Kings' Moves Setting Table for DeMarcus Cousins to Demand Escape - Ric Bucher

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Considering several of us have been saying the same thing, I thought I'd post this.

I understand Bucher isn't loved around here. But man, there are some very confusing things happening in regards to Boogie. IF TRUE...

I actually believe Bucher this time. It makes the most sense. I believe at the time of Corbin's firing, Karl was discussed. I believe 'they' told Boogie that they believed Karl was a bad fit with Boogie. I also believe they were lying through their teeth when they said that to give Boogie the impression they actually care what he thinks, and to butter him up for Corbin.

Karl, in this FO's delusional theory of how basketball works, is the exact coach they should want. Despite his long history showing he's NOT really a run and gun coach, but just a very good coach who uses the talent, and situation (mile high Denver) to maximize efficiency. Karl's career shows he can operate at any pace. With an always efficient offense. Efficient is more important anyway. So despite the FO seemingly hiring him for the wrong reasons, I think it can still work.

But considering how dumb this FO seems to be, Karl is the poster child cause I doubt they have the knowledge to have any clue what Karl did in Seattle or Milwaukee. Denver teams have been running since the 80's with Doug Moe, probably since Denver first got a team in the ABA. Every coach in Denver runs. Always has. Highest scoring game in NBA history involved the nuggets. In Denver.

Sacramento is not Denver. But for their stated mission, there are two coaches who seem to fit, Don Nelson, and George Karl. One is retired.

Fans did the math pretty quick.

So telling Boogie he doesn't fit, it's just a lie. You can't have a better fit, in the FO theory. IF TRUE...

Also, fwiw, Bucher claims what some have been saying (ok, me in particular) and that's that Malone was fired, at least partly, for insubordination. Simple as that.

Is Boogie still part of the future for the Kings?

This is not Cousins being angry because he doesn't like Karl. Did you hear anger in his voice when he cryptically asked reporters, "How you going to stop God's plan?" No, you heard confusion and puzzlement because this is the same Karl who, Cousins was told earlier in the season, would not be the right coach for him, a source said.

Forget the semantics over when, or even if, Karl is hired. Cousins has been told it's what the Kings want to do after being told it wasn't, which raises a serious question: How much does owner Vivek Ranadive really value Cousins?

After all, team and league sources say Cousins made it clear he didn't want Mike Malone fired with the Kings 11-13 and murmurs of Cousins being an MVP candidate before he contracted viral meningitis. Ranadive, a source says, told Cousins he had to do it because Malone didn't get along with GM Pete D'Alessandro and had been insubordinate by missing a meeting.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...able-for-demarcus-cousins-to-to-demand-escape
 
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I've been saying this all along too. From my perspective I don't care who reports it or how reliable said reporter is. It's just common sense. If I were boogie, i don't care who the next coach is. This franchise is STILL a CF and I'm OUTTA here. I'd be done wasting my time here
 
From the article: "Forget the semantics over when, or even if, Karl is hired. Cousins has been told it's what the Kings want to do after being told it wasn't, which raises a serious question: How much does owner Vivek Ranadive really value Cousins?"

This is a pretty big leap of logic. It is likely how much Ranadive values season ticket sales and quieting a very dissatisfied fan base. The FO underestimated the disruption firing Malone caused and is plugging their fingers in the dam before it blows completely apart.

If Karl comes in and wins, I don't think Cousins has any issue with the FOs change of opinion.
 
parker said:
From the article: "Forget the semantics over when, or even if, Karl is hired. Cousins has been told it's what the Kings want to do after being told it wasn't, which raises a serious question: How much does owner Vivek Ranadive really value Cousins?"

This is a pretty big leap of logic. It is likely how much Ranadive values season ticket sales and quieting a very dissatisfied fan base. The FO underestimated the disruption firing Malone caused and is plugging their fingers in the dam before it blows completely apart.

If Karl comes in and wins, I don't think Cousins has any issue with the FOs change of opinion.
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I disagree.
When Vivek bought the team he made a point of schmoozing cousins, telling him over and over how much he's needed. How important he is. That he's the cornerstone of this franchise.

This whole Malone deal has destroyed any trust that exsisted between the two. Sorry but in my book you don't lie to and alienate your franchise player. In boogies eyes (and mine) ownership cannot be trusted. They're liars.
 
Right now, this team is better off bending over backwards for Cousins. We've seen how bad things can get when he's not on the floor.

Whom is to say whether or not that will change in the near future, which is certainly a possibility, but not at this moment.
 
