Kings stole Mobley from Lakers

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By Eric Pincus
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jan 13, 2005, 08:15

On Monday, January 10th, the Kings executed a trade with the Orlando Magic bringing Cuttino Mobley and Michael Bradley to Sacramento for Doug Christie. Add Mobley to the growing list of players who have gotten away from the Los Angeles Lakers as they try to rebuild in the post-Shaquille O'Neal era.

Sources have told Hoopsworld.com that the Lakers made a very strong push for Cuttino Mobley, offering Chucky Atkins and Devean George. In the proposed deal, LA would have also received Andrew DeClercq.

Coach Rudy Tomjanovich reportedly was hoping to reunite with his former Houston Rocket guard (Mobley), who would essentially have started out of position in Los Angeles next to Kobe Bryant. Cuttino is an underrated defender who had played some point guard in college. With Kobe the primary initiator, a move for a Bryant\Mobley back court was an acceptable risk the Lakers were willing to make.

With the deal on the verge of going through, the Kings offered Doug Christie and the Magic took the bait, considering the Sacramento offer the better deal.

A number of players have nearly become Lakers as the franchise attempts to rebuild on the fly after splitting up the Shaq and Kobe duo. Point guard Marcus Banks of the Boston Celtics was briefly a in Los Angeles before the trade was amended and Jumaine Jones became a Laker in his stead.

Minnesota Timberwolves' forward Eddie Griffin was reportedly very close to playing in Los Angeles before getting swayed by Kevin Garnett and the Wolves.

The Karl Malone story is well reported. Even Vlade Divac, technically a Laker, has been another near miss as he may never play again, recovering from back surgery.

That said, building an NBA championship caliber team does not happen over night. Currently the Lakers are up and down, but slotted at the sixth seed in the very competitive Western Conference. At times LA has gotten something exciting out of nearly every new acquisition including Chris Mihm, Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Chucky Atkins and Jones. Unfortunately the team is unbalanced with a preponderance of small forwards, a lack of experienced and talented depth at point guard and a relative void where an inside presence should be.

When asked about Vlade Divac's injured back, Laker GM Mitch Kupchak told the media that he did not expect to make a trade for an additional center. When the team decided to guarantee the contracts of both Tierre Brown and Tony Bobbitt, it appeared that the Lakers were willing to go with the current squad for the remainder of the season.

The pitch for Mobley would suggest differently; that the team is indeed looking to make an upgrade . . . specifically at the point guard position. With the Lakers failing to win consistently, perhaps the team will aggressively continue the search.

One target that the Lakers may have would be disgruntled Utah Jazz point guard, Carlos Arroyo. It was reported by the local papers and ESPN.com that the Lakers made a pitch to Arroyo in the off-season. A restricted free agent, he accepted a four-year, $16 million deal with the Jazz. After suffering an injury in the pre-season, insulting Coach Jerry Sloan during the regular season and generally struggling to fit in on the team . . . Arroyo has been relegated to the fourth point guard in the rotation behind Keith McLeod, Raul Lopez and Howard Eisley.

Arroyo has all but demanded a trade, but the Jazz are denying that any serious talks have taken place.

Although the Lakers may not be able to present the right package to a Western Conference rival, they would be remiss in not making a stab at it. The exact salary status of the Utah Jazz is cloudy. They may still be slightly under the cap, which could facilitate deals that wouldn't normally pass muster. The NBA keeps complete salary information confidential, but if the Jazz have any wiggle room . . . LA might be able to make a deal.

Getting Utah to take any of the following for Arroyo may be a stretch, however: Chucky Atkins, Devean George, Luke Walton, Slava Medvedenko, Vlade Divac or even Brian Cook. LA can offer cash in the deal, draft picks and the like, but unless it's a compelling package . . . the Jazz are more likely to ship Arroyo to the Eastern Conference.

Mitch Kupchak will probably balk at including Caron Butler in any deal for a point guard. Should Caron eventually be moved, it'd likely be in a package for a young big. It would seem unlikely that either Butler or Odom are moved this season.

The Lakers made an aggressive move to improve the lineup in the attempt to acquire Mobley. The franchise wants to put a winner on the floor and will make the necessary moves to do so. Few franchises want to help the Lakers reclaim previous glories and since itt takes two parties to agree on a deal . . . the Lakers may very well have the same personnel come playoff time.
 
