Kings trade rumor SZN 2023-2024 edition!

[206Fan]

.430 3PAr
.566 TS
.275 FTr

Thats pretty close to living and dying by the 3.

That’s based off an 18 game sample size from this year, but he’s consistently played better than those numbers.

I think it’d be more fair to look at his last year averages of:

• .392 3PAr
• .607 TS
• .308 FTr
  If you watch any LaVine games, he’s not reliant on the 3ball to fall. He scored in a wide-variety of ways, but just happens to be a solid/good 3pt shooter too. Saying he lives and dies by the 3s is wrong.

 

[SacTownKid]

Sure, but you act as if what you hope will happen with the roster is being authorized by the Kings' GM himself when the only evidence available comes from speculative media reports. The only all-star Monte has traded for during his tenure with the Kings is Domantas Sabonis, a player Monte was not connected to prior to that trade's execution. What the media reports and what is happening behind closed doors are often very different things, so let's not pretend that Monte is obviously star-hunting when the media reports that the Kings are connected to other teams' depreciated assets. We've seen this game played before, where the Kings get used in the media as leverage to secure a better situation for an agent's client.

My hope? I'm simply going by what's been reported and going by what actually happened. Personally, I agree with Monte if this is his goal. The results so far in the Kings current playoff run give reason to it as well. And the Kings were connected to Sabonis from what I remember, just everyone didn't expect Hali to the the guy going back.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/report-kings-interested-in-sabonis-trade-would-put-fox-in-deal

 

[Joshoua]

If I hear Lavine sorry ass name again

 

[206Fan]

Kings are the 3rd highest scoring team in the west but 12th in points given up.

We sure they need a 3rd scorer? I'm thinking 3&D is probably more necessary with Monk and Keegan trading 3rd scorer duties lately.

3&D is a big need but there’s not anyone realistically available. No one in the league is looking to give up 3&D wings unfortunately

 

[206Fan]

Kings are the 3rd highest scoring team in the west but 12th in points given up.

We sure they need a 3rd scorer? I'm thinking 3&D is probably more necessary with Monk and Keegan trading 3rd scorer duties lately.

I would also like a 3&D player, but it seems like all the teams are holding onto them. The best one out there is OG, but he doesn’t want to come here (he’s a pending FA), and Masai wants Keegan (lol).

The playoffs, that's the bar. The offense could translate this season, but it clearly didn't last season once the playoffs started. Monte is trying to make sure that doesn't happen again.

Yeah that’s where I am at too. This is almost the same exact team as last season, and it wasn’t good enough to make it out of the first round. The “best offensive of all time” faltered in the playoffs once the 3pt shots stopped falling. We need another answer somewhere. Maybe Keegan becomes it, but I don’t think you can literally shut down any trades featuring an All-Star level SG because you’re content with an offense that got knocked out in the first round.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Is Bey on the block? I onl he’s an impending FA. He’d be a great fit

 

[iowamcnabb]

Is Bey on the block? I onl he’s an impending FA. He’d be a great fit

Atlanta is a bit of a mess salary wise so not sure they want to sign another non star wing long term considering all the others they have. I am predicting Siakam lands there so maybe Bey goes back in a trade for him or maybe we can somehow be a third team in a trade like that and take back a surplus wing.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Amick said he was surprised to hear that the Kings appear to be looking for more offense as opposed to defense. I don’t think he confirmed the Lavine thing but he said the interest could be the price tag and the team control. He was also in agreement that could cost us Monk in the off season. If Monte pulls the trigger on Lavine I’ll talk myself into it but its hard to see him making a big change defensively at the age of 28/29

 

[hrdboild]

Amick said he was surprised to hear that the Kings appear to be looking for more offense as opposed to defense. I don’t think he confirmed the Lavine thing but he said the interest could be the price tag and the team control. He was also in agreement that could cost us Monk in the off season. If Monte pulls the trigger on Lavine I’ll talk myself into it but its hard to see him making a big change defensively at the age of 28/29

It's hard to know what's real and what's just speculation. Was our supposed interest in Bradley Beal, Kyle Kuzma and Jerami Grant in the off-season for real or agent posturing? If it was real that does suggest we could still be looking for offense -- at least in our high-ticket roster moves. Considering how little this front office had to give up to acquire guys like Kessler Edwards, Keon Ellis, and (dare I hope) Stanley Johnson -- the idea could be that it's far cheaper to add defensive role-players around a high-scoring core group than to find affordable two-way stars or invest heavily in defensive specialists. I buy that as a concept but most of the defensive role-players we've brought in have just been stuck on the bench and/or shuttled to the G-League so it hasn't exactly worked out for us so far.

