think DNP for him is any sign other than he's done.
 
Fox and Monk together require specific lineups to work (there's around 100 minutes of play with different lineups containing this pair that was no better than -10 points/100 possessions). Pairing any of them with Lavine would likely require the same careful consideration and you can't play your 40+ million player less than 30 minutes. There's not enough touches already with Murray emerging behind Fox, Sabonis and Monk, so it will be hard to insert another 25+USG% for 35 minutes in this offense. It just doesn't make sense.

Davion cannot run NBA offense. Any minutes given to him are massively negative. He was a very old college junior and didn't pan out. It's time to rip the bandaid, hopefully find some team willing to trade second-rounder or at least cap space for him. Don't think DNP for him is any sign other than he's done.
All 3 of Fox, Monk, and LaVine can all run point so it should be fine in theory. Brown likes guard lineups, so it would likely be better than anything he's run in the past.

The idea should be based around the potential for Fox to have to carry the team a little less and score a little easier when he does have his looks. The Celtics for example have two players in Tatum and Brown in the high 20's or low 30's in usg%. Right now Fox is nearing mid 30's and Monk is next at 24. By Monte going for a star you would just shift some of the usage from both the players traded and Fox along with potentially some of the other players on your roster to that new weapon. It's very doable. I would also highly doubt that LaVine is delusional enough to think his role if going to another team with a winning record is going to be increased to a number 1 option level. This season and for the last 3 seasons LaVine has been high 20's to mid 20's. His usage this season is a tick above Monk now.

Now, if it becomes an argument about Monk vs. LaVine, to me, they are totally different players. Monk is bench punch and darn good at it just from an energy standpoint. The big thing I still think is their ability to score outside of an offense and that's obviously what the Kings need come playoff time. Monk this season is in the 13th percentile right now in isolation although his usual years are quite a bit better, still historically he's always been around a Poole/JR Smith level. You probably can't rely on that to be your 2nd option long term if you can just keep what is working (and Monk as a 6th man is) and add to it. Monk's FG% and EFG% are pretty low across the board at around 24% and 28% although, yes usually a bit higher. In contrast Fox is in the 86th percentile and is between 50-60% on his shooting percentages in iso. LaVine is having a down year but even in his down year he's in the 43rd percential and shooting around 38% in FG% and near 47% EFG%. Last year LaVine was near Fox level on his iso stats. That said, it's not a totally fair argument since Monk is a bench player which is usually harder since you come in cold and sometimes see your minutes flucctuate. Still, when LaVine was mostly coming off the bench in his 2nd year, he was still in the 72nd percentile.
 
The Blazers are a team to keep eye on at the deadline. They have a weird roster and it’s not clear who they plan to build around and who they might want to sell off. Is the core Simons, Scoot, Sharpe and whoever they draft this year? Simons has increased his scoring each year, is great from 3 and is only 24. He could pair well with Scoot because it’s likely Henderson can be elite on defense. Scoots shooting is mostly terrible though. Sharpe doesn’t have great bbiq from what I can tell but could be elite if it comes together. He is like Jalen Green right now though, more wow than impact. In theory Scoot, Simons, Sharpe, Grant and Ayton is a good starting 5 with enough time but what do they do with Thybulle? I think he is most effective on a team as a super low usage 5th starter for a team that has enough offense to off set him. What about MB? Time Lord? What about some of the younger wings who don’t see the court? Assuming the Blazers end up with a top 5 pick, where will he play? I’m guessing Portland holds on to these vets until next year but a few of them would look good on the kings
 
after the blazers game and some others here lately we need another scoring option. Aside from Fox and Sabonis everybody else is very inconsistent yes even the beloved Keegan Murray. He averages 15pts a game but has had 7 games this year with less than 10. after these last few games it is apparent that we need another scoring option. lavine looks good at this point
 