Better title would be "another rumor from LA" courtesy of Hoopsworld. Notice there are no actual quotes whatsoever. This wasn't going to happen.
 
But if we did steal him from the LA Kobes...

nanner! nanner! nanner!!!!!
 
VF21 said:
Better title would be "another rumor from LA" courtesy of Hoopsworld. Notice there are no actual quotes whatsoever. This wasn't going to happen.

The author is one of the LG mods (emplay). He's got some kind of access to league sources or somethin or other. I personally don't believe Orlando would seriously trade Mobley for what Kupchak supposedly offered them tho.
 
Gargamel said:
The author is one of the LG mods (emplay). He's got some kind of access to league sources or somethin or other. I personally don't believe Orlando would seriously trade Mobley for what Kupchak supposedly offered them tho.

That was my thought, or more specifically, my thought was "no wonder Orlando accepted the Kings offer". Chuky Atkins and Devean George would do nothing on the Magic, or would at best both play bench roles (presuming Devean gets off the IL). Granted, DC will probably only play a bench role, but he has shown before that he can keep Hedo seated on the pine, and he might do so again.

I do think the Lakers should be asking about Arroyo, but I can't imagine why the Jazz would give the Lakers a player that would be in the Lakers' starting lineup if they can't get a player back that will contribute immediately, and I don't think anyone on the Lakers' roster that would be offered for a trade falls into that category.

Not to mention Mobley on the Lakers seems to be an odd fit, especially if he was going to play PG most of the time.
 
I wouldn't really want Mobley on the Lakers, it would probably make Kobe handle the ball even more, since Mobley is a poor decision maker and selfish player in general, so he'd be a below average big guard 1. It would unload George and Atkins' contracts, but those guys can still be traded as last years by the summer anyway. No point in wasting it on redundant talent like Mobley. Besides, Arroyo for George looks more and more likely by the day, and you'd be out of your mind not to take Arroyo over Mobley at the 1.
 
True, true, true, true...and true. Not a trade guru, but there might be a combination that would allow Utah some cap relief. Maybe the Jazz would bite if LA also offered the 2nd rounder they got from the Cats.
 
Gargamel said:
True, true, true, true...and true. Not a trade guru, but there might be a combination that would allow Utah some cap relief. Maybe the Jazz would bite if LA also offered the 2nd rounder they got from the Cats.

Lakers could trade Vlade for Arroyo to give the Jazz cap relief, and they'd pay for his buyout to actually turn him into a last year. That works under the cap perfectly, salary-wise. But if the Jazz really wanted another player added on to Vlade's expiring contract, a cheap player like Walton or Jones or Brown would be tradable. Depends on what skill sets Sloan would like to trade for. The Jazz would actually save $12M total with the Vlade deal, so they have a lot of monetary incentive.
 
KA_2 said:
I wouldn't really want Mobley on the Lakers, it would probably make Kobe handle the ball even more, since Mobley is a poor decision maker and selfish player in general, so he'd be a below average big guard 1. It would unload George and Atkins' contracts, but those guys can still be traded as last years by the summer anyway. No point in wasting it on redundant talent like Mobley. Besides, Arroyo for George looks more and more likely by the day, and you'd be out of your mind not to take Arroyo over Mobley at the 1.

Well, guess what Laker fan? ;) You don't have to worry about it. We have him; you don't. And if first impressions are worth anything, I think he's going to work out just fine for us. He's not a PG anyway so forcing him to play at the point would have been a waste. And we know he couldn't possibly come to LA as a 2 because ... well, you know.

Arroyo, on the other hand, is a legitimate PG. While I think he could do well in your offense, I don't see him coming to LA because ... well, you know.

;)
 
KA_2 said:
Lakers could trade Vlade for Arroyo to give the Jazz cap relief, and they'd pay for his buyout to actually turn him into a last year. That works under the cap perfectly, salary-wise. But if the Jazz really wanted another player added on to Vlade's expiring contract, a cheap player like Walton or Jones or Brown would be tradable. Depends on what skill sets Sloan would like to trade for. The Jazz would actually save $12M total with the Vlade deal, so they have a lot of monetary incentive.

ROFLMAO!

You actually think Vlade is going to agree to crap like that. He doesn't owe your team squat and I doubt if he's going to agree to be traded to Utah. I am truly loving this.
 
Gargamel said:
How is that?