 

[SacTownKid]

Amick said he was surprised to hear that the Kings appear to be looking for more offense as opposed to defense. I don’t think he confirmed the Lavine thing but he said the interest could be the price tag and the team control. He was also in agreement that could cost us Monk in the off season. If Monte pulls the trigger on Lavine I’ll talk myself into it but its hard to see him making a big change defensively at the age of 28/29

The thing is if you add pure defense, what does it cost you? 2 way superstars ain't happening with the Kings trade pieces. Creating a legit 3 level all star trio means you can the slide 3 and D role players into your roster and potentially survive. The NBA has rarely been any different.

 

[iowamcnabb]

It's hard to know what's real and what's just speculation. Was our supposed interest in Bradley Beal, Kyle Kuzma and Jerami Grant in the off-season for real or agent posturing? If it was real that does suggest we could still be looking for offense -- at least in our high-ticket roster moves. Considering how little this front office had to give up to acquire guys like Kessler Edwards, Keon Ellis, and (dare I hope) Stanley Johnson -- the idea could be that it's far cheaper to add defensive role-players around a high-scoring core group than to find affordable two-way stars or invest heavily in defensive specialists. I buy that as a concept but most of the defensive role-players we've brought in have just been stuck on the bench and/or shuttled to the G-League so it hasn't exactly worked out for us so far.

The thing is if you add pure defense, what does it cost you? 2 way superstars ain't happening with the Kings trade pieces. Creating a legit 3 level all star trio means you can the slide 3 and D role players into your roster and potentially survive. The NBA has rarely been any different.

If Monte makes a move like this it’s possible that he determined that our big three of Fox Domas Keegan is unlikely to match the top end talent of other contending cores even with upgrades at the other positions. Since we don’t have a Giannis, Joker Etc our path to a championship has to be just an overwhelming amount of offense and maybe he saw enough from our playoff defense to believe we are just good enough on that end. Lavine makes me nervous for a lot of reasons including the injuries and the contract that might be really hard to move if it doesn’t work out.

 

[The_Jamal]

Can you even afford a max Lavine/Fox/Sabonis and the very likely max extension to Keegan under the new CBA? Even if it's possible, better be sure Lavine is enough to basically replace all our current depth and more (he's not).

 

[iowamcnabb]

Can you even afford a max Lavine/Fox/Sabonis and the very likely max extension to Keegan under the new CBA? Even if it's possible, better be sure Lavine is enough to basically replace all our current depth and more (he's not).

yeh if you made the deal it might have to be say Barnes and Huerter to save our depth.

Fox Ellis
Lavine Monk
Keegan Duarte
Lyles Sasha
Domas JM Len

Could it work? Maybe but dang you are pretty locked into that team. You risk losing Monk, you would be so top heavy in salary that it would be hard to move pieces for upgrades either because the contracts are too big or too small to match salaries in trades. Doesn’t give you much in the way of “optionality” as Monte always says.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I mean if we are going offense I’d rather take Kuzma. His contract is a bargain compared to Lavine and he is a more complete player. More size. We could probably keep Barnes in a deal. KVon and Davion gets us their money wise.

Fox Ellis
Monk Colby
Keegan Barnes
Kuzma Sasha
Domas Lyles Len

 

[GWD]

If the team went all-in on offense then there is a coaching issue. Coach Brown will end up trying to fit square pegs in a round hole. That is not a formula for success. The coach may have to fit his philosophy to the player's attributes rather than try to change the player to fit the coach's vision. It would be a dilemma...not that it isn't a bit as it stands now.

Brown has had some good results with Keegan and Fox because of their skills, adaptability, and incredible desire to achieve, but overall there is still a serious defensive weakness with players that are not blessed with those traits.

 

[ick300]

Ok , is it that bad , to just say screw deffence and try ot outscore every team ... ?
There are teams who are just good in deffence , there are teams great in deffence and there are teams who sucks in deffence ... Obviously we are from the last ones ... Is it so bad to just say screw that and try to rely at what we can do ? Score ....
After all it is a game of how many points more you scored , not how less you give ...
At the end 152-150 win is as much a win as 100-98 ...
It is like having Messi , Ronaldo and Pelle in one team and try to explain them it is better to defend then attack ...

 

[The_Jamal]

yeh if you made the deal it might have to be say Barnes and Huerter to save our depth.

Fox Ellis
Lavine Monk
Keegan Duarte
Lyles Sasha
Domas JM Len

Could it work? Maybe but dang you are pretty locked into that team. You risk losing Monk, you would be so top heavy in salary that it would be hard to move pieces for upgrades either because the contracts are too big or too small to match salaries in trades. Doesn’t give you much in the way of “optionality” as Monte always says.

