Kings - Hawks deal:

[Smills91]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/59833/20090615/hawks_looking_to_trade_josh_smith/

With the Hawks looking to move Smith for some cap flexibility...MAYBE...

Kings offer:
Andres Nocioni, #4 overall, TPE created by Speedy being absorbed by our cap space(this part to be executed later).

Hawks offer:
Josh Smith, Speedy, #19 and 3 million cash(To help offset the 6 million trade kicker that JSmoove has.

Kings select, Earl Clark #19, Eric Maynor #23 and Omar Casspi #31

New roster:

C: Spencer Hawes, Ike Diogu(Re-signed)
PF: Jason Thompson, Earl Clark, Kenny Thomas
SF: Josh Smith, Donte Greene
SG: Kevin Martin, Francisco Garcia, Rashad McCants
PG: Beno Udrih, Eric MAynor, Speedy Claxton

Maybe pick up a cheap-o 5 like Francisco Elson on a vet min contract to fill out the roster.

Probably be in the lottery one more time next year, and we'll nab John Wall after we win the Lotto. HEY WE'RE DUE!

 

[Bricklayer]

Well generally I think Smith is an idiot, but at least you have him back at his true position (SF) where he can be sort of a Gerald Wallace figure. And if you can magically guarantee Wall next season I can probably hang on for one more year of Beno.

 

[Kings Faithful]

I love Josh Smith. Him and Dwight Howard are my favorite players outside of the Kings... I'd take the deal.

 

[fxhsurjono]

i dont think the hawks will go for this, they wanna shed salary so they probably wont want to take on nocioni's contract.

 

[JB_kings]

Count the Maloofs as cash poor. They wouldn't kick in for the kicker. They might be willing to break open a piggy bank for a "name in lights" kind of player... just not Josh Smith.

 

[Entity]

Well generally I think Smith is an idiot, but at least you have him back at his true position (SF) where he can be sort of a Gerald Wallace figure. And if you can magically guarantee Wall next season I can probably hang on for one more year of Beno.

This time last year it was all about holding out for Holiday over Beno. Well we got our chance to get him now.

Seriously Brick what do you think about Holiday. I mean Rubio aside which pg would you go after next.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Yay, a reasonable trade that could work for both sides. For us, I actually like this one if we are to go the potential John Wall plan (if we suck enough to get a top 3 pick next year) instead of the Rubio plan. Josh Smith is very young, super athletic and at his best can be a highly productive complementary player, and he fits well as a yang to KMart's scoring exploits (just tell Smith to stop shooting so many jumpers though). Also get rid of Nocioni's nuclear contract, and Claxton's contract will expire quickly. The 19th slot is actually not a bad place to draft--there will probably be a few lottery caliber talents that may have dropped down that far, and I suppose Earl Clark, Terrence Williams, Jeff Teague, James Johnson may all be there for the taking, and at #23 we'll just pick up any of those remnants who have dropped even further. Great stockpiling on youth sort of strategy here.

 

[Bricklayer]

This time last year it was all about holding out for Holiday over Beno. Well we got our chance to get him now.

Seriously Brick what do you think about Holiday. I mean Rubio aside which pg would you go after next.

I never paid any attention to Holiday last year, and he was terrible this season. If we take him...well I am just going to trust that Petrie has seen more than I have, and hope/assume that Holiday didn't just have a got shooting day the day he came in for his workout (I guess days since we had him in there twice).

The highlight vids of John Wall are something else entirely -- startling actually. You never get to see how a guy handles the play by play running of his team in those things, but the highlight packages are just off the charts.

 

[kupman]

And if you can magically guarantee Wall next season I can probably hang on for one more year of Beno.

You and the John Wall crush; are you old enough to remember how great Marcus Liberty was when he was 18 years-old? I think you are.

 

[Bricklayer]

You and the John Wall crush; are you old enough to remember how great Marcus Liberty was when he was 18 years-old? I think you are.

Marcus Liberty? Huh - that's pretty random. And no, that was circa 1988 or something, so I barely knew the name before college, and obviously there was no internet to see the clips etc.