Contracts match up, Sloan likes athletic D-first swingmen, and most importantly Arroyo continues to rack up DNPCDs behind McLeod.

I'd be somewhat surprised if he's on the Jazz by the trading deadline. Also, consider that about 25 NBA teams have no need (or fit) for Arroyo as a starter, with the Lakers one of very few teams that could use him, plus the fact that Kupchak went after him, and you can see why a trade is likely.

Additionally, the George-Atkins for Mobley talks shows Kupchak is desperate to address the guard situation with anyone, and Arroyo is better than just anyone.
 
VF21 said:
ROFLMAO!

You actually think Vlade is going to agree to crap like that. He doesn't owe your team squat and I doubt if he's going to agree to be traded to Utah. I am truly loving this.

He'll agree alright, assuming the Lakers want to trade him. Of course, trading him would mean that he will have agreed to retire.

I am truly loving how you think it's not possible, though.
 
KA_2 said:
Lakers could trade Vlade for Arroyo to give the Jazz cap relief, and they'd pay for his buyout to actually turn him into a last year. That works under the cap perfectly, salary-wise. But if the Jazz really wanted another player added on to Vlade's expiring contract, a cheap player like Walton or Jones or Brown would be tradable. Depends on what skill sets Sloan would like to trade for. The Jazz would actually save $12M total with the Vlade deal, so they have a lot of monetary incentive.

Ah, how the hell'd I forget about Vlade? Perhaps Sloan could want Jones as an athletic 3. I'm not averse to letting Jones go (he's not a maker/breaker), but this year, it would be a tough loss considering his relative value to our current roster.
 
VF21 said:
ROFLMAO!

You actually think Vlade is going to agree to crap like that. He doesn't owe your team squat and I doubt if he's going to agree to be traded to Utah. I am truly loving this.

He's done. Vlade must be a masochist if he wants to continue playing when he can be bought out and begin his nicotine-induced retirement in Los Angeles. I think he'd agree to it at this juncture.
 
KA_2 said:
He'll agree alright, assuming the Lakers want to trade him. Of course, trading him would mean that he will have agreed to retire.

I am truly loving how you think it's not possible, though.

And I'm really loving how you're loving thinking I'm thinking that it's not possible. Why? Because it's all so pathetic. The high and mighty Lakers reduced to attempting to trade someone off their injured list in the hopes another team in the Western Conference will feel sorry for them and take the bait.

It ain't gonna happen. Utah is not going to help the Lakers, no matter what. Don't kid yourself. They're still not real happy over the whole Malone scenario.

Gargy - I don't think Vlade particularly wants to play again. But I think he wants to be traded again even less. Besides, he doesn't have to do anything except sit back and collect his salary. If I could whisper in his ear, I'd tell him to do exactly that. The only way I would mention retirement is when the trade deal came down the road. But maybe I'm just bitter. ;)

I just remembered, however, that Vlade has gone for the money before in the whole Red Star/Partizan scenario. Now maybe it's his turn to have karma bite him in the rear. If that same karma can also bite the Lakers at the same time, it'll be like another Christmas for me!

:D
 
I never thought I'd urge a former King to sign with the LA Kobies but in thi case I hope Vlade picks up his option for next season and picks up one more year of salery from LA.
 
VF21 said:
And I'm really loving how you're loving thinking I'm thinking that it's not possible. Why? Because it's all so pathetic. The high and mighty Lakers reduced to attempting to trade someone off their injured list in the hopes another team in the Western Conference will feel sorry for them and take the bait.

It's called an expiring contract. It helped get the Lakers Mihm, Jones, Atkins and an optional first rounder. Expiring contracts help a lot of teams get role players.

It ain't gonna happen. Utah is not going to help the Lakers, no matter what. Don't kid yourself. They're still not real happy over the whole Malone scenario.

Malone has zero to do it. If the Jazz see an opportunity to dump their 4th string PG for a decent bench player in return (they're not going to get better offers) or an expiring contract to save them $12M, they'll bite. Maybe not LA, but it'll happen with some team sometime soon.

And Vlade will be traded or retire. I don't know why you think either or both won't happen, every sign points to it happening; surgery, age, buyout clause = trade or retire. I'd be very surprised if he ever plays another minute as a Laker.

