Kings interested in trading for Iman Shumpert

[Cold]

Shumpert is a Malone-type player, versatile (when his shot is falling at a decent rate), unselfish, and a lockdown defender.

However, when his shot doesn't fall, he doesn't drive to the rim well enough to contribute consistently on the offensive end.

He would instantly be the best defender on the Kings. However, he cannot guard 3s, which would be problematic if the Kings become a good team and challenge the Paul Georges, Durants and Lebrons of the world.

McLemore and Shumpert make for a young talented SG duo with room to grow. But who would the Kings have to give up?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

I'd wait. The last thing we need to do going forward, is to be stuck in a position where we have to "slide" anyone from their natural position. As in forcing a shooting gaurd to try to play forward, or "sliding" him over to the 3

 

[Cold]

I say we pass. Shumpert is a good fit on many other teams. Just not the best fit here.

 

[rainmaker]

That rumor makes no sense. He'll either be under-used and played out of position at times, or MLM's development will be effected negatively and/or he'll be played out of position. Neither should spend any time at the 3.

Shumpert makes sense on a squad who didn't just draft a SG who has great upside defensively and needs time/experience, and on a squad who has a scorer and floor spreader at the 3. We have neither at the 1 or the 3 which would only compound the problem. Want to see defenses pack the paint even more, making Cuz's life miserable? Put out a Vasquez/Shumpert/Salmons lineup and watch the defense collapse all around him due to the lack of any outside threat r offense in general.

 

[KingMilz]

I really don't think it's that bad a move, Shumpert last season played the 3 a lot cause they had Melo at the 4, his toughness and elite quickness allows him to guard SF's to me him spliting time with Prince Luke @SF and M16 @SG would be a good thing plus I've even seen him fill in at PG for the Knicks and he's a extra ball handler from the wing position. Plus he should only get better it takes a while to come back from knee injuries and imo he's still yet to hit his groove you certainly could do worse like playing Salmons and Thornton.

He alsoshoot 40% last year attemtpig 2.8 3's a game so not sure why everyone is sayign he can't shoot, he's off to a rough start this year fair enough. He's also averagin 5rpg which is not bad at all like I said you could do a lot worse than Shumpert.

 

[upinsmoke]

A three guard lineup does not sound to terrible if it looks like this.

1. Vasquez
2. M16
3. Shumpert

 

[rainmaker]

A three guard lineup does not sound to terrible if it looks like this.

1. Vasquez
2. M16
3. Shumpert

In comparison to what?

Having someone ride their bicycle over your foot doesn't sound too terrible compared to having someone drive their car over it.

I would want nothing to do with that lineup. You take the only good defender in that trio and negate his advantage by putting him up against SF's.

 

[Chubbs]

In comparison to what?

Having someone ride their bicycle over your foot doesn't sound too terrible compared to having someone drive their car over it.

I would want nothing to do with that lineup. You take the only good defender in that trio and negate his advantage by putting him up against SF's.

Yet we do that with salmons nightly.

 

[miltonap]

Shump would be a very solid backup SG, but we can't put him at SF. Enough with putting players out of position, negating their strengths. I mean I know he would be an upgrade over Salmons at SF but then again, who wouldn't be? If we can put together a decent deal to nab him then that's cool. But no, he won't be our future SF.

I actually think Mbop can be a solid starter at SF for us, at least for now. If he can consistently knock down a spot 3 to spread the floor, that would be ideal. We need to focus on getting a big next to Cousins. We need size and length. I think defense has to be the priority here. If we can grab Asik that would be perfect. Offense would need a little work, as Vasquez/Mbop/Asik aren't exactly the best offensive trio, but it would be loads better than what we have now. Ship out Thornton, PPat, Salmons, Chuck fatass, maybe even IT or Vasquez if it needs to be done. I'm not yet sold on Vasquez being the PG we need moving on. He's slow and kind of erratic at times.