I do however distinctly recall what nearly every top prospect in the last 5-8 years has looked like in high school, and Wall does things that you just don't see everyday. Or almost anyday from a PG. A 6'4" PG who is equally adept on either end of an alley oop? Who dominates on BOTH ends of the floor? Who blocks shots like he's Gerald Wallace? Who's big question when he goes in for a layup is do I dunk it with one hand or two? Who can dribble through a whole team by himself and who actually looks like he gets faster with the ball then without it? Nor is it like I've discovered some sleeper -- he's #1 in the 2010 mocks drafts at both draftexpress and nbadraft.net. The major star potential is just reekingly obvious. I've posted this at least twice before, but here this is again:

[yt=John Wall mix]v4CbQGBbUOw[/yt]

I don't even have a good comparison, and I've been watching the game for a long time. Maybe a PG version of Dwayne Wade with better handles? Maybe this is the way Gary Payton looked in high school, but Wall is slicker than Payton ever was with the ball in his hands. If you could 100% guarantee me that we would get John Wall out of next years draft if we just made trade X, or drafted player Y this year, then I would make trade X or draft player Y. And it might not work out, but when you see a unique talent of that level, you gotta roll the dice. It could turn the franchise.

 

[Smills91]

i dont think the hawks will go for this, they wanna shed salary so they probably wont want to take on nocioni's contract.

They shed 6 million in Claxton's salary alone and Nocioni has a shorter, DECLINING deal that saves millions each year thereafter. This deal DOES save them a butt load of cash to help them re-sign Marvin and Bibby.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I'd be pretty happy with that deal honestly. Josh goes back to his natural position and I wouldn't even have my feelings hurt if we didn't land Wall next year. If anything we could probably package two of our draft picks and move into the lottery and try to snag one of the remaining PG's but if not I wouldn't be dissapointed with Maynor

 

[Dreadnought]

I actually would only want to do this deal if we didn't get Rubio or Harden from the draft, but besides that, even as much of a Smith fan that I am, I wouldn't do the trade. Now, if it was the 23rd and 31st pick, I definitely wouldn't mind.

 

[KingsFanAZ]

I actually would only want to do this deal if we didn't get Rubio or Harden from the draft, but besides that, even as much of a Smith fan that I am, I wouldn't do the trade. Now, if it was the 23rd and 31st pick, I definitely wouldn't mind.

I'm with ya on this, and seeing Beno still in our line-up leaves an acidic taste in my mouth.

 

[jopatmc]

Would any of you do this trade?

Nocioni, Udrih, Kenny Thomas, and the #4 to Houston for McGrady, Kyle Lowry, a future first, and $3 million cash?

 

[Dreadnought]

Would any of you do this trade?

Nocioni, Udrih, Kenny Thomas, and the #4 to Houston for McGrady, Kyle Lowry, a future first, and $3 million cash?

I would definitely do this trade. Heck, if we include Francisco somehow and get Aaron Brooks back instead of Lowry, that'd be pretty cool.

 

[Nighthawk1]

Would any of you do this trade?

Nocioni, Udrih, Kenny Thomas, and the #4 to Houston for McGrady, Kyle Lowry, a future first, and $3 million cash?

Not in this lifetime. I'm not willing to blow our #4 and KT whose value is only increasing right now to money starved teams, a solid contributer who plays tough defense for an over the hill injury prone TMac, Lowry, and a future first.... I'm not willing to do a beno/noci dump that bad especially when Noci will be sought after again by some teams looking to make playoff pushes more than likely at trade deadline. I mean we really recieve nothing of value in this trade because I can't forsee the Rockets ever being bad enough where that future first turns into something decent!

 

[Entity]

Marcus Liberty? Huh - that's pretty random. And no, that was circa 1988 or something, so I barely knew the name before college, and obviously there was no internet to see the clips etc.

I do however distinctly recall what nearly every top prospect in the last 5-8 years has looked like in high school, and Wall does things that you just don't see everyday. Or almost anyday from a PG. A 6'4" PG who is equally adept on either end of an alley oop? Who dominates on BOTH ends of the floor? Who blocks shots like he's Gerald Wallace? Who's big question when he goes in for a layup is do I dunk it with one hand or two? Who can dribble through a whole team by himself and who actually looks like he gets faster with the ball then without it? Nor is it like I've discovered some sleeper -- he's #1 in the 2010 mocks drafts at both draftexpress and nbadraft.net. The major star potential is just reekingly obvious. I've posted this at least twice before, but here this is again:

[yt=John Wall mix]v4CbQGBbUOw[/yt]

I don't even have a good comparison, and I've been watching the game for a long time. Maybe a PG version of Dwayne Wade with better handles? Maybe this is the way Gary Payton looked in high school, but Wall is slicker than Payton ever was with the ball in his hands. If you could 100% guarantee me that we would get John Wall out of next years draft if we just made trade X, or drafted player Y this year, then I would make trade X or draft player Y. And it might not work out, but when you see a unique talent of that level, you gotta roll the dice. It could turn the franchise.