After all this charade that's been going on...I really wouldn't blame Cousins for asking out to be honest. I wouldn't be angry at him one bit. I'd still remain a Kings fan through thick and thin but this would be the most gut wrenching loss of all. In the mean time, while he is still here...I think winning will cure a lot of the ailments that's been plaguing this franchise for almost a decade now. They haven't had a HOF coach since Adelman and we saw how well that turned out...with coaching stability and a system in place, the next best thing we as fans can hope for is for Vivek to step aside and let a guy who has over 600 wins on his resume do the coaching and have some say in personnel. Then and only then can we turn things around...
 
LOL at insubordination for missing a meeting. The meeting subject line probably read something like this:

Organizer: Vivek Naismith Ranadive
Subject: Success at the age 12 girls rec league level and how it correlates to success at the NBA level
Location: The "I am Smarter Than Everyone Else Think Tank"
Start Time: 8:00AM
End Time: Whenever you agree to do what I say
 
DMC will not be traded.

Winning will cure all ills.

If Coach Karl comes in and goes something like 20 wins and 10 losses the rest of the way, all will be good for next season.

DMC will be content until next year.
 
uhm no.

The FO would not sabotage themselves so Boogie can demand a trade.. A lot of speculation and little proof. You use some sources as your advantage and totally disregard others.
 
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It is normal for us to try to look for patterns, a plan, reasons that things have happened, especially from a large organization like this owned by people who have been very successful in their lives. However the truth is that even the most successful people make mistakes, especially when they start new ventures that they aren't that experienced with. The mistakes can be even more ridiculous than ones made by the average person put in the same position because previous success can make a person think that they can do no wrong and that they don't make mistakes. What also happens is that mistakes compound when trying to make up for the previous one without truly believing one was made, it wasn't a mistake, it's simply an adjustment that needed to be made.

I believe that is what has happened here, it's not complicated. Malone didn't get along with Ranadive so he was fired without any concern for what the front office thought or what Cousins thought or what any of the other players thought. No further thought went beyond that, there was no plan, Malone angered Ranadive, that's it. Ranadive and the front office didn't have any other coach they were looking at, they figured they can figure it out in the offseason. The only option is to promote from within, even better that the guy was a former head coach himself so it isn't like promoting a guy with no experience. They figured that Corbin could at least handle this for part of a season. There also was probably thought that this team was better than it was, with their great start and Cousins coming back from his sickness they figured that the team could pick up where it left off when Cousins got sick, there was no way they imagined that this team would fall apart.

When things went bad the players rebelled and the fans were beginning to rebel, with season ticket renewals coming up, bad timing. Action needed to be taken. Now I think even though this move was reactive, it actually is a good one. It could have been a lot worse.

When it comes to Cousins I don't think this was some plot to get him angry or confused so he wants to be traded. However the bottom line is that he is confused, this is how it worked out. There is only one fix, winning. If this team begins to win then Cousins will be happy that Karl is the coach, if they don't then we may actually lose Cousins, but then it's not like he got us to win anyway so it may not be as big a deal if that time comes.

The only flaw in this is if the players don't buy into Karl's coaching philosophy and if they don't then move them out, including Cousins. This team has been a losing team for so long, the players on this team in general have been on losing teams for so long. Karl is a proven winner with a philosophy that works. If these players can't get behind that then I guess they care about themselves way more than they care about winning and we can ship those players out for new ones, I don't care who they are.
 
There's gonna be a whole lot of disappointed people here when they don't start winning.
All the shows on KHTK have been pushing this all day yesterday and today, and they're right. Don't expect the wins to start coming just cause Karl is our new coach. This team is fractured and has a lot of work to do. This is a lost season. This is Karl's time to see what he has and evaluate. That's it.
 
Jerichoholic said:
The only flaw in this is if the players don't buy into Karl's coaching philosophy and if they don't then move them out, including Cousins.
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In all his seasons in the NBA, from what I can tell and remember, George Karl has never had a team not buy into his coaching philosophy and style. It's not gonna happen. He commands respect because he knows exactly what he's doing on a day to day basis with an NBA team....as well as the massive win record.

If for any reason a player doesn't buy in, it's their issue, not his. It's not gonna happen
 
I doubt if a switch will be flipped and we will suddenly start winning but with Karl's experience and drive, at least we won't see people going through the motions.

Next year there should be some more wins. I can't imagine Karl and Cousins not getting along. They both intensely want to win and that is the #1 issue.
 