Lineup:

PG: Vasquez or Possible 2014 draft star/ McCallum
SG: M16/Shump
SF: Mbop or possible 2014 draft star/Outlaw
PF: Cousins/Landry
C: Asik/Thompson

What do you guys think? Now I'm not exactly sure how difficult it would be to acquire Shump/Asik, but it can't be too difficult since they're both on the wire. This is definitely a solid playoff team though imo.

 

[Glenn]

I think some careful thought is needed here. Some people want to get Shumpert and play him out of position at SF yet we feel perfectly justified in ripping Salmons up one side and down the other because Salmons, a SG playing out of position, doesn't play well at SF. The idea is bad and perhaps we are off base criticizing Salmons. Doing something stupid might end up badly and I really don't know what the urgency is. If we want a SF, let's get a SF.

 

[rainmaker]

Yet we do that with salmons nightly.

Yeah, and the point is to improve, rather than make yet another lateral move, sidetrack MLM's development and continue a tested and failed strategy of playing guards at SF.

 

[VF21]

I guess I missed something...

Aside from the title of the thread, where do we get the idea this rumor is actually floating around? Link anyone?

 

[miltonap]

I guess I missed something...

Aside from the title of the thread, where do we get the idea this rumor is actually floating around? Link anyone?

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/230717/Kings-Have-Interest-In-Shumpert

 

[Chupacabra]

whats up with our fascination of making guards play small forward? What are we going to do? Trade 3 shooting guards to a team with no shooting guards on it? This sliding players out of position/small ball lineup nonsense has to stop.

 

[Bricklayer]

Malone has shown a bit too much willingness to play midgetball thus far this season for my taste. He might actually contemplate playing Shumpert at "SF".

But on the other hand McLemore isn't ready, and has enough holes in his game to make claims of Ray Allenness way out on the far end of the possible scale. So you could get Shumpert with nothing more exotic in mind than replacing Thornton in the rotation and having a good young platoon of SGs in Ben and Shump. One a shooter, the other a defender. Would that have to be resolved if one day Ben turned into Ray Allen and needed 36min a night? Likely. But right now Ben is a kid shooting 38% from the field and playing 20 min a night. Platooning him with another young guy who complements what he does could make sense in an offense not apt to feature its SGs.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Yeah, and the point is to improve, rather than make yet another lateral move, sidetrack MLM's development and continue a tested and failed strategy of playing guards at SF.

I'd rather try "sliding" Patterson the other direction, and try him at the 3, before trying to force another shooting guard to play there. When you're limited, why not try a "stretch 4" at the 3 position and make the other team match up to you. You gain rebounding and could even get Ppat some extra inside looks, if he has a smaller player on him.

Detroit has gone to this with Josh Smith. He plays 3 now, where he used to play 4 for Atlanta

 

[TheBadGuy]

if the Kings somehow trades for Shumpert, might as well include Aldrich so the Kings have a legit C to back-up DMC.

 

[cuad]

I'd gladly trade 'em Chuck Hayes for Shumpert, Aldrich, and.... Beno! I miss Beno.

 

[JSin]

I think the player that is being looked at by the Knicks is Jimmer if the rumors are true. And while I would normally advocate for considering ripple effects that would be caused by acquiring another player that plays the same position you just spent a high draft pick on, I see this more as doubling down. He is young, athletic, and will be a good player if he can refine his stroke. If the price is right, this team is not competing for championships, they need to acquire assets and see who can play, who can create a foundation for future championships. Shumpert is just as likely to be the SG of the future as anyone else on the roster.

 

[DesertFox]

Would you take Amare's deal for Salmons' expiring, MT, Ppat, and Jimmer?
The Knicks get "flexibiliy," the Kings get rid of some clutter and add length.

GV/IT
Iman/Ben
Luc/Outlaw
JT/Amare
Cuz/Hayes

If Amare is still on the every other game thing, there will be a lot of small ball, but it's not like that wasn't already happening.
Iman and Ben are both too talented to see them stuck in a platoon for much longer, but for the next 2 years, that would be a dynamic young duo.