after the blazers game and some others here lately we need another scoring option. Aside from Fox and Sabonis everybody else is very inconsistent yes even the beloved Keegan Murray. He averages 15pts a game but has had 7 games this year with less than 10. after these last few games it is apparent that we need another scoring option. lavine looks good at this point
Kings fans are so funny. The Blazers have one of the worst offenses in the league. They have the 4th worst offensive rating. They score the 2nd fewest points per game. If the Kings do no better than hold the Blazers to their average, the Kings would have managed to win last night in spite of their poor shooting. The problem, as always, is on the defensive end. Bringing in Zach Effing LaVine, who a preposterous number of Kings fans keep clamoring for, will do nothing to correct the problem that haunts this team on nights like last night. If they can find a way to be at least a middling defensive team, their offense can absorb poor shooting nights. If they perform like a bottom-5 defensive team, it doesn't matter how much firepower they have when they're giving up 50/40/80 shooting splits to one of the worst teams in the NBA.
 
Kings fans are so funny. The Blazers have one of the worst offenses in the league. They have the 4th worst offensive rating. They score the 2nd fewest points per game. If the Kings do no better than hold the Blazers to their average, the Kings would have managed to win last night in spite of their poor shooting. The problem, as always, is on the defensive end. Bringing in Zach Effing LaVine, who a preposterous number of Kings fans keep clamoring for, will do nothing to correct the problem that haunts this team on nights like last night. If they can find a way to be at least a middling defensive team, their offense can absorb poor shooting nights. If they perform like a bottom-5 defensive team, it doesn't matter how much firepower they have when they're giving up 50/40/80 shooting splits to one of the worst teams in the NBA.
well normally i would agree. but Lavine is not worse than Kevin on defense and at the moment it way better. we can't depend on 70 points from 2 guys. If the thought was taking out a defensive juggernaut and replacing with Lavine i agree with you. but this is Kevin Huerter
 
on another note i would take Duarte starting the sg spot if we got Siakam. ideally for me would be starters of Fox, Lavine, Murray, Edwards, Sabonis or Fox, Duarte, Murray, Siakam, Sabonis. both require the trading of both Barnes and Huerter. I think both of those lineups actually improve our defense.
 
well normally i would agree. but Lavine is not worse than Kevin on defense and at the moment it way better. we can't depend on 70 points from 2 guys. If the thought was taking out a defensive juggernaut and replacing with Lavine i agree with you. but this is Kevin Huerter
Ya I was off on Lavine as well but it’s not like the defense gets worse going from Huerter to him. I don’t even know who’s available that can dramatically help our defense a guy like OG we’d have to overspend then overpay who else is available. We need a third scorer Keegan ain’t that guy right now
 
Kings fans are so funny. The Blazers have one of the worst offenses in the league. They have the 4th worst offensive rating. They score the 2nd fewest points per game. If the Kings do no better than hold the Blazers to their average, the Kings would have managed to win last night in spite of their poor shooting. The problem, as always, is on the defensive end. Bringing in Zach Effing LaVine, who a preposterous number of Kings fans keep clamoring for, will do nothing to correct the problem that haunts this team on nights like last night. If they can find a way to be at least a middling defensive team, their offense can absorb poor shooting nights. If they perform like a bottom-5 defensive team, it doesn't matter how much firepower they have when they're giving up 50/40/80 shooting splits to one of the worst teams in the NBA.


The big thing is you go with what's real and possible at some point, like Beal for example, 2 end stars aren't out there for sale right now and rarely are. If the Kings don't want to move mountains asset wise then the Zach Effing LaVine's are probably the only way unfortunately. If you sacrifice talent to gain defense what do you do then? Replace talent with a role guy like KZ Okpala? Could work, but in reality the way you can fit players like that on your roster is to make sure you have your scoring shored up in fewer players so you can stack those defenders on your roster and not watch your talent/offense suffer too much. OG being a target makes a lot of sense though because although not much better than Barnes offensively, and in terms of pure skill to score on their own OG's nothing by comparison, he's productive and a much better defender obviously. The problem is right now there is a Zach LaVine dangling for what sounds like not a lot of value. Big wing defenders that can score, nope, OG and that's about it right now and we know that value is probably going to be stupid level. Like Keegan Murray level. Which should be a heck no from Monte. Keegan is projecting to be a better shooting version of OG with probably the same production. That's 2 steps forward, 2 steps back probably.