Well he can dunk. And the video editor did a good job of replaying the same 3 blocks almost 4 times each. The 4 passes were good and the 1 jumper was money it was almost a whole 2 feet out of the paint. I believe we all have see the works of a good highlight editor. If he is 6'4 then in that highlight he never played against anybody over 6'7.

Already has a record. Was arrested for breaking and entering a home last month.

 

[bajaden]

Here's an excerpt from draftexpress.

-Atlanta is reportedly looking to package the #19 pick along with Speedy Claxton’s contract, in order to clear additional cap room, likely to resign Mike Bibby. 80% of Claxton’s contract (5.2 million) will be picked up by an insurance company, making this a relatively cheap investment for a team with cap room looking to acquire another pick.


Rather than make a complicated trade, why not just aquire the 19th pick in the draft along with Claxton. He'd be gone after next season and the cost in real dollars would be minimal. The downside of course would be the loss of cap space for one year.

 

[Smills91]

Here's an excerpt from draftexpress.

-Atlanta is reportedly looking to package the #19 pick along with Speedy Claxton’s contract, in order to clear additional cap room, likely to resign Mike Bibby. 80% of Claxton’s contract (5.2 million) will be picked up by an insurance company, making this a relatively cheap investment for a team with cap room looking to acquire another pick.


Rather than make a complicated trade, why not just aquire the 19th pick in the draft along with Claxton. He'd be gone after next season and the cost in real dollars would be minimal. The downside of course would be the loss of cap space for one year.

I'd be game for that!

 

[asakkings]

Best idea I have seen all year. We can get mullens/Teague with that it pick so it would be totally worth it.

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

I don't know about Mullens didn't we just get rid of an unathletic big in Miller? Teague hell yes, but I'm glad to hear the Kings will be active in this draft. We have some assets to pick up some picks and how you improve your team quickly and cheap is through the draft. I like this if we make a lot of moves then the dooms day thinking around here and other Kings sites can go away and optimism can start to set back in, because I think we're going to be a team to reckon with.

 

[NME]

I don't know about Mullens didn't we just get rid of an unathletic big in Miller?

Mullens IS athletic.

 

[TTown Kings]

Mullens IS athletic.

incredibly athletic for a true 7 footer

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

Okay maybe I was wrong

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Here's an excerpt from draftexpress.

-Atlanta is reportedly looking to package the #19 pick along with Speedy Claxton’s contract, in order to clear additional cap room, likely to resign Mike Bibby. 80% of Claxton’s contract (5.2 million) will be picked up by an insurance company, making this a relatively cheap investment for a team with cap room looking to acquire another pick.


Rather than make a complicated trade, why not just aquire the 19th pick in the draft along with Claxton. He'd be gone after next season and the cost in real dollars would be minimal. The downside of course would be the loss of cap space for one year.

Let's go on the assumption that Atlanta is willing to trade #19 to dump Claxton's contract (and get one of those minimal "right to swap 2010 2nd round picks" in return). Basically they would be asking for nothing in return.

Let's also assume that Petrie is willing to sacrifice that cap space since we aren't going to be signing any major free agents this year anyway, and has a target in mind for the #19.

There might be several teams that are willing and able to do this trade. But I can't imagine Atlanta wouldn't move us to the front of the line. Quid pro quo for the Mike Bibby trade, as it were. I'm game, if it's actually on the table.

 

[kupman]

Marcus Liberty? Huh - that's pretty random. And no, that was circa 1988 or something, so I barely knew the name before college, and obviously there was no internet to see the clips etc.

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Not really random. Just an example of how hard it is to identify the next great thing when a guy is only 18 years of age.

In 1987-88 Marcus Liberty was clearly "the man." He was the #1 b-ball in all the land according to SI and USA today. He had achieved rock star status in the Chicago area by the time he was 17 and everyone in the country knew who this guy was and how great he was going to be. The U of I thought they landed the next greatest college b-ball player when he committed to them.

Then, it never really came together. His career just kind of fizzled. It shows that some players reach their full potential by the time they are 18 years-old.