Kings stole Mobley from Lakers

KMart23 said:
you think george and atkins can get a deal done for mobley?
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You do realize that point is moot, right?

As for the rest of your comments, I'll let our Laker fan members address them...
 
if utah trades arroyo to a western conf team its going to be houston..... for sura and bowen.... but houston's gm is an idiot.... jimmy j and nachbar could have gotten them arroyo.... jimmy would have should up... and all would have been well with the universe....
 
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Bricklayer said:
The idea would be that if he agreed to retire you would basically have an ending contract, and therefore it would be a way to dump a little salary. But since the option on his contract is Vlade's, I believe, if he decides to return that doesn't work.
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Correct. But that assumes Vlade thinks he is physically able to play another NBA season. If he doesn't think he can, I doubt he collects on his last season. He'll still be paid $2M for doing nothing his last season if he accepts a buyout.

And besides, if Vlade did want to get paid in full during his last season just to ride the pine (because he won't be physically able to contribute), I could see the Lakers trading him without his permission (which they can do). But I think both Vlade and the Lakers have a lot more respect for each other than that.
 
Read it, or at least the FAQ, in several readings since it tends to produce narcoplexy. Vlade's contract is, what? 4 Mil? You DO realize thats the MLE, right? So, a team is going to trade you, a western conference rival, a piece YOU need, to acquire what basically amounts to nothing more than an exception they would get if they are over the cap anyway? Why?
 
KA_2 said:
I wouldn't really want Mobley on the Lakers, it would probably make Kobe handle the ball even more, since Mobley is a poor decision maker and selfish player in general, so he'd be a below average big guard 1. It would unload George and Atkins' contracts, but those guys can still be traded as last years by the summer anyway. No point in wasting it on redundant talent like Mobley. Besides, Arroyo for George looks more and more likely by the day, and you'd be out of your mind not to take Arroyo over Mobley at the 1.
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Mobley would have been the first player off the bench but I'll take George for Arroyo anyday. The George + Atkins trade for Mobley would have been good because the Lakers would have gotten rid of 2 inconsistent players while getting another intriguing big man in DeClerq.
 
Utah wouldn't trade their Ball Boy to you guys for George or anyone not named Kobe on your team. I ask again, why would a RIVAL team do ANYTHING to help you out? Arroyo would rot in not very nice places before they would trade him to help you guys.
 
Kingsgurl said:
Read it, or at least the FAQ, in several readings since it tends to produce narcoplexy. Vlade's contract is, what? 4 Mil? You DO realize thats the MLE, right? So, a team is going to trade you, a western conference rival, a piece YOU need, to acquire what basically amounts to nothing more than an exception they would get if they are over the cap anyway? Why?
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No, his contract is $5M per year, with a $2M buyout for next season. And no, the Jazz will be under the cap next season, so an expiring contract allows them to sign a FA without using their MLE, LLE, etc. That's assuming they dump Harpring (which they want to do since AK plays his position).

Kingsgurl said:
Is his contract only 2 mil? That's chump change. Good luck getting value for that expiring contract. LMAO.
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Good call. :rolleyes: Research is your friend.

Kingsgurl said:
Utah wouldn't trade their Ball Boy to you guys for George or anyone not named Kobe on your team. I ask again, why would a RIVAL team do ANYTHING to help you out? Arroyo would rot in not very nice places before they would trade him to help you guys.
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You haven't given any good reasons why the Jazz wouldn't trade him to the Lakers.

And I repeat, 25+ NBA teams have a PG as good as Arroyo, since Arroyo wants to start. There are only about 4 or 5 teams, max, that are interested in starting Arroyo, which includes the Lakers.

And they're not exactly "rivals", this isn't like the Spurs trading with the Mavs here, it's two low seed Western teams.
 
i'm telling you, if arroyo goes anywhere in the west its houston.....
 
KA_2 said:
And they're not exactly "rivals", this isn't like the Spurs trading with the Mavs here, it's two low seed Western teams.
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And thereby hangs the tale. The Jazz aren't going to trade anything that would possibly put another low-seed Western team higher up the food chain. Why would they?

And BTW you're making a pretty big assumption that the Jazz want to get rid of Harpring. I think they will be seriously considering his future with the organizaton. After all, he plays just the way Sloan likes it...
 
AriesMar27 said:
i'm telling you, if arroyo goes anywhere in the west its houston.....
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Yup, I agree with you, they desperately need a PG. Sura is nice, but I think it's clear he's not a PG, certainly not as good as Arroyo. Maybe the Rockets trade Sura for Arroyo? Then again, he'd be buried on the bench behind McLeod et al, as you'd essentially be trading a PG that's not needed for...another PG. Maybe if they look at Weatherspoon?
 
VF21 said:
And thereby hangs the tale. The Jazz aren't going to trade anything that would possibly put another low-seed Western team higher up the food chain. Why would they?
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Think of it this way; is Larry Miller going to want to pay Arroyo $12M to sit on the bench for the next three years (he hasn't played in weeks)? Obviously no, he's going to be traded. Knowing that he's going to be traded, and knowing that he only wants to be a starter, that leaves a grand total of maybe five NBA teams that have a need for a PG that wants to start that's on Arroyo level. Those teams are the Lakers, Clippers, Rockets, Hawks, and Sixers. Considering the Clippers will have Jaric back soon (and the rookie sensation Livingston) and considering AI is playing PG in Philly, that leaves just three teams. And I highly highly doubt the Hawks want to trade for Arroyo, since they're looking to sign a good PG and big man this offseason with their boatload of cap space (plus the Hawks don't have anything to offer AFAIK).

And BTW you're making a pretty big assumption that the Jazz want to get rid of Harpring. I think they will be seriously considering his future with the organizaton. After all, he plays just the way Sloan likes it...
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I know, but when you're paying AK the max to play SF, do you really want to pay Harpring $5M per year to play backup SF for 10 mpg? That's a hefty price tag, and Larry Miller is not exactly a spender. We'll see what happens with Harp.
 
Kingsgurl said:
Utah wouldn't trade their Ball Boy to you guys for George or anyone not named Kobe on your team. I ask again, why would a RIVAL team do ANYTHING to help you out? Arroyo would rot in not very nice places before they would trade him to help you guys.
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It would be a long shot but George will be on his contract year next year - that will make him attractive to a team like the Jazz.
 
Arroyo will be traded. Not to the lakers though. I hear that Philly is a possiblity. An option to put AI back in the 2 spot. The only way I see it though is if another team is involved b/c there are teams that want Dalembert. I don't think Utah is one of them.

BTW if that deal the Lakers put forth for Mobely is true...it is one of the funniest things I have ever heard. While I am sure the Magic got better sounding deals than the one from Sac from other teams that deal the LA Kobe's offered is a joke. Truth is Doug will work well. They need D even worse than the Kings + the Kings can play D when they want to but Orlando showed no hopes.
 
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Oh, that's right, the 2 million was the contract WE offered him, forgot you guys doubled that up.;) Still don't see the Jazz doing ANYTHING to help you out. If they do trade Arroyo, he'll go east most likely.
 
Now, Magic can consider to trade Cato for sb. (backup for Battie)

so the five starters of Huston last year will conpletely get apart
 
And, as I asked in another thread, why would the Magic want to do that deal?
 
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