The Kings win on offense. The stats back it up just by the ginormous deviation in scoring between wins and losses. I think it's pretty clear with those stats that the Kings offense dictates their defense. And it should considering the type of team they are, when you don't hit 3's you're just giving teams chances to pound you back. If the Kings were winning or losing based on defense they wouldn't be scoring 125 in wins and -20 in losses.
 
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Ya I was off on Lavine as well but it’s not like the defense gets worse going from Huerter to him. I don’t even know who’s available that can dramatically help our defense a guy like OG we’d have to overspend then overpay who else is available. We need a third scorer Keegan ain’t that guy right now
I still think the better way of looking at it is whether or not Keegan SHOULD be that guy. Him continuing to be a system guy offensively and a defender on the other end is one of the only reasons the Kings are the 6 or so positions ahead of last season in defensive rating. Let him shoot 3's and lock guys up if you can find another star.
 
The offense vs defense is an interesting argument. Does one player that is elite-ish at one or the other put us in contention? If we add one plus defender does that make us a top 10-15 unit? 3 out of our current top 8 rotational players would be considered plus defenders and all three of them are probably just over the plus line. Conversely does one elite offensive player put us back into the best ever offense range? Are we resting on our laurels from last year on that end? We currently are not a top ten offense last time I looked (which admittedly was last week). Back to defense. Let’s say we traded for Thybulle and DFS. Does this team put us in contention if Keegan lands at 20 ish points a game?:

Fox Ellis
Thybulle Monk
Keegan Sasha
DFS Lyles
Sabonis Len

To me the answer is probably one offensive player that gives us a different look and 2 defensive role players. We as a fan base complain about living and dying by the three but Monte built the team around Paint Monsters Domas/Fox and surrounded them with movement/stationary shooters. We either need to be a team that shoots 38 percent from 3 as a team or we need to mix up our roster construction a bit.
 

kingsboi

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Ya I was off on Lavine as well but it’s not like the defense gets worse going from Huerter to him. I don’t even know who’s available that can dramatically help our defense a guy like OG we’d have to overspend then overpay who else is available. We need a third scorer Keegan ain’t that guy right now
I think the best approach right now would be to simply give more minutes to the defenders on your roster such as Davion and Kess, sure, the offense may sputter a bit but if you are looking for some effort on that end, those two will provide it until Monte and crew can possibly nab a 3 and D player at the deadline and/or in the off season.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
The big thing is you go with what's real and possible at some point, like Beal for example, 2 end stars aren't out there for sale right now and rarely are. If the Kings don't want to move mountains asset wise then the Zach Effing LaVine's are probably the only way unfortunately. If you sacrifice talent to gain defense what do you do then? Replace talent with a role guy like KZ Okpala? Could work, but in reality the way you can fit players like that on your roster is to make sure you have your scoring shored up in fewer players so you can stack those defenders on your roster and not watch your talent/offense suffer too much. OG being a target makes a lot of sense though because although not much better than Barnes offensively, and in terms of pure skill to score on their own OG's nothing by comparison, he's productive and a much better defender obviously. The problem is right now there is a Zach LaVine dangling for what sounds like not a lot of value. Big wing defenders that can score, nope, OG and that's about it right now and we know that value is probably going to be stupid level. Like Keegan Murray level. Which should be a heck no from Monte. Keegan is projecting to be a better shooting version of OG with probably the same production. That's 2 steps forward, 2 steps back probably.

