[Game] Kings at Pelicans, Monday April 12th, 6 PM Pacific (9 PM Eastern)
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Bingo. Team looked like it was rolling and we added real bench depth for what amounts to nothing in terms of value. You also snagged a free option to look at Davis and essentially signed Delon Wright for 1yr/6.5 million after you factor in the CoJo dead money. Us especially, are never getting a quality player for that tag.
I think Wright gives you the flexibility to shop Buddy freely and not exactly worry what the return is. Fox/Hali/Wright is more than capable of being a playoff-caliber back-court.
given.....
Sac sits 3 games back from New Orleans now with the Pels having the tie. The sit 4 games back from Golden State and 5 back from San Antonio.
assuming either one of New Orleans or Golden State goes .500, the Kings would have to go 14-4 to make the 10th seed play in game.
if Monte isn’t playing an active role in the strategy and dictating who plays then it is just further evidence of his control and handle on the team.
Sac sits 3 games back from New Orleans now with the Pels having the tie. The sit 4 games back from Golden State and 5 back from San Antonio.
assuming either one of New Orleans or Golden State goes .500, the Kings would have to go 14-4 to make the 10th seed play in game.
if Monte isn’t playing an active role in the strategy and dictating who plays then it is just further evidence of his control and handle on the team.
yeah you said the same thing about Vlade when I criticized him 3 years in.
I recall me questioning Vlade’s draft acumen after the:
2015: WCS
2016: Pappa G, Malachi, Skal
2017: Fox, Justin Jackson, Harry Giles
And I recall you saying the same kind of stuff you are saying now. Nice track record you’ve got going.
I recall me questioning Vlade’s draft acumen after the:
2015: WCS
2016: Pappa G, Malachi, Skal
2017: Fox, Justin Jackson, Harry Giles
And I recall you saying the same kind of stuff you are saying now. Nice track record you’ve got going.
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Disagree. How a GM operates on the margins with very little to work with defines how "good" of a GM they are. Sean Marks comes to mind with "small marginal trades" in his first few years and then he was able to turn all that work into Harden
-Didn't commit 18 mil to Bogi so we wouldn't be tied to 80+ million for a core that hasn't sniffed the playoffs.
Hali with 12
Wright (Quality NBA rotation player)- 2 bad 2n
Davis-Bought extremely low on all-rookie 2nd teamer. Assuming he has more information than we do with off-court issues.
Metu/Jones-Athletic, big wing-span project bigs
He's correctly identified that long/rangy/Athletic wings/bigs are what wins in the NBA and is taking as many shots as he can to find good ones. He hasn't had a ton of capital to really add but:
Hali
Harkless
Wright
Davis
Metu
Woodard
He gets it.
-Didn't commit 18 mil to Bogi so we wouldn't be tied to 80+ million for a core that hasn't sniffed the playoffs.
Hali with 12
Wright (Quality NBA rotation player)- 2 bad 2n
Davis-Bought extremely low on all-rookie 2nd teamer. Assuming he has more information than we do with off-court issues.
Metu/Jones-Athletic, big wing-span project bigs
He's correctly identified that long/rangy/Athletic wings/bigs are what wins in the NBA and is taking as many shots as he can to find good ones. He hasn't had a ton of capital to really add but:
Hali
Harkless
Wright
Davis
Metu
Woodard
He gets it.
Which while not a guaranteed long term fix it has gotten many teams up from the bottom as a quick shock in time to make a run when that's the goal historically. As we're seeing right now with the Hawks. And that's definitely on Monte now. I mean, three skids like this one in one season alone isn't enough here? Lol. Even getting rid of Cojo wasn't enough to correct this thing. Sitting and spinning isn't good enough guys.
The team doesn't have the roster space to draft a bunch of players in the second round and see who pans out though. If we're talking first round picks, I would agree with you. The odds of making the playoffs this year were too low to risk giving up a significant asset. I just don't consider second round picks to be anything more than monopoly money. Sure you occasionally find a player who can help you there but it's the exception not the rule.
