Kings trade JT, Nik and Landry to Sixers (renamed)

[pshn80]

I've been reading so long and hard that I have had no time to post. My net take is that I share Brick's optimism. We ARE going to get players, experienced vets no matter who they are and we already have the core. I'm going to bed. Thanks everyone for your posts. Goodnight!

 

[NewArena]

Wonderful!!!

Good

Hopefully Karl will quit and leave us and Boogie the hell alone

 

[nebs]

March

Yikes

 

[Blastoff]

I still cant get past the fact we managed to get some fool (Sixers) to take Landry's contract. Sure we had to package JT and Sauce, but holy cow-- way to go Vlade!!

 

[sauce-26]

So if he got injured in March, will he be ready for the start of the season?

 

[steelevt]

I wonder why we would even try to play rondo and Ellis together again after what happened in dallas

 

[SacKings384]

I still cant get past the fact we managed to get some fool (Sixers) to take Landry's contract. Sure we had to package JT and Sauce, but holy cow-- way to go Vlade!!

Did you forget the draft picks? What a steal for the Sixers.

 

[theclash4u5]

Isn't our goal the playoffs? We aren't screwed in the future...

Our 2016 pick is top 10 protected to the Bulls. The Sixers can only swap if we retain our pick.

Ex:
If our 2016 pick lands outside of top 10, the Bulls get it, and Philly gets an option to swap our picks in 2017.

HOWEVER, if our pick lands INSIDE the top 10, and we retain our pick, the Sixers have the option in swapping picks for 2016. We will not owe them a 2017 1st round pick swap.

A potential pick swap for 2017 only occurs if the Sixers don't get the opportunity to swap in 2016.

Also, what are the odds that Philly is better than us the next 2 years?


Then in 2018, it's a protected 1st round pick.

So it's honestly not that bad.

And if it goes to all hell and we win the lottery next year or in 2017? Or finish in the top 3 by the luck of the lotto balls?

 

[ElRey]

How long ago did Wes Matthews injure his Achilles?

It was in March

 

[Sac.1989]

If the Kings can get two quality players (some combination of Mathews, Ellis, Lawson, Rondo, etc...) for JT, Landry, Nik, and a future pick it will be worth it.

Thats basically it.

Guys if we shipped a pick its the biggest sign that we have switched to 'win now mod'e that we have had in 10 years.

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

On the other hand, I don't think it's pure coincidence that 76ers dangled in 2 euros (Mitrovic and Gudaitis). Mitrovic is Serbian which would probably safe to say the Vlade knows this kid well. And Gudaitis is from Lithuania pretty much same basketball region that Vlade oversees. Both are more like stretch 4 based on NBA Draft profiles. It would be interesting if Vlade actually calls them to the US mid season and give them a roster spot.

So I would say that this trade is a Vlade call and I think he'll fill this up nicely.(fingers-crossed)

Gudiatis is a stretch 4 (shot 40% from three in Euroleague I believe), may play for Lithuanian NT this Eurobasket, and Lithuania is very strong.

 

[206Fan]

And if it goes to all hell and we win the lottery next year or in 2017? Or finish in the top 3 by the luck of the lotto balls?

What if everything goes amazing and we win the Championship?

 

[Sac.1989]

Vlade will win Exec of the season this season if we utilise that cap space well and make the playoffs. I guarentee it.

 

[Livinthedream]

So if he got injured in March, will he be ready for the start of the season?

Well...typical recovery says that in 6 months you can start with light jogging....

It took me 18 months to run at full speed where I didn't feel hampered in some way. I didn't have the luxury of an NBA training staff, but there is only so much you can do to the human body to help it heal.

 

[sdballer]

Impossible to judge this trade until we see how they spend the money, which makes me less than excited. Is love to shore up our backcourt but all 3 of rondo, Ellis and Wes have huge question marks and right now we'd have the weakest front court in the league.

 

[9x1x6]

Hate this move. Who starts at PF now? WCS? Never good to have to count on a rookie, especially a rookie big. And who backs him up?

Not to mention giving up on Sauce.

All with no guarantee that they even sign more talented players with the added caproom. Last time it was letting Tyreke go only to flirt with Iggy and ultimately add Landry.

And with rumblings of continued dysfunction. Sometimes I wonder why I follow this team.

If this free agency is a disaster and the Boogie/Karl issue(s) aren't resolved I'm not sure I have the stomach for another hopeless season.

I would hate it a lot less if they had done it before the meat of free agency was over. We cleared cap to go after the scraps. We coulda offered Danny Green, Middleton and Draymond more then they got. Would they have signed? Probably not, but we look desperate now.

 

[captain bill]

Back when James Ham gave his big podcast it was mentioned that Vivek refused to hire Karl and pushed for Mullin because Mullin was already under contract and he wouldn't have to get paid. There was also some discussion of a big mutiny from the minority owners who didn't want to pay tool much for another coach.