Oh you assuredly lose Monk. I don't think you could afford a $100 mil back-court (after Fox extension) and like $20+ mil to Monk. And the fact that we have to plan for Keegs extension and Fox extension to kick in the same season. Again, not entirely sure how the new CBA works, but with one large contract on the books (Domas) we very likely can't afford another giant contract in addition to what Keegs and Fox are going to get.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Ok just for shifts and giggles:

Sac- HB and KVon 1 protected first
Chi- Lavine

Sac- Davion Duarte 2 seconds
Por- Thybulle

Sac- Kessler Edwards 2 seconds
Orlando- Bitadze

Lavine gives us a two time all star, Thybulle has 13 steals and 11 blocks over his last 9 games. Shooting 40 percent from 3 on 4 shots a game. Shot 38 last year. Bitadze might be out of the rotation with WCJ back and Wagner getting the backup minutes. He is on a 2 mil a year contract. Blocks a ton of shots and is only like 24. Big.

Fox Ellis
Lavine Monk
Thybulle JCA
Keegan Lyles Sasha
Domas Bitadze Len

gives us 3 above average defenders in the starting lineup with one being all nba level. 5 starters who can shoot 37 percent or better from 3. A 30 point scorer, a 20 point scorer and 2 guys that can easily give you 15-20. Improves our size and defense at the 5 when needed.

 

[iowamcnabb]

 

[ick300]

But in that way you are giving 5 players and getting 3 in the middle of the season ...
First - are they going to stick together at all , i mean you change literally half of the team and that will definetely break the chemistry inside...
Secons - you lose a bit of the lenght in the squad ... if you have another injury crisis of 3/4 players out for 2/3 games , you are going to be out of
opition at ?

 

[ick300]

Looks like a nicer and younger version of McGee

 

[iowamcnabb]

But in that way you are giving 5 players and getting 3 in the middle of the season ...
First - are they going to stick together at all , i mean you change literally half of the team and that will definetely break the chemistry inside...
Secons - you lose a bit of the lenght in the squad ... if you have another injury crisis of 3/4 players out for 2/3 games , you are going to be out of
opition at ?

yeh it would be a big risk but I suppose it’s a bet on the future. If Monte and Wes add Lavine I think it makes sense to find a super low usage player to fill out the wing spot. Thybulle would be about as good as you can get. Young, signed for 2 more years after this year on a team friendly deal and one of the best defenders in the NBA who isn’t talked about anymore because he plays on a bad team. He appears to have figured out how to shoot. We have shown interest in the past. Blazers don’t really need him for this rebuild. A bigger, better defending version of Keon.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Bitadze has a defensive rating of 105. His defensive plus minus is +3

 

[ick300]

Bitadze has a defensive rating of 105. His defensive plus minus is +3

He is looking very good at clip , wonder why Orlando may want to let him go

 

[iowamcnabb]

He is looking very good at clip , wonder why Orlando may want to let him go

I’m not sure if they do but Carter Jr was out with an injury and is back now and has reclaimed his starting job. Wagner gets the back up center minutes so as of right now Goga is out of the rotation

 

[ick300]

I’m not sure if they do but Carter Jr was out with an injury and is back now and has reclaimed his starting job. Wagner gets the back up center minutes so as of right now Goga is out of the rotation

This one I think we should definitely go for …
Don’t know if Lin will be back in they way he left but younger Center is very much welcome at the moment

 

[Gilles]

Analytics love Bitadze and he looks great on tape. He'll only be 25 this summer. He is also a nice passer. Basically young and healthy Len. Definite buy.

 

[ESP47]

I like Bitadze as well but it's going to take a lot more than Edwards and some seconds to get him. Likewise with Thybulle now that he's a 40% deep shooter.

 

[dude12]

Bitadze is nice but that is not what we need to focus on. What we need is length on the wings, size on the wings. Those teams are beating us.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I like Bitadze as well but it's going to take a lot more than Edwards and some seconds to get him. Likewise with Thybulle now that he's a 40% deep shooter.

You are probably right but Thybulle is averaging 6 points a game so it’s hard to know what his market will be. A first is going to be pretty rich for most teams unless it’s Okc. Goga is tough for Orlando because unless something changes he is their 3rd center and is a pending free agent. I’m sure Orlando would like to re-sign him but how much cash can you give the third guy?

How about a 3 way with Portland and Orlando.

Kings get Thybulle and Goga
Orlando gets Kvon
Portland gets filler and Jett Howard