The Kings win on offense. The stats back it up just by the ginormous deviation in scoring between wins and losses. I think it's pretty clear with those stats that the Kings offense dictates their defense. And it should considering the type of team they are, when you don't hit 3's you're just giving teams chances to pound you back. If the Kings were winning or losing based on defense they wouldn't be scoring 125 in wins and -20 in losses.
reason I'd love Lavine on the roster would be another shot creator at 6'5 so Fox & Sabonis don't have to go out there and score 30 each just to be in games when the rest don't come to play. The defense isn't getting any better anyway and Lavine has stated or perhaps his agent has that he would welcome a move to Sac. If Brown managed to get Wiggins to play some defense, why not Zach? may take some time and consistent harping but going after a OG would simply cost too much and he's a FA anyway so go after him in the summer.
 
reason I'd love Lavine on the roster would be another shot creator at 6'5 so Fox & Sabonis don't have to go out there and score 30 each just to be in games when the rest don't come to play. The defense isn't getting any better anyway and Lavine has stated or perhaps his agent has that he would welcome a move to Sac. If Brown managed to get Wiggins to play some defense, why not Zach? may take some time and consistent harping but going after a OG would simply cost too much and he's a FA anyway so go after him in the summer.
If he could get those guys to play better defense, why not Monk? I'd rather move him into the starting lineup and find someone else on a much better deal, to take his scorers spot in the second unit
 
The offense vs defense is an interesting argument. Does one player that is elite-ish at one or the other put us in contention? If we add one plus defender does that make us a top 10-15 unit? 3 out of our current top 8 rotational players would be considered plus defenders and all three of them are probably just over the plus line. Conversely does one elite offensive player put us back into the best ever offense range? Are we resting on our laurels from last year on that end? We currently are not a top ten offense last time I looked (which admittedly was last week). Back to defense. Let’s say we traded for Thybulle and DFS. Does this team put us in contention if Keegan lands at 20 ish points a game?:

Fox Ellis
Thybulle Monk
Keegan Sasha
DFS Lyles
Sabonis Len

To me the answer is probably one offensive player that gives us a different look and 2 defensive role players. We as a fan base complain about living and dying by the three but Monte built the team around Paint Monsters Domas/Fox and surrounded them with movement/stationary shooters. We either need to be a team that shoots 38 percent from 3 as a team or we need to mix up our roster construction a bit.

Good questions. I think from what it appears Monte is looking at he's trying to build for the playoffs and from what he's been looking at apparently that means scoring power. Being the best offensive team ever last season got him a 1st round exit to what appears to be a Warriors team on the back end of their run as the Kings system partially failed once the real season started. Dropping nearly to the middle of the pack offensively although the defense technically did rise to around the middle at one point during the playoffs. One thing is for sure if rumors are true, Monte is looking to keep his "core" of Fox, Domas, and Keegan intact. Once any GM does that not only is he subject to what's actually out there to bid on but then limited to what he does have for trade and what that could fetch of the lot currently available.

That lineup is interesting, certainly has defense, and it could work, but it would certainly be dependent on Keegan being a legit number 2 option IMO. The thing is what would it take to make it happen and what if it ended up being a question of talent still holding the team back in the end? Then you're kind of stuck. LaVine is out there dangling and we know if healthy he can be a 1/2 option and the Kings likely keep all their picks in a deal for him and could move non system damaging pieces to make it happen leaving other options open down the line. And Keegan is looking a bit like a better scoring Finney-Smith right now. It looks like the plan is for Brown to turn Keegan into what he's becoming, that 3 and D need guy. I think LaVine on the cheap could be a more realistic path to building the same basic function albeit less dramatic individually than with Thybulle, DFS, and Keegan, but at different positions.

Fox, Ellis
LaVine, Monk
Murray, Sasha
(3 and D role player), Lyles
Sabons, Len

Make no bones about it, I think the incentive for the Kings to look at LaVine over OG or Siakam is that you don't have to give up much to get him. Now, if it were a question of near the same packages going out, he'd be distant 3rd on the list for me.
 
If he could get those guys to play better defense, why not Monk? I'd rather move him into the starting lineup and find someone else on a much better deal, to take his scorers spot in the second unit
Why potentially break one of the few things working though? Monk has been a great 6th man. I posted the iso stats above, and while that could certainly change with Monk as a starter, LaVine has a proven track record of being a true all star level starter in the exact ways the Kings need some help in. Heck, we know Brown loves his G lineups so who knows, you might end up with Fox, Monk, and LaVine starting in a super gimmicky nuclear lineup, haha.
 