For example, the two best players Geoff Petrie drafted in the second round (IT and Whiteside) both ended up playing their best minutes for other teams. Most of these guys get cut, play in the G League or overseas, and if they do find their way back to the NBA it probably won't be on the team that drafted them. Monte picked up Metu off the scrap heap before this season started and he's given us some good production. Shouldn't that count the same as nailing a second round pick?
For example, the two best players Geoff Petrie drafted in the second round (IT and Whiteside) both ended up playing their best minutes for other teams. Most of these guys get cut, play in the G League or overseas, and if they do find their way back to the NBA it probably won't be on the team that drafted them. Monte picked up Metu off the scrap heap before this season started and he's given us some good production. Shouldn't that count the same as nailing a second round pick?
Not sure how people can compare the Hawks and the Kings talent wise. Granted the difference in talent is on Vlade but it is significant.
Even if you assume Trae/Bogi is slightly worse then Fox/Buddy (Must at real GM would call it better) the difference in the front court is significant.
Capella (15.3) versus Holmes (14.1)
Collins (18.2) versus Bagley (13.9)
Hunter (16.0) versus Barnes (15.5)
Not to mention Gallo (13.4) or Reddish (11.2) versus
Metu and Bjelicia.
Our front court players with maybe Barnes being an exception would struggle to get minutes in their rotation barring injury.
Even if you assume Trae/Bogi is slightly worse then Fox/Buddy (Must at real GM would call it better) the difference in the front court is significant.
Capella (15.3) versus Holmes (14.1)
Collins (18.2) versus Bagley (13.9)
Hunter (16.0) versus Barnes (15.5)
Not to mention Gallo (13.4) or Reddish (11.2) versus
Metu and Bjelicia.
Our front court players with maybe Barnes being an exception would struggle to get minutes in their rotation barring injury.
Yeah but you can't draft 6 guys in the second round. We already have to give a roster spot to this year's first round pick. At most you get to keep two additional second round guys, probably only one, and you have to make that decision in pre-season before they've played a single NBA game. Once you cut them any team can sign them. I reckon if you're good at talent evaluation you can do just as well (if not better) waiting to see how everyone plays in pre-season or the G-League and then scooping up talent that shakes loose on minimum contracts.
I suppose we could go full "Process" and fill the roster with only second round picks. Vlade kinda tried that already with first round picks and he ended up cutting most of them or trading them for other young players other teams didn't want and then letting their contracts expire. This idea that you can just cast a wide net and improve your odds is an internet fallacy. In MLB, sure. In the NBA? With a 15 man roster limit? It's never worked that way.
I suppose we could go full "Process" and fill the roster with only second round picks. Vlade kinda tried that already with first round picks and he ended up cutting most of them or trading them for other young players other teams didn't want and then letting their contracts expire. This idea that you can just cast a wide net and improve your odds is an internet fallacy. In MLB, sure. In the NBA? With a 15 man roster limit? It's never worked that way.
lots of options
you draft a EUROPEAN and have them stay in Europe or have them go directly to the G League like Boston did with Nadar, or you fill the roster with young kids like OKC is doing and watch the cream rise. OKC with Dort being yet another example of finding rotation guys out of the first round.
you draft a EUROPEAN and have them stay in Europe or have them go directly to the G League like Boston did with Nadar, or you fill the roster with young kids like OKC is doing and watch the cream rise. OKC with Dort being yet another example of finding rotation guys out of the first round.
by the way.... don’t know if you saw the Athletic interview with Hali. He’s probably the main reason I’m still here. I love that kids mentality, attitude, and approach. I like it more than I dislike Buddy’s, so it keeps me tuned in rooting for him.
at this point, I’m probably rooting for players whom I like more than the team at this point. Hali, and Richaun in particular. I must have a thing for push shots. lol
at this point, I’m probably rooting for players whom I like more than the team at this point. Hali, and Richaun in particular. I must have a thing for push shots. lol