Now we are seeing legit talent being shipped off for cash. Vivek is a joke and has been since day 1.

 

[Livinthedream]

Check out @ailene_voisin's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ailene_voisin/status/616489427636875264?s=09

 

[swisshh]

This sort of move could blow up so badly that the Cousins situation will have to be resolved within the range of its quarantine zone, because the only way you recover from this mistake is trading the only actual assets you have left.

 

[John Galt]

Impossible to judge this trade until we see how they spend the money, which makes me less than excited. Is love to shore up our backcourt but all 3 of rondo, Ellis and Wes have huge question marks and right now we'd have the weakest front court in the league.

So you're saying that by dropping Jason Thompson and Carl Landry - and adding WCS, the Kings went from "not worst" to "worst"? Where were we before, "second from worst"? These are a couple of journeymen we're talking about here.

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

How much does an achilles injury effect a shooter?

 

[Livinthedream]

This sort of move could blow up so badly that the Cousins situation will have to be resolved within the range of its quarantine zone, because the only way you recover from this mistake is trading the only actual assets you have left.

It's truly an all in play to get the 8th seed next year. Then start all over in 2 years.

 

[sdballer]

So you're saying that by dropping Jason Thompson and Carl Landry - and adding WCS, the Kings went from "not worst" to "worst"? Where were we before, "second from worst"? These are a couple of journeymen we're talking about here.

They are journeymen who proved they could play in the league. Right now, our big rotation includes

Cousins (one if the leagues best)
Wcs (an unproven rookie)
Moreland (an undrafted guy)

Unless we fill it with other pieces or wcs and Moreland play way above expectations, yes that is worse than last year.

 

[KingMilz]

How much does an achilles injury effect a shooter?

Its more about his D, in a ideal and best case scenario if Wes can come back and be that post up SG similar to former Trailblazer Bonzi Wells (who we dodged a massive bullet by not re-signign/him backing out) that would help us a lot. Wes is obviously a better shooter as well but if he could play at a similar level would be nice.

 

[Rain man]

Check out @ailene_voisin's Tweet: https://twitter.com/ailene_voisin/status/616489427636875264?s=09

Aileen would pass based on a medical journal. Much more credible than an actual doctor who would be examining the actual individual in question….

 

[kingsnation]

IMO Nik is a bust. JT and Landry (two stints) have both added zero wins to our franchise over the years. We've been in rebuild for almost a decade and things are getting worse. The leagues best big man is getting impatient. Now is the time people. Win. Now.

We wanted to make a splash in free agency, we just created a freaking tsunami. Yes, there are risks. But the rewards could be much greater. I applaud Vlade for having the balls to make a deal like this.

 

[nebs]

Back when James Ham gave his big podcast it was mentioned that Vivek refused to hire Karl and pushed for Mullin because Mullin was already under contract and he wouldn't have to get paid. There was also some discussion of a big mutiny from the minority owners who didn't want to pay tool much for another coach.

Now we are seeing legit talent being shipped off for cash. Vivek is a joke and has been since day 1.

lolwut? This is a troll post right?

 

[Double-K]

There's something that I've always found incongruous about the notion that a person should be expected to put up with X amount of bull****, because, millions of dollars!

Well having that millions of dollars certainly make putting up X amount of bull**** easier.

 

[Gilles]

Since Sixers absorb 3 contracts worth $6.5, $6.4 and $2.9 million, salary dump can be restructured as 3 way S&Ts:

Trade 1
Kings: Landry+Stauskas+Mccallum + Stockton for Player 1 (up to $16,161,000)
Sixers: 2nd rounder #1 out for Landry + Stauskas
Team1: Player1 for 2nd rounder #1 + Mccallum + Stockton

Trade2
Kings: JT for Player 2 (up to $9,750,000)
Sixers: 2nd rounder #2 for JT
Team2: Player2 for 2nd rounder #2

Assuming cap goes up to $68.3 million Kings will also have $12 million in cap space before that.

So this hopefully would be Kings off-season:

1. use $12 million on 1 or 2 players.
2. sign Player 1 via S&T for up to $16,161,000
3. sign Player 1 via S&T for up to $9,750,000
4. use Room Exception on Casspi.

Players in steps 1-3 can be signed for any number of years and with whatever contract structure needed.

 

[sdballer]

IMO Nik is a bust. JT and Landry (two stints) have both added zero wins to our franchise over the years. We've been in rebuild for almost a decade and things are getting worse. The leagues best big man is getting impatient. Now is the time people. Win. Now.

We wanted to make a splash in free agency, we just created a freaking tsunami. Yes, there are risks. But the rewards could be much greater. I applaud Vlade for having the balls to make a deal like this.

Again, all depends on what they do with the money. If we land the right pieces, it was the right move for where we find ourselves. If we strike out, we've once again cemented our role as the league laughing stock while giving away more future assets.

I'll commend him for going all in on the now move but the real grade comes from whether they can deliver on this.