Good questions. I think from what it appears Monte is looking at he's trying to build for the playoffs and from what he's been looking at apparently that means scoring power. Being the best offensive team ever last season got him a 1st round exit to what appears to be a Warriors team on the back end of their run as the Kings system partially failed once the real season started. Dropping nearly to the middle of the pack offensively although the defense technically did rise to around the middle at one point during the playoffs. One thing is for sure if rumors are true, Monte is looking to keep his "core" of Fox, Domas, and Keegan intact. Once any GM does that not only is he subject to what's actually out there to bid on but then limited to what he does have for trade and what that could fetch of the lot currently available.

That lineup is interesting, certainly has defense, and it could work, but it would certainly be dependent on Keegan being a legit number 2 option IMO. The thing is what would it take to make it happen and what if it ended up being a question of talent still holding the team back in the end? Then you're kind of stuck. LaVine is out there dangling and we know if healthy he can be a 1/2 option and the Kings likely keep all their picks in a deal for him and could move non system damaging pieces to make it happen leaving other options open down the line. And Keegan is looking a bit like a better scoring Finney-Smith right now. It looks like the plan is for Brown to turn Keegan into what he's becoming, that 3 and D need guy. I think LaVine on the cheap could be a more realistic path to building the same basic function albeit less dramatic individually than with Thybulle, DFS, and Keegan, but at different positions.

Fox, Ellis
LaVine, Monk
Murray, Sasha
(3 and D role player), Lyles
Sabons, Len

Make no bones about it, I think the incentive for the Kings to look at LaVine over OG or Siakam is that you don't have to give up much to get him. Now, if it were a question of near the same packages going out, he'd be distant 3rd on the list for me.
Are they likely to pay Lavine and Monk next season?
 

kingsboi

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Without ever trying him as a starter, how do we know he couldn't do just as well or even better, on this team at this stage of his career with more experience?
too small and the defense would get even worse, the bench would then lose a playmaker and scorer in the process while taking shots away from Fox and Domas, unless he has games where he doesn't want to shoot and the shot distribution goes to Huerter, Murray and Barnes.
 
too small and the defense would get even worse, the bench would then lose a playmaker and scorer in the process while taking shots away from Fox and Domas, unless he has games where he doesn't want to shoot and the shot distribution goes to Huerter, Murray and Barnes.
Are you thinking that LaVine wouldn't take shots away from the starting unit? Adding any quality scorer is likely to redistribute the shot selection
 
Are they likely to pay Lavine and Monk next season?
I wouldn't see why not unless Monk is demanding to be a starter. I brought this up before, Monk's started exactly ZERO games for the Kings. And that's when injuries and even perhaps common sense made it seem super likely at certain points. I think it says a lot when it comes to Browns view of him, he's his "Manu". LaVine to me just seems like the cheapest and easiest path right now. Won't cost many assets and will help Fox offensively. Sure, there are obvious downsides, but that's why he should be cheap trade wise.

Regardless of what the split is paying Monk still means that money LaVine is making is on your cap somewhere else anyway. It's just a lot better looking on the cap since it's split up into more players. LaVine is basically a quick SG upgrade in the same basic offensive focused direction as the one you have now, and perhaps so much so that the player next to Keegan only has to do one thing, defend. PJ Tucker types flourish next to talent, next to not enough scoring/talent and teams will practically give them away at some point. Thybulle being a prime example of a recent one.
 
Are you thinking that LaVine wouldn't take shots away from the starting unit? Adding any quality scorer is likely to redistribute the shot selection
True, but you have to lay it out in terms of what actually might happen once you have a player that you can rely on for 33-36 mpg and what the traded players shots being redistributed looks like.

A huge chunk of LaVine's shots already come from Kevin Huerter. Per 36 Huerter is taking between 13-14 shots per game on the Kings. LaVine hovers around 18-19 most years and one would assume that probably goes down a bit on the Kings. If you put a role guy next to Keegan you're likely getting a few from there as well.

A trade like this is basically just about condensing what's already there into something more meaningful individually. The salary is already there, the shots are there, they're just going to 2-3 different players who seem to be losing footing within the team's structure offensively anyway.