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fansinceday1 said:
There's gonna be a whole lot of disappointed people here when they don't start winning.
All the shows on KHTK have been pushing this all day yesterday and today, and they're right. Don't expect the wins to start coming just cause Karl is our new coach. This team is fractured and has a lot of work to do. This is a lost season. This is Karl's time to see what he has and evaluate. That's it.
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If Malone could win with this group of mismatched scrubs + Cousins, so can Karl.

Are we going to go on a meteoric run and push for the 8th seed? Nope. But I don't think hovering around .500 for the rest of the season is THAT out of the question.

That's probably best case, of course, but we should at least become competitive again. Ty is a terrible coach. Our roster isn't THIS bad (although it is pretty crap outside of Boogie, Rudy, and DC).
 
"After I get rid of Demarcus, then I will be able to get rid of He-Man once and for all! Hehehehehe!"
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Skeletor is the only one that wants Demarcus to leave Sacramento.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
In trustworthiness rankings, Ric Bucher comes in somewhere between Brian Williams and Pinocchio, so I'm not really going to bother with whatever drivel he might have said.
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Perhaps. And I get that.

Yet some version of this happened.

1)Karl was a candidate from day 1.

2)Boogie's camp and the FO talked about George Karl among other possibilities for the immediate future of the team.

3)Something was said to explain keeping Corbin and not hiring Karl or Jackson at that time.

4) Endless losing, morale destroyed, fans flee, on court experiments at pace fail.

5) Now they're hiring Karl.

Which says to me, hiring Karl or not hiring Karl was more driven by what Ty Corbin the puppet would do, than any worries about Karl and Boogie being a good fit.

We will never know what exactly they told Boogie, but I seriously doubt that the plan was spelled out as we are giving Ty Corbin a tryout, and if it doesn't work in 6 weeks, we are going to hire George Karl. They had to give Boogie some reasons Corbin was better.

Vivek, I think, didn't want Karl cause he really thought Corbin was better (I don't think PDA ever made claims the team would be better under Corbin, that was Vivek). Vivek/Mullin also may have wanted to tinker through Corbin, something he wouldn't be able to do under Karl.

Vivek may have even thought that would work. I'm sure of it. He said as much. It did not, and now he's been humbled.

PDA, it seems now, wanted Karl all along. Which, if true, means there's a pretty good chance he fed Boogie a line at the time they fired Malone on Vivek's orders.

That is why Boogie is angry. Conflicting messages.

I don't think PDA and Vivek/Mullin are on the same page. V/M wanted Corbin to Mullin. They thought their methods through Corbin would work, and a transition to Mullin would be easy to explain after a moderately successful stint for Corbin. But the team under Corbin became unwatchable. And PDA starting seeing his NBA GM career's expiry date.

PDA panicked. His guy was still Karl throughout. He started pushing hard to move NOW, which he should have done from day 1. Mullin is smart enough to know he can't fix this right now, and the way things are falling apart, would have little chance of success even with an offseason.

Hopefully what all this means is Vivek has realized that Mullin is bad at this. He sucked in golden state too. Vivek is smart enough to see right now, this ain't working. Corbin definitely doesn't work. Faster pace doesn't either. Nik has flopped so far. Perhaps all of this is Mullin.

And hiring Karl is evidence Mullin's time as advisor is done. I hope. We will see what happens at the trade deadline.
 
Ric Bucher has less than zero credibility to me. If he says something, I believe that the opposite may very well be true. Everything is said is solely for the purpose of stirring up controversy. He's at the level of Stephen A. Smith and Peter Vecsey, in my opinion.
 
206Fan said:
uhm no.

The FO would not sabotage themselves so Boogie can demand a trade.. A lot of speculation and little proof. You use some sources as your advantage and totally disregard others.
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No one said anything about intentional sabotage. Not Bucher or anyone else.

This is not on purpose. The article is about how Boogie should be wanting out, not about how the front office is pushing him out.
 
Didn't Cousins sign a huge contract. How is he going anywhere for the next few years. Unless a team is willing to give up a lot for him I can't see him going anywhere.
 
A guy like Bucher makes a prediction on the 10% chance that it will come to pass. If it happens he says "I told you so" and looks like a genius. If it does not happen very few people even remember that he made a prediction. Terrific risk/reward on his part.
 
Bucher is like the lawyer that follows fire trucks and ambulances around. I have zero respect for anything he writes. He burned that bridge a long time ago.
 
Dear OP, Cuuz will either stay or leave. We'll probably hear about before it lap pens. The Kings team will march on either way and my fan hood will, too. Don't try to figure everything out in advance unless you like being driven crazy. Might be more fun to guess where Karl will live when he hits town.
 
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