 

[Hadlowe]

I think the player that is being looked at by the Knicks is Jimmer if the rumors are true. And while I would normally advocate for considering ripple effects that would be caused by acquiring another player that plays the same position you just spent a high draft pick on, I see this more as doubling down. He is young, athletic, and will be a good player if he can refine his stroke. If the price is right, this team is not competing for championships, they need to acquire assets and see who can play, who can create a foundation for future championships. Shumpert is just as likely to be the SG of the future as anyone else on the roster.

What rumors? I haven't seen Jimmer mentioned in any trade rumors by name thus far. Don't get me wrong, that deal is great for the Kings if true, but it's a too good to be true type of rumor.

 

[GoodOldDouwe]

Would you take Amare's deal for Salmons' expiring, MT, Ppat, and Jimmer?
The Knicks get "flexibiliy," the Kings get rid of some clutter and add length.

GV/IT
Iman/Ben
Luc/Outlaw
JT/Amare
Cuz/Hayes

If Amare is still on the every other game thing, there will be a lot of small ball, but it's not like that wasn't already happening.
Iman and Ben are both too talented to see them stuck in a platoon for much longer, but for the next 2 years, that would be a dynamic young duo.

That lineup makes it very easy for teams to clog up the paint, since both Shumpert and Luc aren't reliable threepoint threats.

 

[twslam07]

Amare is the type of player I wouldn't mind taking back in a trade to avoid the FO using our cap space this offseason. I think we would be in great shape if after the 2014-2015 season we only had Cousins, McLemore, McCallum, Landry, Thompson, 2014 1st round pick, and 2014 2nd round pick on the books. I would be even happier if Landry and Thompson were removed from that list in the meantime. I like Thompson, but he makes too much money to be a 3rd big off the bench which is where I see him thriving. As a small market team, it's difficult to succeed when overpaying for your roleplayers.

We would only have our young core on the books and a whole lot of cap space to surround them with players that compliment their games.

 

[Cold]

Yeah, and the point is to improve, rather than make yet another lateral move, sidetrack MLM's development and continue a tested and failed strategy of playing guards at SF.

I agree that Shump at 3 doesn't make sense. Wastes his strength (defense) and makes it even harder for him to get his shot off (he's not great at creating his own space).

However, I disagree that bringing another SG on board will stunt McLemore's development. In fact, I think it's ideal to have 2 good SGs on the roster, especially if one of them is able to play some 3 and one of them can play some 1. Versatility is gold these days. 6th/7th men are no longer looked at as less talented than starters.

 

[upinsmoke]

Some of you are making to much of a stink about position, I look at it from a talent and game plan POV. Having young talented athletes who can hit shots, defend and burn the floor on the break tied with a PG who is always looking to deal AND Cuz all still before their primes sounds like a foundation to build upon to me.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Shumpert to the Kings is more likely to happen than Asik to the Kings.

 

[randymoss1881]

Shumpart had knee surgery his value took a hit

 

[randymoss1881]

Shumpart had knee surgery his value took a hit

This offseason not the acl one

 

[VF21]

Would you take Amare's deal for Salmons' expiring, MT, Ppat, and Jimmer?
The Knicks get "flexibiliy," the Kings get rid of some clutter and add length.

GV/IT
Iman/Ben
Luc/Outlaw
JT/Amare
Cuz/Hayes

If Amare is still on the every other game thing, there will be a lot of small ball, but it's not like that wasn't already happening.
Iman and Ben are both too talented to see them stuck in a platoon for much longer, but for the next 2 years, that would be a dynamic young duo.

No.

 

[VF21]

From Yahoo:

The New York Knicks, long rumored to be shopping guard Iman Shumpert, are offering him to the Boston Celtics in a bid for injured point guard Rajon Rondo, multiple media outlets reported Sunday. Multiple reports also surfaced Sunday that Shumpert underwent a previously unrevealed left knee surgery last summer. Shumpert had an operation on the same knee in the spring of 2012, causing him to miss the start of the 2012-13 season. Shumpert, 23, did not miss any action this season.