[Game] Kings @ Bucks 12/07/2022 5pm Pacific 8pm Eastern

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Fox needs to play better if the Kings have any chances. I mean everybody need to step up but the Kings were more dominant when Fox impose his will. You have have Fox dribbling and pass the ball around...he's got to take advantage the opponent with his speed. He's got to knock down those wide open 3s. Kings play competitive for 3 quarters and then all of sudden they folded in the 4th....it's been like these against winning teams. Against the Bucks, they're giving up too many 2nd chances, you can't win games like that. You spend all your energy defended them well and making them miss shots only for them to get 2nd chance shots. That's going to kill your effort. The boxing out and rebounding is terrible. Everybody collectedly need to come back and help with the rebound...forget about fastbreak. If your team is getting kill on the offensive board, there is no reason to fastbreak.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Any of the Fox critiques when he is clearly playing hurt, when in the past folks criticized him for not being able to go 82.

And any attempt to bring the 2018 draft back into this conversation.

And really just any dread after this game, if you really expected a win tonight I don't know what to tell ya.
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I don't think anyone has critiques him for not playing all 82. Seems like a strawman to me.
 
Bucks toyed with the Kings, allowed them to run in the 1h (the overs are easy money in the 1q and 1h) then clamped down and ran away in the 2h. Levels are real.
 
kb02 said:
Bucks toyed with the Kings, allowed them to run in the 1h (the overs are easy money in the 1q and 1h) then clamped down and ran away in the 2h. Levels are real.
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Alternatively one could say the kings Play Good ball, not great ball we're able to hang with the team that was playing good Ball but not great ball until the more experienced team did what really good teams do crank down the defense shutting the Kings down completely in the last few minutes of the game. Almost like they were an experienced playoff team or something
 
HndsmCelt said:
Alternatively one could say the kings Play Good ball, not great ball we're able to hang with the team that was playing good Ball but not great ball until the more experienced team did what really good teams do crank down the defense shutting the Kings down completely in the last few minutes of the game. Almost like they were an experienced playoff team or something
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They did to us what we've been doing to lower level teams this year.
 
Letsgokings13 said:
I don't think anyone has critiques him for not playing all 82. Seems like a strawman to me.
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There have been multiple critiques of this exact thing throughout the years on kingsfans.com. People have been mostly quiet this year as he started like he was shot out of a cannon.
 
Spike said:
They did to us what we've been doing to lower level teams this year.
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Exactly. I think at the moment, there are 5 teams playing elite ball (Read tier 1) Boston, Milwaukee, Suns, Griz and Pels in no particular order. For me the question is can the kings stay at that next level? The recent play has us beating teams like the Cavs, Clips and Brooklyn. and 2-3 road wins against the Cavs, Mavs, and or Philly should help test that out.
 
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Its a star driven league. Are star needs to bring it each game to win these top games. Fox can do it.

Look at the stars weve played. Even with bad games there presance is felt. Not saying they win all the games case in point the bulls game.

But fox too often looks likw a floater out there. Id say i noticed monk out there more than fox if it wasnt for foxes elite iso ball. He doesnt have to score every time but he must drive and kick and create pressure like nobody else on this team can.

Sobonis is our best player right now. Id lose fox for a few games over the big dawg
 
Rob-The-Great said:
Its a star driven league. Are star needs to bring it each game to win these top games. Fox can do it.

Look at the stars weve played. Even with bad games there presance is felt. Not saying they win all the games case in point the bulls game.

But fox too often looks likw a floater out there. Id say i noticed monk out there more than fox if it wasnt for foxes elite iso ball. He doesnt have to score every time but he must drive and kick and create pressure like nobody else on this team can.

Sobonis is our best player right now. Id lose fox for a few games over the big dawg
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Simply put, if Holiday scores 31 and Fox scores 15, the Kings chances of beating the Bucks are next to none
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I think he should be rested but he wants to play. Do I wish the Kings were a little more forthcoming with injury reports? Sure, but there are other teams that play games with them and list everyone as questionable too. If Fox is going to play and insists on it, he's not going to show up on the reports, and the team is not going to give additional information.
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Fox may want to play, but the playing time should probably be curtailed unless he can play with some vigor. Maybe that's why Brown has opted to start out the game playing him for about five to six and half minutes - to assess whether he's back to his old self.
 
Kingster said:
Fox may want to play, but the playing time should probably be curtailed unless he can play with some vigor. Maybe that's why Brown has opted to start out the game playing him for about five to six and half minutes - to assess whether he's back to his old self.
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I believe Brown is on record as saying that he wants to play as much as possible of the game with either Fox or Sabonis on the floor. This means that he has to stagger the rotation rather than do a hockey line change. Why he chooses to sit Fox first and Domas second, I don't know, but I doubt it has to do with assessing Fox.
 
captain bill said:
Fox listed as questionable for the Cavs game which is a positive development.
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He came out and disclosed his injury so that's probably why.

I don't think it was anyone's business but I am not against him getting rest and not compensating for his foot and hurting something else.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I believe Brown is on record as saying that he wants to play as much as possible of the game with either Fox or Sabonis on the floor. This means that he has to stagger the rotation rather than do a hockey line change. Why he chooses to sit Fox first and Domas second, I don't know, but I doubt it has to do with assessing Fox.
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Yeah, in retrospect, after reviewing his minutes/game, Brown is playing him fairly consistent minutes regardless of his performance. So yes, it does appear that the short burst of minutes at the beginning of the game has nothing to do with assessing Fox and how many minutes he should play. I'm starting to wonder, though, if it *should* be used to assess how many minutes he's given for the rest of the game. What other player gets his minutes if his performance drops off by an appreciable amount?

I looked at Fox's game stats over several games. What pops out is a very sharp demarcation in FG% between the Memphis game and the Atlanta game. Prior to Atlanta, his FG% in the seven prior games was .429, .684, .526, .417, .733, .611, .524. (There are very similar numbers extending to the beginning of the season). Then he drops off the cliff in Atlanta and the following six games: .350, .353, .333, .636, .417, .357, .313. The .636 game was against the Pacers and is obviously an aberration during this stretch of games. If Fox is suffering from some physical ailment it's a mystery how he managed to pull out the .636 game against the Pacers in a sea of putrid numbers before and after. It's a strange one, Mr. Grinch.
 
Kingster said:
Yeah, in retrospect, after reviewing his minutes/game, Brown is playing him fairly consistent minutes regardless of his performance. So yes, it does appear that the short burst of minutes at the beginning of the game has nothing to do with assessing Fox and how many minutes he should play. I'm starting to wonder, though, if it *should* be used to assess how many minutes he's given for the rest of the game. What other player gets his minutes if his performance drops off by an appreciable amount?

I looked at Fox's game stats over several games. What pops out is a very sharp demarcation in FG% between the Memphis game and the Atlanta game. Prior to Atlanta, his FG% in the seven prior games was .429, .684, .526, .417, .733, .611, .524. (There are very similar numbers extending to the beginning of the season). Then he drops off the cliff in Atlanta and the following six games: .350, .353, .333, .636, .417, .357, .313. The .636 game was against the Pacers and is obviously an aberration during this stretch of games. If Fox is suffering from some physical ailment it's a mystery how he managed to pull out the .636 game against the Pacers in a sea of putrid numbers before and after. It's a strange one, Mr. Grinch.
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He got extra pumped and competitive for that Pacers game and it carried him through the injury. Adrenaline can do that. Gotta figure out a way to harness that more often. First thing though is to make sure he's healthy for a second half of the season run
 
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