You also haven't given any good reason as to why he wouldn't want to be traded. If he's traded, it's with the understanding that it's simply for his contract, which means he'll retire after being traded (like Fox did with the Lakers last summer). There's absolutely nothing insulting about it, Vlade knows he's done (or is in extreme denial).

HndsmCelt said:
I never thought I'd urge a former King to sign with the LA Kobies but in thi case I hope Vlade picks up his option for next season and picks up one more year of salery from LA.

The Lakers would trade him before that happens, so your dreams won't come true.
 
VF21 said:
ROFLMAO!

You actually think Vlade is going to agree to crap like that. He doesn't owe your team squat and I doubt if he's going to agree to be traded to Utah. I am truly loving this.

Just out of curiosity, do you know if Vlade bargained for a no-trade clause in his contract (given the recent JJax situation)?
 
"The Lakers would trade him before that happens, so your dreams won't come true."

With that big market for beat up old players who will probably not play again out there your probably right. Espcialy with a mastermind like Captain Mitch at the helm...
 
HndsmCelt said:
I never thought I'd urge a former King to sign with the LA Kobies but in thi case I hope Vlade picks up his option for next season and picks up one more year of salery from LA.


LA Kobies!!! LMFAO :D :D :D
 
HndsmCelt said:
"The Lakers would trade him before that happens, so your dreams won't come true."

With that big market for beat up old players who will probably not play again out there your probably right. Espcialy with a mastermind like Captain Mitch at the helm...
:D

How come no one else is seeing this? Why would another team want to acquire Vlade at this stage, what good could he possibly be to someone else?
 
albeitrue said:
:D

How come no one else is seeing this? Why would another team want to acquire Vlade at this stage, what good could he possibly be to someone else?

The idea would be that if he agreed to retire you would basically have an ending contract, and therefore it would be a way to dump a little salary. But since the option on his contract is Vlade's, I believe, if he decides to return that doesn't work.
 
I get it, Vlade would have to divulge his intentions to retire in order to become trade bait.

I like how the ball's in Vlade's court, it will be interesting to see what he does with it.
 
Bricklayer said:
The idea would be that if he agreed to retire you would basically have an ending contract, and therefore it would be a way to dump a little salary. But since the option on his contract is Vlade's, I believe, if he decides to return that doesn't work.

Even if he picks up the 2nd year he still has a 2 mil buyout. So lets say LA trades Vlade + Walton for Arroyo. LA also sends 2 mil in the deal so the Jazz can buyout Vlade losing no money. So even if he picks up his option he would still practically be a ending deal due to the buyout.
 
4cwebb said:
Just out of curiosity, do you know if Vlade bargained for a no-trade clause in his contract (given the recent JJax situation)?

There's nothing at realGM to indicate he has any kind of "no trade" or "trade approval" clause. While that isn't proof positive, it's usually a pretty good indicator.

I would absolutely love it if a trade was brokered and Vlade pulled a JJ. I know it's wrong, but I don't care.

This pathetic rationalization ( ;) )on the part of a couple of Laker fans to attempt to make it appear as though Vlade should be somehow so anxious to do something honorable for the Lakers busts me up.

Vlade isn't a stupid man. He will do what he thinks will benefit HIM and his family the most; not the Lakers.
 
KA_2 said:
Contracts match up, Sloan likes athletic D-first swingmen, and most importantly Arroyo continues to rack up DNPCDs behind McLeod.

I'd be somewhat surprised if he's on the Jazz by the trading deadline. Also, consider that about 25 NBA teams have no need (or fit) for Arroyo as a starter, with the Lakers one of very few teams that could use him, plus the fact that Kupchak went after him, and you can see why a trade is likely.

Additionally, the George-Atkins for Mobley talks shows Kupchak is desperate to address the guard situation with anyone, and Arroyo is better than just anyone.

i want some of that LA smack your smoking. you think george and atkins can get a deal done for mobley? LOL kupcake is a horrible GM, you guys should fire him and get a new gm. if he really wanted to get some things done, he'd make a better pitch to orlando or utah. i'm sure utah will not accept that crap your trying to unload on them for their talented PG. utah will ship him to the eastern conference before releasing him to the west. it's rule of thumb to trade players to the east before west. doesn't charlotte need a PG?


VLADE IS NOT GOING TO THE JAZZ!
vlade is terrified of going to the jazz, can u imagine sloan screaming at vlade to play some D? LOL

if u sent butler to the jazz for arroyo you might get it done
 
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